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I don't think we talk enough about how valuable it is that we have open cap space to work with.  We don't need to bring back any of our UFAs.  What that means is that we can poach teams looking to sell really low to free up cap space.  The 2 teams that come to mind immediately are VGK and TBL. 

 

TRADE 1

 

To VAN

William Karlsson

 

To VGK

3rd Round Pick

Danila Klimovich (or other B level prospect)

 

VGK is extremely tight against the cap with a real possibility of losing both Marchessault and Stephenson.  Moving Karlsson would likely allow them to keep both.  Recall recently how much it cost PIT to acquire Reilly Smith (as a cap dump) who was coming off a season quite similar to Karlsson... a single 3rd round pick. 

Canucks acquire a top 6F for pennies on the dollar, and Karlsson has a good cap hit for the next few years.

 

TRADE 2

 

To VAN

Tanner Jeannot

 

To TBL

B level prospect or a pick

 

Same situation.  TBL needs to find cap space to bring back Stamkos.  Jeannot is on the final year of his contract at a respectable cap hit.

Canucks bring in Jeannot to take Joshua's spot on the 3rd line.

 

TRADE 3 -- as with almost every proposal on these forums, Mikheyev NEEDS to be moved for a bag of pucks.

 

UFA signings

- Either Tanev or Lyubushkin... whichever comes cheaper.  I think Lyubushkin could be had for $3M AAV.  Tanev would be $4M+.

- Myers at $3M AAV

- Hronek at $7.25M AAV

- Zadorov at $5.25M AAV

- Blueger at $2M AAV

- Silovs at $2M AAV

- We walk from Joshua and Lindholm

 

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Our new line-up for 2024/25:

 

Suter-Miller-Boeser

Hoglander-Pettersson-Karlsson

Jeannot-Blueger-Garland

Podkolzin-Aman-PDG

 

Hughes-Hronek

Zadorov-Myers

Soucy-Lyubushkin

 

Demko

Silovs

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2 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

I like the idea of Jeannot for cheap. 

 

Not sure I'm sold on Karlsson tho... is he the shooter Petey needs?

30 goals, 60 points in 70 games this year.  Former 43 goal man (albeit several years ago). 

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2 minutes ago, HKSR said:

30 goals, 60 points in 70 games this year.  Former 43 goal man (albeit several years ago). 

 

my concern is he is a bit like Petey and didn't take a lot of shots in the playoffs: https://edge.nhl.com/en/skater/8476448

 

regular season was OK, just concerned that we'd see Petey's line shut down again next playoffs in the same way. 

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1 minute ago, Bob Long said:

 

my concern is he is a bit like Petey and didn't take a lot of shots in the playoffs: https://edge.nhl.com/en/skater/8476448

 

regular season was OK, just concerned that we'd see Petey's line shut down again next playoffs in the same way. 

Possibly.  He looked a helluva lot better the year before though (in the playoffs)... 11 goals and 17 points in 22 games.  He has 30 goals and 68 points in 100 career playoff games, and arguably I'd say this year was his worst playoff performance.  Could be his ice time as it dipped to 15:56 ATOI in the playoffs... presumably with the addition of Hertl and Mantha along with the return of Stone.

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Either Jeannot or Karlsson could be good pickups.  Alternatively we could use our cap space to go after Marchessault or Stephenson ourselves.   If we hold this second possibility over Vegas' head, it could be leverage for getting an even better deal on Karlsson at the last moment.  It would be sweet to jerk them around like that.

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Karlsson would be intriguing, feel like he'd be more useful to the club than Jeannot

 

Jeannot type players are useful but it was rather apparent that we need more in our top six come playoff time 

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I like the idea of weaponizing our cap space. I'm not sure about Karlson at his 5.9 mil cap hit but it could be a good fit. Let's take advantage of clubs and pick some bones!

