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Hmm you have 6 D signed, I think we need two more. Even this year where we were very lucky with injuries we used at least 8 (I think 9?). I personally would probably feel comfortable with one more, and then rely on Abby after that. We would need another forward or two as well, but we might have more luck getting that from Abby. The players you resigned though are the same I want to keep lol. I am ok with trading Hronek for the right price, and letting Joshua go if he wants too much. 

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2 minutes ago, Pianoman said:

Hmm you have 6 D signed, I think we need two more. Even this year where we were very lucky with injuries we used at least 8 (I think 9?). We would need another forward or two as well. It might be a bit tight. The players you resigned though are the same I want to keep lol. I am ok with trading Hronek for the right price, and letting Joshua go if he wants too much. 

Yeah, that's why I mention ideally it's rookies/prospects filling out the roster.  We can move them up and down between Vancouver and Abby as needed.  Kinda what we did throughout this year too with Bains, Karlsson, Friedman, etc. 

 

Figure we carry a 22 man roster and if/when needed for a 23rd, we just recall someone from Abby.

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2 minutes ago, HKSR said:

Yeah, that's why I mention ideally it's rookies/prospects filling out the roster.  We can move them up and down between Vancouver and Abby as needed.  Kinda what we did throughout this year too with Bains, Karlsson, Friedman, etc. 

 

Figure we carry a 22 man roster and if/when needed for a 23rd, we just recall someone from Abby.

Yeah that makes sense. I do like the look of it, just a bit worried about D depth. Trading mikeheyev will be tricky I think, and I have no idea what a buyout would look like. I wonder who gets sacrificed if we keep him. 

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1 minute ago, Pianoman said:

Yeah that makes sense. I do like the look of it, just a bit worried about D depth. Trading mikeheyev will be tricky I think, and I have no idea what a buyout would look like. I wonder who gets sacrificed if we keep him. 

I rather us pay a hefty price to unload Mikheyev than lose any of those key guys that we need to re-sign.  We can clearly see Mikheyev out of our lineup doesn't make any difference at all.

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17 minutes ago, Pianoman said:

Yeah that makes sense. I do like the look of it, just a bit worried about D depth. Trading mikeheyev will be tricky I think, and I have no idea what a buyout would look like. I wonder who gets sacrificed if we keep him. 

A Mik buyout over 4 yrs is around 1.2 mill per year so a savings of around 3.5. Mill per year for the 2 yrs 

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 I wouldn't want to bring Myers back, rather they go after Tanev, DeMelo, Dillon, Hakanpaa... Or try to trade with Seattle for Larsson Also I think those numbers are a bit much for all of them, though for Z I wouldn't be too disappointed at that amount 

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Myers played himself into a short term extension. He's been quietly one of our best D this playoffs but I wouldn't pay him more than 3.5M and not longer than 2 years.

 

Keeping Lindholm would be a boon to us.  I just don't see him settling for under 8M

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7 minutes ago, DSVII said:

Keeping Lindholm would be a boon to us.  I just don't see him settling for under 8M

Not much we can do if some team calls him and offers $8M+... would probably backfire for that team though.  Gotta remember that he had 44 point regular season this year, and a 64point season the year before.  It's not screaming $8M+ to me, even with his playoff performance.  The other thing is I really hope we squeeze into the next round.  If we do, I think there's plenty of reason why Lindholm would want to stay where this team could be on the brink of a Cup win in the near future.

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Definitely significant gaps in F with this proposal with Blueger, Mikeheyev, and Lafferty all gone. Also Juulsen as a 6D is maybe okay, but not ideal for a high end team. Not sure who our 7D would be, but that has to be added to your proposal too.

 

This probably retains our high end, but loses quite a bit of depth, but it's a route to consider.

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12 minutes ago, -AJ- said:

Definitely significant gaps in F with this proposal with Blueger, Mikeheyev, and Lafferty all gone. Also Juulsen as a 6D is maybe okay, but not ideal for a high end team. Not sure who our 7D would be, but that has to be added to your proposal too.

 

This probably retains our high end, but loses quite a bit of depth, but it's a route to consider.

