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Pacific Notes: Marchessault, Smith, Oilers

 

May 28th, 2024 at 4:30pm CST • By Brennan McClain

 

Heading into the offseason, the Vegas Golden Knights have just shy of $900K in cap space with notable players such as Jonathan Marchessault and Chandler Stephenson headed for unrestricted free agency in just over four weeks.
 

Unfortunately for Vegas, even if the organization were to free up cap space on the trade market, they would likely be unable to open up enough flexibility to keep both players.

 

Between the two, Stephenson is not expected to sign for as rich of a contract as Marchessault on the open market, which could entice the Golden Knights to pursue his services instead. Keeping that in mind, Mark Anderson of the Associated Press reported today that Marchessault has still not been approached by Vegas’ front office about a contract extension.

 

It may be a tough pill for both player and team as Marchessault recently completed the highest goal-scoring season of his career. As one of the original ‘misfits’ still on the Golden Knights, Marchessault has been adamant about finishing his career in Nevada. However, due to the financial constraints the team imposed upon itself at this past year’s trade deadline, Marchessault is expected to be wearing another team’s jersey by the start of next season.

 

https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2024/05/pacific-notes-marchessault-smith-oilers.html#ref=home

 

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Begs the question who else from their roster may be available?

Perhaps Whitecloud? Roy?

I imagine if they really tried to keep Marchessault they’d let Martinez, Stephenson and Carrier go to UFA?

 

You can bet someone will have an injury or surgery in offseason/camp that they will LTIR to start the season

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1 minute ago, Baratheon said:

What am I missing here?
 

Is Mark Stone not expected to be injured during the preseason? 

Stone amongst others.

They knew what they were doing in bringing in Meier. Always a workaround for Gary’s pet project 

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6 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Yet there are rumours that Vegas is looking in to the availability of Marner ffs

 

This club and their obvious gamesmanship is insane

It is truly some fantastic GMing. They go after the biggest player every year and get them. Somehow they squeeze them in. No sentimentality. 
They play the system they are in and have done an amazing job of it. I don’t like a lot of their players or their team but 5 years they have a cup, 50 we don’t, I will bend any rule almost to breaking for a cup.

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Well, I 'spose we could take Roy and Barbs off their hands.  That would save them 8m if we

gave them a 1st and Pods.  Maybe add a 2nd...we could probably send a long a prospect too.

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go all in

TRADE 1

 

 

TO VAN

Ivan Barbashev (5) x 4 yrs 

Nic Roy (3) x 3 yrs 

 

 

TO VGK

Hoglander  (1.1)

Podkolzin (1.0)

Hirose 

 

CAP CHANGE +5.9

 

 

TRADE 2 

Milky + Klimovich and Woo to CHI for a 6th

-4.75

 

TRADE 3

Hronek for Necas and CAR 2nd 2024 

 

 

 CAP = 23.7+ 4.75 -5.9

= 22.55

 

Tanev 4.25 x 3 (lol)

Myers 2.75 x 3 yrs 

dillon 3x3

Silovs 1.0 

Joshua 3.5 x 6

Necas 6.75

 

= 21.25

 

CAP SPACE = 1.3

 

 

 

Barbashev Petey Necas

Suter Miller Brock

Joshua Roy Garland

PDG Aman Bains

 

Hughes Tanev

Soucy Myers 

Dillon Juulsen 

 

 

Demko

Silovs

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, canucks curse said:

go all in

TRADE 1

 

 

TO VAN

Ivan Barbashev (5) x 4 yrs 

Nic Roy (3) x 3 yrs 

 

 

TO VGK

Hoglander  (1.1)

Podkolzin (1.0)

Hirose 

 

CAP CHANGE +5.9

 

 

TRADE 2 

Milky + Klimovich and Woo to CHI for a 6th

-4.75

 

TRADE 3

Hronek for Necas and CAR 2nd 2024 

 

 

 CAP = 23.7+ 4.75 -5.9

= 22.55

 

Tanev 4.25 x 3 (lol)

Myers 2.75 x 3 yrs 

dillon 3x3

Silovs 1.0 

Joshua 3.5 x 6

Necas 6.75

 

= 21.25

 

CAP SPACE = 1.3

 

 

 

Barbashev Petey Necas

Suter Miller Brock

Joshua Roy Garland

PDG Aman Bains

 

Hughes Tanev

Soucy Myers 

Dillon Juulsen 

 