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My thought of late has been, whether we're able to retain players (let alone our best ones), we have loads of salary cap - which is the best asset a team can have. Allvin & co. have shown plenty of creativity when it comes to building out their roster, so as a fan I am optimistic!

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I think you're overstaying the amount of available cap space.  Yes. The Canucks have roughly $26m including poolmans ltir. But they only have 2 nhl defenceman and 10 forwards signed (if you're including Podkolzin and Aman)  . If you re-sign guts like Zadorov, Lindstrom and Hronek that's drastically cuts down the available cap by $20m is.  So that leaves $6m +/-  to sign 5-7 guys.  Margins start to get awfully thin awfully fast. Yes, you can factor in moving Mikheyev, but that's far from a guarantee.

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7 minutes ago, qwijjibo said:

I think you're overstaying the amount of available cap space.  Yes. The Canucks have roughly $26m including poolmans ltir. But they only have 2 nhl defenceman and 10 forwards signed (if you're including Podkolzin and Aman)  . If you re-sign guts like Zadorov, Lindstrom and Hronek that's drastically cuts down the available cap by $20m is.  So that leaves $6m +/-  to sign 5-7 guys.  Margins start to get awfully thin awfully fast. Yes, you can factor in moving Mikheyev, but that's far from a guarantee.

The fact is we don't NEED to re-sign guys like Zadorov, Lindholm, etc.  We can use this cap space to acquire guys with term for pennies on the dollar.  You won't find guys like William Karlsson signing as a UFA for $5.9M for another 3 years.  Perhaps Erik Cernak could be available too.  Kaapo Kaako.  The goal is to acquire talent on cap friendly deals for pennies on the dollar. 

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22 hours ago, HKSR said:

I don't think we talk enough about how valuable it is that we have open cap space to work with.  We don't need to bring back any of our UFAs.  What that means is that we can poach teams looking to sell really low to free up cap space.  The 2 teams that come to mind immediately are VGK and TBL. 

 

TRADE 1

 

To VAN

William Karlsson

 

To VGK

3rd Round Pick

Danila Klimovich (or other B level prospect)

 

VGK is extremely tight against the cap with a real possibility of losing both Marchessault and Stephenson.  Moving Karlsson would likely allow them to keep both.  Recall recently how much it cost PIT to acquire Reilly Smith (as a cap dump) who was coming off a season quite similar to Karlsson... a single 3rd round pick. 

Canucks acquire a top 6F for pennies on the dollar, and Karlsson has a good cap hit for the next few years.

 

TRADE 2

 

To VAN

Tanner Jeannot

 

To TBL

B level prospect or a pick

 

Same situation.  TBL needs to find cap space to bring back Stamkos.  Jeannot is on the final year of his contract at a respectable cap hit.

Canucks bring in Jeannot to take Joshua's spot on the 3rd line.

 

TRADE 3 -- as with almost every proposal on these forums, Mikheyev NEEDS to be moved for a bag of pucks.

 

UFA signings

- Either Tanev or Lyubushkin... whichever comes cheaper.  I think Lyubushkin could be had for $3M AAV.  Tanev would be $4M+.

- Myers at $3M AAV

- Hronek at $7.25M AAV

- Zadorov at $5.25M AAV

- Blueger at $2M AAV

- Silovs at $2M AAV

- We walk from Joshua and Lindholm

 

image.thumb.png.a76013e888207b0700f7bb6d41b8cc05.png

 

Our new line-up for 2024/25:

 

Suter-Miller-Boeser

Hoglander-Pettersson-Karlsson

Jeannot-Blueger-Garland

Podkolzin-Aman-PDG

 

Hughes-Hronek

Zadorov-Myers

Soucy-Lyubushkin

 

Demko

Silovs

We need an Alex Burrows to play with Pettersson. Someone who has skill and will battle.

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17 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said:

We need an Alex Burrows to play with Pettersson. Someone who has skill and will battle.

