NMHockey Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 (edited) TRADES SEATTLE D Noah Juulsen VANCOUVER 2027 3rd Round Pick VANCOUVER D Mike Matheson CGY 2025 1st Round Pick 2026 7th Round Pick MONTREAL F Nils Hoglander F Nils Aman D Guillaume Brisebois 2027 1st Round Pick SEA 2027 3rd Round Pick VANCOUVER F Aku Raty D Terrell Goldsmith UTAH F Danila Klimovich G Aku Koskenvuo DETROIT F Phillip Di Giuseppe VANCOUVER STL 2025 7th Round Pick **AHL Trade** HENDERSON F John Stevens ABBOTSFORD Future Considerations SIGNINGS F Brock Boeser *Extension* 8 years | $6,250,000 AAV | NMC F Pius Suter *Extension* 3 years | $3,300,000 AAV | M-NTC D Christian Wolanin *Extension* 2 years | $1,100,000 AAV G Aaron Dell 2 years | $800,000 AAV | 2-way NHL • $800,000 | AHL • $400,000 D Layton Ahac 2 years | $800,000 AAV | 2-way NHL • $800,000 | AHL • $200,000 F Carsen Twarynski 2 years | $775,000 AAV | 2-way NHL • $775,000 | AHL • $500,000 OPENING NIGHT LINE-UP Podkolzin - Pettersson - DeBrusk Heinen - Miller - Boeser Joshua - Blueger - Sprong Suter - Smith - Garland Sherwood Hughes - Desharnais Matheson - Hronek Soucy - Myers Forbort - Woo Demko Patera ABBOTSFORD Bains - Sasson - Lekkerimaki Twarynski - At.Raty - Ak.Raty Bloom - Nielsen - Karlsson Loewen - Glover - Wouters Mueller Wolanin - Felton Ahac - McWard Pettersson - Friedman Arntsen - Hirose Silovs Tolopilo Dell Edited August 11 by NMHockey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 So why does Montreal sell on Matheson or more futures and smallish guys?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMHockey Posted August 11 Author Share Posted August 11 (edited) 1 hour ago, Phil_314 said: So why does Montreal sell on Matheson or more futures and smallish guys?? They have two roster spots open still and need more skilled left-handed forwards. Hoglander plays with heart and is stocky; bounces off of hits. Aman is 6'2 and finishes his hits. Montreal needs to move Matheson as Guhle has been extended, Xhekaj needs more ice-time; plus L.Hutson and Struble are coming. Edited August 11 by NMHockey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijjibo Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 (edited) Montreal says fuck no. That is a truly awful offer Edited August 11 by qwijjibo 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMHockey Posted August 11 Author Share Posted August 11 2 hours ago, qwijjibo said: Montreal says fuck no. That is a truly awful offer LOL in what way? Hoglander scored at one of the best 5 on 5 rates last season, is young and only costs $1.1 Million and Aman is a bonus. That CGY 1st = Hoglander. Than it's Aman, Brisebois, 1st, 3rd for Matheson, 7th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijjibo Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 11 minutes ago, NMHockey said: LOL in what way? Hoglander scored at one of the best 5 on 5 rates last season, is young and only costs $1.1 Million and Aman is a bonus. That CGY 1st = Hoglander. Than it's Aman, Brisebois, 1st, 3rd for Matheson, 7th. In every way. There is nothing appealing in this deal for Montreal. Matheson was their top scoring D last season (62 points). Hes much more valuable to the team than Hoglander would be. Add in the fact that Hoglander scored on 20% of his shots last season. That's a higher rate than just about every legitimate sniper In the league. It was an outlier season that he won't be able to replicate. If he reverts to his normal shooting percentage he'll be a 13 goal guy. Montreal have young players ready to step into the spot that Hoglander would fill (Joshua Roy, Owen Beck....) Brisbois adds zero value. Montreal has incredible depth at D so bringing in a 27 year old career ahler accomplishes one thing, it eats up a contract spot. That's it. Aman adds little to no value considering Montreal has a top 3 prospect pool in the league. The conditions on the Calgary first means it's most likely Florida's first. But, there's a slight chance it could be as high as 11th if Calgary does a bit better than expected. Either way it's a 1st round asset next year, not 3 years from now. