Signing Big Z and Dakota Joshua over Jake Guentzel

[Mikeyman109]

Given the way the Zadorov stepped up in the playoffs I would rather we prioritize him and Dakota Joshua over trying to land a Jake Guentzel. 

What we need in Vancouver is players that step it up at the right times.  Big Z played lights out in the playoffs. Scored a few beauty goals and played well in front of our net. I think he has upside still offensively. he also gives us a bit of a deterrent to team stirring it up with our smaller players. 

If we use the money to sign Zadorov, then we can resign  DJ  and maybe look at adding a Tyler Toffoli back into this mix rather than handing a huge contract to a JG that wont age well. we already have a contract with those risks. 

we need players that can elevate their game. I liked what i saw from the big Russian kid this spring.  Love to hear thoughts here?

[DrJockitch]

We probably have the budget for all three and JG is an elite talent that raises his game in the playoffs. 
We probably won’t land him and will be looking at cheaper options ultimately anyway. 

[smithers joe]

they need a guentzel or a necas on petey's line to help maximize petey's talents.

i'ld rather bring back lindholm than some of the other choices.

[Bonkers]

I'm still split regarding JG signing. It's easy to imagine JG and Petey lighting things up and giving us two very competent top lines.

I wouldn't have a problem with 9mil contract if it was 4-5 years.

 

My prediction is Big Z and Guenzel gets done, DJ walks (Podz will get the chance to fit that spot)

[Canuck You]

Got me all excited for no reason when I started reading that title!

 

[KoreanHockeyFan]

I honestly don't understand the hype with Guentzel. If we're going to pay him $8 million plus, why not just spend that money on Lindholm. Both players are the same age, but Lindholm is a right-handed centreman - something we don't have. Guentzel is a winger. 

[Mike Vanderhoek]

19 minutes ago, KoreanHockeyFan said:

I honestly don't understand the hype with Guentzel. If we're going to pay him $8 million plus, why not just spend that money on Lindholm. Both players are the same age, but Lindholm is a right-handed centreman - something we don't have. Guentzel is a winger. 

 

I think the potential of Guentzel with Pettersson is huge. If you have a dual threat of Miller-Boeser then followed up with Pettersson-Guentzel then a 3rd line including Blueger and Garland, maybe Podkolzin you've got quite the attack.

 

Reason Lindholm stood out more so is there was nothing coming out of Pettersson's line.

 

All that said, the money free'd up in Mikheyev deal simply allows the Canucks to keep pace in terms of the roster they had last year while potentially adding a top six legit scorer in Guentzel. The team is still going to need to get more out of Juulsen and one of Raty, Bains, Karlsson will need to break in. My guess is Raty and Aman rotate on 4th C.

 

Something far too many people forget, players have to want to be here. Joshua may want to but his time in his career is now, if he can secure 12-16 million from signing elsewhere versus under 10 million in Vancouver he is going to have to do it. He is not a top six and he should not be paid above $ 3m per.

 

Perhaps a roster like this we see next season:

 

Elias Pettersson	11,600,000
JT Miller	8,000,000
Brock Boeser	6,650,000
Conor Garland	4,950,000
Teddy Blueger	1,800,000
Pius Suter	1,600,000
Nils Hoglander	1,100,000
Vasily Podkolzin	1,000,000
Nils Aman	825,000
Phil Di Giuseppe	775,000
Jake Guentzel	9,250,000
Aatu Raty	836,667
Brandon Duhaime	1,500,000
Quinn Hughes	7,850,000
Filip Hronek	7,250,000
Carson Soucy	3,250,000
Noah Juulsen	775,000
Mark Friedman	775,000
Tyler Myers	3,250,000
Brenden Dillon	3,750,000
Dmitry Kulikov / Justin Schultz	1,500,000
Thatcher Demko	5,000,000
Arturs Silovs	1,250,000
	3,059,167
Totals	$87,595,834

[VegasCanuck]

We can do all now...

[Reznor]

I actually think we pass on the biggest names. If you look at teams who have a few high-paid guys on their team, they usually have difficulty rounding out the rest of their team. Ultimately, I believe that's what kept Edmonton from winning the cup and is what's hurting Toronto's chances over the last few years as well.