Skill is obviously there, and a lot of people don't realize Karlsson is arguably one of VGK's top defensive forwards.  His compete level is one of his best traits.  He plays in all situations including special teams, and even has FO% numbers above 50%.  All for $5.9M...

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20 minutes ago, HKSR said:

Skill is obviously there, and a lot of people don't realize Karlsson is arguably one of VGK's top defensive forwards.  His compete level is one of his best traits.  He plays in all situations including special teams, and even has FO% numbers above 50%.  All for $5.9M...

 

OK say it's all true, aren't we also helping a division rival out? 

 

I don't know why I'm biased here tbh... something about him I don't like. But if our pro-scouting team likes him thats good enough for me. 

 

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Just now, Bob Long said:

 

OK say it's all true, aren't we also helping a division rival out? 

 

I don't know why I'm biased here tbh... something about him I don't like. But if our pro-scouting team likes him thats good enough for me. 

 

Haha, we do it because we're adding value for cheap.  That's how we build ourselves into contender status.  We need to find good value on solid contract cap hits to build a strong contender. 

 

You're probably biased because it's Vegas.  We all hate em lol

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Just now, HKSR said:

Haha, we do it because we're adding value for cheap.  That's how we build ourselves into contender status.  We need to find good value on solid contract cap hits to build a strong contender. 

 

You're probably biased because it's Vegas.  We all hate em lol

 

yea I need to think about it for a bit, not sure why I dislike him here. 

 

But the idea is sound for sure, if we find a way to move Mik as well we're in a great position cap wise. 

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On 6/5/2024 at 11:44 AM, Bob Long said:

 

OK say it's all true, aren't we also helping a division rival out? 

 

I don't know why I'm biased here tbh... something about him I don't like. But if our pro-scouting team likes him thats good enough for me. 

 

As long as it isn't the same guys who scouted Schmidt.  

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45 minutes ago, IBatch said:

As long as it isn't the same guys who scouted Schmidt.  

You do gotta wonder how Schmidt may have turned out if we had Foote and Gonchar back then...

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24 minutes ago, HKSR said:

You do gotta wonder how Schmidt may have turned out if we had Foote and Gonchar back then...

Might of helped.    Personally think we just didn't have nearly enough after Edler (aging, really better suited for a 5th by then who could move up occasionally), Myers and Tanev.     OEL wasn't it (he's perfect in his current role on a good team as a third pairing guy who can move up a little as needed).     What we've got now or had last year, was the first time i've seen six good defenseman on this team since the peak Sedin days.   With size.   Juulsen as our 7th, for years we'd ride guys well above their ability for lack of any other choice.   

 

Think Cole out, Juulsen in is close to a wash, less depth.    So we will need to at the minimum upgrade Irwin if we go back with that.    Need an NHL vet on a cheap deal who can play 30-40games to mitigate injuries.   As our 6-7th with Juulsen.   Brisbois back and ready to go helps the left side too. 

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24 minutes ago, IBatch said:

Might of helped.    Personally think we just didn't have nearly enough after Edler (aging, really better suited for a 5th by then who could move up occasionally), Myers and Tanev.     OEL wasn't it (he's perfect in his current role on a good team as a third pairing guy who can move up a little as needed).     What we've got now or had last year, was the first time i've seen six good defenseman on this team since the peak Sedin days.   With size.   Juulsen as our 7th, for years we'd ride guys well above their ability for lack of any other choice.   

 

Think Cole out, Juulsen in is close to a wash, less depth.    So we will need to at the minimum upgrade Irwin if we go back with that.    Need an NHL vet on a cheap deal who can play 30-40games to mitigate injuries.   As our 6-7th with Juulsen.   Brisbois back and ready to go helps the left side too. 

If Juulsen can be a steady #6, then we save a ton of cap on that bottom pair.  There may very well be one of our Abby guys that are ready for a 7th D role... McWard? Hirose? Johansson? or maybe even DPetey?