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 21 minutes ago, qwijjibo said: In every way. There is nothing appealing in this deal for Montreal. Matheson was their top scoring D last season (62 points). Hes much more valuable to the team than Hoglander would be. Add in the fact that Hoglander scored on 20% of his shots last season. That's a higher rate than just about every legitimate sniper In the league. It was an outlier season that he won't be able to replicate. If he reverts to his normal shooting percentage he'll be a 13 goal guy. Montreal have young players ready to step into the spot that Hoglander would fill (Joshua Roy, Owen Beck....) Brisbois adds zero value. Montreal has incredible depth at D so bringing in a 27 year old career ahler accomplishes one thing, it eats up a contract spot. That's it. Aman adds little to no value considering Montreal has a top 3 prospect pool in the league. The conditions on the Calgary first means it's most likely Florida's first. But, there's a slight chance it could be as high as 11th if Calgary does a bit better than expected. Either way it's a 1st round asset next year, not 3 years from now. Maybe Matheson would like a chance to win vs whatever it is Montreal is doing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijjibo Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 1 minute ago, Bob Long said: Maybe Matheson would like a chance to win vs whatever it is Montreal is doing. Maybe if he requests a trade you'll have a point. But he hasn't, he's a Montreal native and from all reports loves playing in his hometown. So as usual you bring nothing pertinent to the conversation other than trying to troll me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 Isn't Matheson the same guy who pile drived Petey into the ice head first? No thanks... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophomore Jinx Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 14 hours ago, NMHockey said: TRADES SEATTLE D Noah Juulsen VANCOUVER 2027 3rd Round Pick VANCOUVER D Mike Matheson CGY 2025 1st Round Pick 2026 7th Round Pick MONTREAL F Nils Hoglander F Nils Aman D Guillaume Brisebois 2027 1st Round Pick SEA 2027 3rd Round Pick VANCOUVER F Aku Raty D Terrell Goldsmith UTAH F Danila Klimovich G Aku Koskenvuo DETROIT F Phillip Di Giuseppe VANCOUVER STL 2025 7th Round Pick **AHL Trade** HENDERSON F John Stevens ABBOTSFORD Future Considerations SIGNINGS F Brock Boeser *Extension* 8 years | $6,250,000 AAV | NMC F Pius Suter *Extension* 3 years | $3,300,000 AAV | M-NTC D Christian Wolanin *Extension* 2 years | $1,100,000 AAV G Aaron Dell 2 years | $800,000 AAV | 2-way NHL • $800,000 | AHL • $400,000 D Layton Ahac 2 years | $800,000 AAV | 2-way NHL • $800,000 | AHL • $200,000 F Carsen Twarynski 2 years | $775,000 AAV | 2-way NHL • $775,000 | AHL • $500,000 OPENING NIGHT LINE-UP Podkolzin - Pettersson - DeBrusk Heinen - Miller - Boeser Joshua - Blueger - Sprong Suter - Smith - Garland Sherwood Hughes - Desharnais Matheson - Hronek Soucy - Myers Forbort - Woo Demko Patera ABBOTSFORD Bains - Sasson - Lekkerimaki Twarynski - At.Raty - Ak.Raty Bloom - Nielsen - Karlsson Loewen - Glover - Wouters Mueller Wolanin - Felton Ahac - McWard Pettersson - Friedman Arntsen - Hirose Silovs Tolopilo Dell I don't know if I've ever seen a worse proposal, here or even in the old CDC. In what world does Juulsen fetch a 3rd round pick? Seriously??? And in your trade, essentially what MTL is getting for Matheson is : Hoglander and a 3rd (3 years from now), plus scraps....Brisebois and Aman are AHL quality players, with little to no value.... And....your suggestion that BB6 will sign a max deal at 8 x $6.25M (a lower rate than current $6.65 wtf) is absurd. Podkolzin might not even be in the lineup, never mind the 1st line, and Wolanin is worth $1.1M to you, but you have Woo in your D core scenario??? And while I like Suter's game, I don't like the $3.3M per, especially as a 4th liner, like in your world....there needs to be cost certainty in the bottom 6, this isn't Jimbo's playhouse anymore 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 3 hours ago, qwijjibo said: Maybe if he requests a trade you'll have a point. But he hasn't, he's a Montreal native and from all reports loves playing in his hometown. So as usual you bring nothing pertinent to the conversation other than trying to troll me 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainQuin Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 2 hours ago, Sophomore Jinx said: I don't know if I've ever seen a worse proposal, here or even in the old CDC. In what world does Juulsen fetch a 3rd round pick? Seriously??? And in your trade, essentially what MTL is getting for Matheson is : Hoglander and a 3rd (3 years from now), plus scraps....Brisebois and Aman are AHL quality players, with little to no value.... And....your suggestion that