 

I would instead suggest we go after a 2nd liner who can play similar to Miller in a physical role but also capable of scoring. Then for the top line, perhaps we go after a prior star who is now willing to take a steep discount similar to what we saw from Duchene. Here's what I whipped up today, assuming Skinner will be bought out and is willing to take that steep discount:

[Bretzky]

I’d like to see this defenceman lineup

 

Hughes - Juulsen

Zadorov - Hronek

Soucy - Myers

 

…and really happy we resigned Joshua.

Edited June 27 by Bretzky

[KoreanHockeyFan]

4 hours ago, Mike Vanderhoek said:

 

I think the potential of Guentzel with Pettersson is huge. If you have a dual threat of Miller-Boeser then followed up with Pettersson-Guentzel then a 3rd line including Blueger and Garland, maybe Podkolzin you've got quite the attack.

 

Reason Lindholm stood out more so is there was nothing coming out of Pettersson's line.

 

All that said, the money free'd up in Mikheyev deal simply allows the Canucks to keep pace in terms of the roster they had last year while potentially adding a top six legit scorer in Guentzel. The team is still going to need to get more out of Juulsen and one of Raty, Bains, Karlsson will need to break in. My guess is Raty and Aman rotate on 4th C.

 

Something far too many people forget, players have to want to be here. Joshua may want to but his time in his career is now, if he can secure 12-16 million from signing elsewhere versus under 10 million in Vancouver he is going to have to do it. He is not a top six and he should not be paid above $ 3m per.

 

Perhaps a roster like this we see next season:

 

 

Elias Pettersson	11,600,000
JT Miller	8,000,000
Brock Boeser	6,650,000
Conor Garland	4,950,000
Teddy Blueger	1,800,000
Pius Suter	1,600,000
Nils Hoglander	1,100,000
Vasily Podkolzin	1,000,000
Nils Aman	825,000
Phil Di Giuseppe	775,000
Jake Guentzel	9,250,000
Aatu Raty	836,667
Brandon Duhaime	1,500,000
Quinn Hughes	7,850,000
Filip Hronek	7,250,000
Carson Soucy	3,250,000
Noah Juulsen	775,000
Mark Friedman	775,000
Tyler Myers	3,250,000
Brenden Dillon	3,750,000
Dmitry Kulikov / Justin Schultz	1,500,000
Thatcher Demko	5,000,000
Arturs Silovs	1,250,000
	3,059,167
Totals	$87,595,834

 

I'd rather chase Reinhart over Guentzel if I'm forced to pass on Lindholm. 

 

Having another strong centreman would do wonders for the team. It would bring versatility and allow Petey to play the wing whenever needed. Easier to get centres to play wing compared to the other way around.

[DSVII]

4 hours ago, Reznor said:

I actually think we pass on the biggest names. If you look at teams who have a few high-paid guys on their team, they usually have difficulty rounding out the rest of their team. Ultimately, I believe that's what kept Edmonton from winning the cup and is what's hurting Toronto's chances over the last few years as well.

 

I would instead suggest we go after a 2nd liner who can play similar to Miller in a physical role but also capable of scoring. Then for the top line, perhaps we go after a prior star who is now willing to take a steep discount similar to what we saw from Duchene. Here's what I whipped up today, assuming Skinner will be bought out and is willing to take that steep discount:

Skinner is an intriguing plan b. Or marchessault if he isn't demanding 9M

[Mike Vanderhoek]

2 hours ago, Bretzky said:

I’d like to see this defenceman lineup

 

Hughes - Juulsen

Zadorov - Hronek

Soucy - Myers

 

…and really happy we resigned Joshua.

 

I like Juulsen as a filler but I just don't have confidence in him as an everyday defenseman however I have a feeling the Canucks see him as just that now. Not overly liking that but if fans want Zadorov and Myers in Vancouver and an upgrade of the forwards then Juulsen fits into the top six to make the cap work.