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On 6/5/2024 at 8:22 AM, HKSR said:

Skill is obviously there, and a lot of people don't realize Karlsson is arguably one of VGK's top defensive forwards.  His compete level is one of his best traits.  He plays in all situations including special teams, and even has FO% numbers above 50%.  All for $5.9M...

I like Karlsson he's very underrated

 

But for the reasons listed above why would VGK look to camp dump someone else?

 

I also think the knights value Karlsson more than Marchsy and Stephenson 

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If we can get Karlsson for 5.9 I'd prefer him over Lindholm at 7+. I would say they bring the same game. Both have +40 goal seasons in the past so they know how to score, good face off, great overall defense and PK. But I agree with @bh90, why would Vegas get rid of that contract?

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On 6/4/2024 at 9:15 AM, HKSR said:

I don't think we talk enough about how valuable it is that we have open cap space to work with.  We don't need to bring back any of our UFAs.  What that means is that we can poach teams looking to sell really low to free up cap space.  The 2 teams that come to mind immediately are VGK and TBL. 

 

TRADE 1

 

To VAN

William Karlsson

 

To VGK

3rd Round Pick

Danila Klimovich (or other B level prospect)

 

VGK is extremely tight against the cap with a real possibility of losing both Marchessault and Stephenson.  Moving Karlsson would likely allow them to keep both.  Recall recently how much it cost PIT to acquire Reilly Smith (as a cap dump) who was coming off a season quite similar to Karlsson... a single 3rd round pick. 

Canucks acquire a top 6F for pennies on the dollar, and Karlsson has a good cap hit for the next few years.

 

TRADE 2

 

To VAN

Tanner Jeannot

 

To TBL

B level prospect or a pick

 

Same situation.  TBL needs to find cap space to bring back Stamkos.  Jeannot is on the final year of his contract at a respectable cap hit.

Canucks bring in Jeannot to take Joshua's spot on the 3rd line.

 

TRADE 3 -- as with almost every proposal on these forums, Mikheyev NEEDS to be moved for a bag of pucks.

 

UFA signings

- Either Tanev or Lyubushkin... whichever comes cheaper.  I think Lyubushkin could be had for $3M AAV.  Tanev would be $4M+.

- Myers at $3M AAV

- Hronek at $7.25M AAV

- Zadorov at $5.25M AAV

- Blueger at $2M AAV

- Silovs at $2M AAV

- We walk from Joshua and Lindholm

 

image.thumb.png.a76013e888207b0700f7bb6d41b8cc05.png

 

Our new line-up for 2024/25:

 

Suter-Miller-Boeser

Hoglander-Pettersson-Karlsson

Jeannot-Blueger-Garland

Podkolzin-Aman-PDG

 

Hughes-Hronek

Zadorov-Myers

Soucy-Lyubushkin

 

Demko

Silovs

In terms of weaponizing our cap. What other targets would you see besides Karlsson? Thanks for the post. Very interesting. Meme Think GIF

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13 minutes ago, Hairy Kneel said:

In terms of weaponizing our cap. What other targets would you see besides Karlsson? Thanks for the post. Very interesting. Meme Think GIF

Tampa... they've got $5.3M in cap space with only 10 forwards, 6 defencemen, and 2 goalies signed.  One of those forwards they want back may very well be Stamkos, who even with a discount would likely cost $7M+.

 

In other words, if they re-sign Stamkos, they are now sitting with a cap deficit of -$1.7M, but still need 2 forwards and a defenceman. 

 

Let's say all 3 of those players are at nearly league minimum ($800k each).  That now puts them at -$4.1M in the hole.

 

They realistically need to move $5M+ out the door to be able to keep Stamkos and fill out the rest of their roster.

 

I have NO idea why they traded for McDonagh.  It just made their situation worse. 

 

I'd be calling TBL about Cernak.  I think it'd be the best opportunity to convince TBL to move him for a relatively reasonable cost given their cap constraints.

 

Although all of this could just mean that Stamkos has played his last game as a Lightning.

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