The loss would be Blueger.... Mikheyev and Lafferty are nothing to write home about.  In fact, I'd say given what we saw last night, we are better off without Mikheyev.

Juulsen with Soucy is a lot different than Juulsen with Cole.  Experience will help as well.

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The loss would be Blueger.... Mikheyev and Lafferty are nothing to write home about.  In fact, I'd say given what we saw last night, we are better off without Mikheyev.

Juulsen with Soucy is a lot different than Juulsen with Cole.  Experience will help as well.

 

Ehh...that's a lot to say off one playoff game. Mikheyev has been invisible for half the season and so has Lafferty, but both, especially Lafferty, were big parts of our success early on in the season. It's a question of if they have any of that left in them and if so, could we handle being without that.

 

I still think it's probably the case that we want 7 D. You can maybe get a 7D for league minimum that fits in your plan, though it leaves no wiggle room. This also assumes we actually trade Mikheyev and don't have to pay to lose him (either via buyout or giving up assets to move him).

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2 hours ago, HKSR said:

With the regular season complete, and 2 playoff rounds nearly done, I think there's enough data to determine values on the guys we have.

 

So I have the following numbers (based on comparables):

 

Joshua - $3.8M (between Faksa and Foligno)

Zadorov - $5.75M (Gavrikov)

Hronek - $7.25M (less than Hanifin)

Silovs - $2M (DeSmith)

Lindholm - Up to $7.5M based on regular season and playoff performance, as well as UFA market demands.

Myers - $3M (the Ian Cole 1 year deal)

 

Notice this includes hefty raises for Boeser and Hoglander in a couple years too.

 

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We still need another F and D for each of the next couple years, but the hope is some of these guys will take a small discount and 1 or 2 of our prospects make the big club out of camp (Bains, McWard, Raty, Hirose, etc).  If they do, we can ice a potent roster next year again and give this team another crack at a deep playoff run.

 

2024-25 (basically the team we have now... which we know is a very strong group)

 

Podkolzin-Miller-Boeser

Hoglander-Lindholm-Petey

Joshua-Suter-Garland

PDG-Aman-Karlsson

 

Hughes-Hronek

Zadorov-Myers

Soucy-Juulsen

 

 

2026-27

 

Lekkerimaki-Miller-Boeser

Hoglander-Lindholm-Petey

Joshua-Raty-Garland

Podkolzin-Aman-Karlsson

 

Hughes-Hronek

Zadorov-Willander (talk about protecting the rookie!)

Soucy-Juulsen

 

TLDR:  Even paying top dollar to our free agents, trading Mikheyev will allow us to nearly keep this entire group together.  We would lose:  Blueger, Lafferty, and Cole.  We retain all of:  Joshua, Lindholm, Hronek, Zadorov, Myers, Silovs.

I like it, and completely agree- its going to be about finding rookies that can give us multi million dollar performances on their ELCs

 

i do think we should consider letting Joshua go. He strikes me as the kind of player that we can replace and develop. 

 

I cant imagine letting Lindholm go. 

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7 minutes ago, -AJ- said:

 

Ehh...that's a lot to say off one playoff game. Mikheyev has been invisible for half the season and so has Lafferty, but both, especially Lafferty, were big parts of our success early on in the season. It's a question of if they have any of that left in them and if so, could we handle being without that.

 

I still think it's probably the case that we want 7 D. You can maybe get a 7D for league minimum that fits in your plan, though it leaves no wiggle room. This also assumes we actually trade Mikheyev and don't have to pay to lose him (either via buyout or giving up assets to move him).

That's cuz Lafferty was playing in our top 6 early in the season haha. 

 

I'd give up assets to move Mikheyev if it meant we can keep Lindholm.  Rather that than try to fill the void of a RH centreman with those kinds of defensive qualities.

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That's cuz Lafferty was playing in our top 6 early in the season haha. 

 

I'd give up assets to move Mikheyev if it meant we can keep Lindholm.  Rather that than try to fill the void of a RH centreman with those kinds of defensive qualities.

 

What assets do you think would be required to move Mikheyev?

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23 minutes ago, -AJ- said:

 

What assets do you think would be required to move Mikheyev?