 

Demko

Silovs

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

VGK will get way better offers for their players elsewhere. Dillon won’t get less than 4, Necas about 7-7.5. Would love to see something like this happen though I would hate to see some players go 

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Latest On The Golden Knights’ Pending UFAs

 

May 30th, 2024 at 8:58am CST • By Josh Erickson

 

The Golden Knights won’t be able to re-sign most of their pending unrestricted free agents with a looming salary cap crunch, and they’ve already gone through the process of elimination on who to prioritize. The team has informed forwards Michael Amadio, William Carrierand Anthony Mantha that they won’t be offered extensions before July 1, David Pagnotta of The Fourth Period reported yesterday. All three will hit the UFA market.

 

Amadio is a tough loss after being arguably their most cost-effective depth scorer over the past three seasons. After being claimed off waivers from the Maple Leafs early in the 2021-22 campaign, he enjoyed the best run of his career in Sin City. The 28-year-old has played nearly 200 regular-season games in a Vegas uniform, posting 41 goals and 72 points in less than 13 minutes of ice time per game. He’s also been quite the playoff performer, posting 10 points in 16 games en route to their Stanley Cup win in 2023 and logging a goal and an assist in their first-round elimination against the Stars this year. Amadio has made the league minimum salary each season, but he could likely land close to $3MM annually this summer.

 

Carrier, 29, is an original Golden Knight. Selected from the Sabres in the 2017 expansion draft, the Québec native has been a serviceable fourth-line winger, and his 372 appearances rank sixth in franchise history. He struggled with injuries this season, limited to eight points in 39 games, but had a career-high 16 goals in 56 games the year before. Carrier has shining career possession numbers at even strength – a 53.6 CF% and a 55.9 xGF% – making him one of the better two-way options in the entire league for his role.

 

He likely won’t land much of an increase, if any, on his expiring $1.4MM cap hit. Still, Vegas general manager Kelly McCrimmon needs every inch of flexibility possible to keep Jonathan Marchessault and Chandler Stephenson from heading to market.

 

Giving up a pair of draft picks for Mantha at the trade deadline may have been a rare ill-advised move from McCrimmon. The 29-year-old winger seemed to fit nicely into their top nine down the stretch in the regular season, posting three goals and 10 points in 18 games. However, he fell out of the lineup once Tomáš Hertl and Mark Stone were ready to return from their injuries and only played in three of their seven playoff games against Dallas without recording a point. He’d been making an average of $5.7MM annually for the past four years on a deal signed by Red Wings GM Steve Yzerman in the 2020 offseason, and while he won’t earn that much again on his next deal, he might get close after his first 20-goal season since the COVID-19 pandemic.

 

The Golden Knights are also unlikely to re-sign veteran defenseman Alec Martinez, who likely wouldn’t have been in their opening night lineup next season after Noah Hanifin‘s acquisition. But they haven’t informed him of anything like the others, Pagnotta said, and it’s unclear if he’ll test the market in July. After winning the Cup with Vegas last year and twice with the Kings in the early 2010s, the 36-year-old is “evaluating his options” as the end of his career draws closer.

 

And while Marchessault is the higher-priority extension target, McCrimmon hasn’t closed the door on a Stephenson re-signing. Pagnotta reports he’ll speak to Stephenson’s camp in the next two weeks to gauge his price. Still, if he heads to market, he’ll have plenty of suitors as the second-best center potentially available after Elias Lindholm. As such, his market value could very well eclipse a $6MM AAV – a prohibitively expensive figure for Vegas unless significant cap-cutting trades are made.

 

https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2024/05/latest-on-the-golden-knights-pending-ufas.html#ref=home

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On 5/28/2024 at 5:03 PM, DrJockitch said:

It is truly some fantastic GMing. They go after the biggest player every year and get them. Somehow they squeeze them in. No sentimentality. 
They play the system they are in and have done an amazing job of it. I don’t like a lot of their players or their team but 5 years they have a cup, 50 we don’t, I will bend any rule almost to breaking for a cup.

We tried that... we paid for it with a recapture penalty for years...

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19 minutes ago, RWJC said:

Michael Amadio, William Carrierand Anthony Mantha that they won’t be offered extensions before July 1, David Pagnotta of The Fourth Period reported yesterday. All three will hit the UFA market.

Mantha-was a $5.7 mill guy last year

Amadila-              .762,500

Carrier                1.4 mill

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1 minute ago, HKSR said:

We tried that... we paid for it with a recapture penalty for years...