[Mike Vanderhoek]

4 hours ago, Reznor said:

I actually think we pass on the biggest names. If you look at teams who have a few high-paid guys on their team, they usually have difficulty rounding out the rest of their team. Ultimately, I believe that's what kept Edmonton from winning the cup and is what's hurting Toronto's chances over the last few years as well.

 

I would instead suggest we go after a 2nd liner who can play similar to Miller in a physical role but also capable of scoring. Then for the top line, perhaps we go after a prior star who is now willing to take a steep discount similar to what we saw from Duchene. Here's what I whipped up today, assuming Skinner will be bought out and is willing to take that steep discount:

 

I think Sprong would be on their radar before Duclair.

[Rocket-68]

9 hours ago, smithers joe said:

they need a guentzel or a necas on petey's line to help maximize petey's talents.

i'ld rather bring back lindholm than some of the other choices.

 

Edit

Edited June 27 by Rocket-68

[DSVII]

[Maniwaki Canuck]

So after the Myers signing we have 14.5 in cap.  That could sort out as Guentzel @ 9.5 and Zadorov @ 5.  Pretty solid, but leaves Juulsen, Friedman, Woo and McWard to fight it out for the last RD position.  That's the weakest link but at least 4 guys have the chance to step up.

[Gurn]

16 minutes ago, Maniwaki Canuck said:

So after the Myers signing we have 14.5 in cap.  That could sort out as Guentzel @ 9.5 and Zadorov @ 5.  Pretty solid, but leaves Juulsen, Friedman, Woo and McWard to fight it out for the last RD position.  That's the weakest link but at least 4 guys have the chance to step up.

9.5+ 5 = 14.5   leaving no money for anyone on last pair right D, doesn't it?

[Maniwaki Canuck]

23 minutes ago, Gurn said:

9.5+ 5 = 14.5   leaving no money for anyone on last pair right D, doesn't it?

That would have to be Juulsen or Friedman, who figure in the total.

[Alflives]

1 hour ago, DSVII said:

To get both don’t we need to move out more money? 

[Bretzky]

1 hour ago, Mike Vanderhoek said:

 

I like Juulsen as a filler but I just don't have confidence in him as an everyday defenseman however I have a feeling the Canucks see him as just that now. Not overly liking that but if fans want Zadorov and Myers in Vancouver and an upgrade of the forwards then Juulsen fits into the top six to make the cap work.

The lineup could be very interchangeable and work too, as per a committee.

 

[Rypien-Punch]

Id rather just sign Tanev and Zedorov over Guentzel then bring up some of the young guys for forward spots

 

Garland Miller Boeser 

 Hoglander Pettersson Lekkerimaki 

Joshua Blueger Karlsson

PDG Suter Podkolzin 

 

Hughes Hronek

Zedorov Tanev 

Soucy Myers 

Juulsen 

Edited June 28 by Rypien-Punch

[Ballisticsports]

8 hours ago, Rypien-Punch said:

Id rather just sign Tanev and Zedorov over Guentzel then bring up some of the young guys for forward spots

 

Garland Miller Boeser 

 Hoglander Pettersson Lekkerimaki 

Joshua Blueger Karlsson

PDG Suter Podkolzin 

 

Hughes Hronek

Zedorov Tanev 

Soucy Myers 

Juulsen 

I have to agree, JG had some very good players on the Pens and they missed the playoffs the last 2 years, I prefer to have younger cheaper hungry players who never have won yet and have the desire to get there, like a younger JG before he won with Pens and Canada,

JG was a 3rd round pick, we just need to find someone younger and similar to JG who hasn't been given the opportunity or played with the right players in his career for a lot cheaper, But if management goes after him, I trust they know better, as they even know the player personally

Edited June 28 by Ballisticsports

[DSVII]

Rumor from the 32 thoughts today is that Carolina has met Guentzel's ask, but he can still decide if he wants to go elsewhere (edit) hmm see what we heard later today.

Edited June 28 by DSVII

[kettlevalley]

Allvin has money to spend still.  We will get at least one more forward and at least one more D.  Hopefully he is able to leave us in a state where we can fit everyone under the cap such that we can save up cap room for the TDL.