A 2nd round or 3rd round pick.  Maybe a B tier prospect.

 

At this worst, Mik is about a 30 point guy.  At his best he's a 45 to 50 point guy.  So it's the value of 15 to 20 points that we're trying to bridge. 

 

In money terms, he's playing like a $3M player except he's being paid $4.75M.  He's $1.75M overpaid when he's at his worst.

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Bleuger is also very underrated, I would like to keep him if possible, he plays a good role on the PK and can center the Joshua/Garland line. But yeah not all possible.

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So, just to through something into this discussion.

 

IMO, I would love to see Hronek moved for a right handed Zadorov

 

then Zadorov and Willander as the second pairing

 

then 2 big assed 5 and 6 dmen to round out the 3rd pairing

 

As we are seeing in these playoffs....size matters!

 

 

 

 

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If we think we can sign Tanev, then I would 100% trade Hronek to save cap and yield some assets...

 

Trade 1:

To NSH (who are looking for a top pairing RD): Hronek

To VAN: Fabbro + 2024 2nd round pick (TBL) + 2024 3rd round pick (DAL)

 

Trade 2:

To ANA: Mikheyev + 2024 2nd round pick (TBL)

To VAN: Future considerations

 

Off Season Signings (new additions in bold)

Tanev $4.5m x 2

Zadorov $4.5m x 6

Myers $4m x 2

Lindholm $7m x 7

Joshua $3.75m x 5

Blueger $2.5m x 3

Sam Carrick $1.1m x 2

Silovs $1.1m x 2

Friedman $775k x 2

 

Lineup:

Suter Miller Boeser

Pettersson Lindholm Hoglander

Joshua Blueger Garland

DiGiuseppe Carrick Podkolzin

(Aman)

 

Hughes Tanev

Soucy Myers

Zadorov Fabbro

(Friedman Juulsen)

 

Demko (Silovs)

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On 5/17/2024 at 11:39 AM, HKSR said:

With the regular season complete, and 2 playoff rounds nearly done, I think there's enough data to determine values on the guys we have.

 

So I have the following numbers (based on comparables):

 

Joshua - $3.8M (between Faksa and Foligno)

Zadorov - $5.75M (Gavrikov)

Hronek - $7.25M (less than Hanifin)

Silovs - $2M (DeSmith)

Lindholm - Up to $7.5M based on regular season and playoff performance, as well as UFA market demands.

Myers - $3M (the Ian Cole 1 year deal)

 

Notice this includes hefty raises for Boeser and Hoglander in a couple years too.

 

image.thumb.png.b5036c919e950296c667a700f4ac339b.png

 

We still need another F and D for each of the next couple years, but the hope is some of these guys will take a small discount and 1 or 2 of our prospects make the big club out of camp (Bains, McWard, Raty, Hirose, etc).  If they do, we can ice a potent roster next year again and give this team another crack at a deep playoff run.

 

2024-25 (basically the team we have now... which we know is a very strong group)

 

Podkolzin-Miller-Boeser

Hoglander-Lindholm-Petey

Joshua-Suter-Garland

PDG-Aman-Karlsson

 

Hughes-Hronek

Zadorov-Myers

Soucy-Juulsen

 

 

2026-27

 

Lekkerimaki-Miller-Boeser

Hoglander-Lindholm-Petey

Joshua-Raty-Garland

Podkolzin-Aman-Karlsson

 

Hughes-Hronek

Zadorov-Willander (talk about protecting the rookie!)

Soucy-Juulsen

 

TLDR:  Even paying top dollar to our free agents, trading Mikheyev will allow us to nearly keep this entire group together.  We would lose:  Blueger, Lafferty, and Cole.  We retain all of:  Joshua, Lindholm, Hronek, Zadorov, Myers, Silovs.


good work on this, thanks 

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Yep I agree with all of these, Myers might ask for 4M on the open market but hopefully takes a little discount to stay. Otherwise I wonder if we can target Tanev for that price? Either way a veteran shutdown PK specialist around 3M would be nice to play 19 minutes or so.

 

I'd hope we can get Lindholm for an even 7M and Zadorov surely for 5.5M but I think you're bang on about the rest.

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