If only the league had warned us that would happen if we did what we did, oh yeah, they did and we chose to do it anyway. 

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26 minutes ago, RWJC said:

Latest On The Golden Knights’ Pending UFAs

 

May 30th, 2024 at 8:58am CST • By Josh Erickson

 

The Golden Knights won’t be able to re-sign most of their pending unrestricted free agents with a looming salary cap crunch, and they’ve already gone through the process of elimination on who to prioritize. The team has informed forwards Michael Amadio, William Carrierand Anthony Mantha that they won’t be offered extensions before July 1, David Pagnotta of The Fourth Period reported yesterday. All three will hit the UFA market.

 

Amadio is a tough loss after being arguably their most cost-effective depth scorer over the past three seasons. After being claimed off waivers from the Maple Leafs early in the 2021-22 campaign, he enjoyed the best run of his career in Sin City. The 28-year-old has played nearly 200 regular-season games in a Vegas uniform, posting 41 goals and 72 points in less than 13 minutes of ice time per game. He’s also been quite the playoff performer, posting 10 points in 16 games en route to their Stanley Cup win in 2023 and logging a goal and an assist in their first-round elimination against the Stars this year. Amadio has made the league minimum salary each season, but he could likely land close to $3MM annually this summer.

 

Carrier, 29, is an original Golden Knight. Selected from the Sabres in the 2017 expansion draft, the Québec native has been a serviceable fourth-line winger, and his 372 appearances rank sixth in franchise history. He struggled with injuries this season, limited to eight points in 39 games, but had a career-high 16 goals in 56 games the year before. Carrier has shining career possession numbers at even strength – a 53.6 CF% and a 55.9 xGF% – making him one of the better two-way options in the entire league for his role.

 

He likely won’t land much of an increase, if any, on his expiring $1.4MM cap hit. Still, Vegas general manager Kelly McCrimmon needs every inch of flexibility possible to keep Jonathan Marchessault and Chandler Stephenson from heading to market.

 

Giving up a pair of draft picks for Mantha at the trade deadline may have been a rare ill-advised move from McCrimmon. The 29-year-old winger seemed to fit nicely into their top nine down the stretch in the regular season, posting three goals and 10 points in 18 games. However, he fell out of the lineup once Tomáš Hertl and Mark Stone were ready to return from their injuries and only played in three of their seven playoff games against Dallas without recording a point. He’d been making an average of $5.7MM annually for the past four years on a deal signed by Red Wings GM Steve Yzerman in the 2020 offseason, and while he won’t earn that much again on his next deal, he might get close after his first 20-goal season since the COVID-19 pandemic.

 

The Golden Knights are also unlikely to re-sign veteran defenseman Alec Martinez, who likely wouldn’t have been in their opening night lineup next season after Noah Hanifin‘s acquisition. But they haven’t informed him of anything like the others, Pagnotta said, and it’s unclear if he’ll test the market in July. After winning the Cup with Vegas last year and twice with the Kings in the early 2010s, the 36-year-old is “evaluating his options” as the end of his career draws closer.

 

And while Marchessault is the higher-priority extension target, McCrimmon hasn’t closed the door on a Stephenson re-signing. Pagnotta reports he’ll speak to Stephenson’s camp in the next two weeks to gauge his price. Still, if he heads to market, he’ll have plenty of suitors as the second-best center potentially available after Elias Lindholm. As such, his market value could very well eclipse a $6MM AAV – a prohibitively expensive figure for Vegas unless significant cap-cutting trades are made.

 

https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2024/05/latest-on-the-golden-knights-pending-ufas.html#ref=home

Amadio and Carrier are the kinda guys we target if we lose Joshua.  They'll come in cheaper but do arguably just as good of a job in a bottom 6 role.  Amadio with Blueger and Garland would be excellent.

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1 minute ago, DrJockitch said:

If only the league had warned us that would happen if we did what we did, oh yeah, they did and we chose to do it anyway. 

You mean how they approved of the contract and then retroactively went back and told us it wasn't acceptable?  Imagine if contracts worked that way in the real world... oh!  That mortgage you signed just before interest rates went sky rocketing?  Yeah... that isn't fair for everyone else, so we're gonna just add on an extra mortgage rate avoidance fee so you pay about the same as everyone else... even though you signed that contract before changes were made.

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