BB6 will sign a max deal at 8 x $6.25M (a lower rate than current $6.65 wtf) is absurd. Podkolzin might not even be in the lineup, never mind the 1st line, and Wolanin is worth $1.1M to you, but you have Woo in your D core scenario??? And while I like Suter's game, I don't like the $3.3M per, especially as a 4th liner, like in your world....there needs to be cost certainty in the bottom 6, this isn't Jimbo's playhouse anymore Came here to pretty much say most of the same thing … 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMHockey Posted August 13 Author Share Posted August 13 On 8/11/2024 at 12:00 PM, Sophomore Jinx said: I don't know if I've ever seen a worse proposal, here or even in the old CDC. In what world does Juulsen fetch a 3rd round pick? Seriously??? And in your trade, essentially what MTL is getting for Matheson is : Hoglander and a 3rd (3 years from now), plus scraps....Brisebois and Aman are AHL quality players, with little to no value.... And....your suggestion that BB6 will sign a max deal at 8 x $6.25M (a lower rate than current $6.65 wtf) is absurd. Podkolzin might not even be in the lineup, never mind the 1st line, and Wolanin is worth $1.1M to you, but you have Woo in your D core scenario??? And while I like Suter's game, I don't like the $3.3M per, especially as a 4th liner, like in your world....there needs to be cost certainty in the bottom 6, this isn't Jimbo's playhouse anymore Juulsen is a 27 year old RHD who has improved every single season and was trusted in clutch situations last year. He can shoot, he's aggressive and he costs league minimum. Add in that you trade him to a divisional rival in Seattle and a 3rd is more than fair. Hoglander is worth Matheson alone; did you forget Hoglanders 5 on 5 production as a young forward who only currently costs $1.1 Million?? Aman and Brisebois are throw-ins. As for Boeser; even he knows he has not proven that he is yet an $8 Million dollar player (and may never be). Signing him for that long after everything that management and coaching has done to help him on and off the ice and stuck with him through all his time missed to injuries; that is more than fair and bring his AAV down for such a long contract. Wolanins AAV is still fully able to be buried in the AHL and it mitigates the risk of someone taking him from the waiver wire (Wolanin is crucial to Abbotsford and their locker room). What is your issue with giving Podkolzin and Woo a chance to grow and develop more? This management group has re-signed Woo twice and just gave Podkolzin a 2 year deal so clearly they want to work with them. As for Suter he more than proved last season that he is not a 4th liner. $3.3 Million for his production rate, versatility and competitiveness is more than reasonable. Go find some actual "worst proposals". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMHockey Posted August 13 Author Share Posted August 13 On 8/11/2024 at 11:51 AM, Elias Pettersson said: Isn't Matheson the same guy who pile drived Petey into the ice head first? No thanks... It was a behind the net heat of the moment play to eliminate a hot rookie from the puck. Let the past go. Pettersson even said in the interview after that hit that Matheson reached out to him to apologize. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 Matheson is a serious puck sucking dough head. The guy has a cabbage brain. Lots of reasons why the Habs are bottom of the league and he’s one of them. Can’t win with guys as dumb as him. He has negative trade value. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijjibo Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 (edited) 19 hours ago, NMHockey said: Juulsen is a 27 year old RHD who has improved every single season and was trusted in clutch situations last year. He can shoot, he's aggressive and he costs league minimum. Add in that you trade him to a divisional rival in Seattle and a 3rd is more than fair. Hoglander is worth Matheson alone; did you forget Hoglanders 5 on 5 production as a young forward who only currently costs $1.1 Million?? Aman and Brisebois are throw-ins. As for Boeser; even he knows he has not proven that he is yet an $8 Million dollar player (and may never be). Signing him for that long after everything that management and coaching has done to help him on and off the ice and stuck with him through all his time missed to injuries; that is more than fair and bring his AAV down for such a long contract. Wolanins AAV is still fully able to be buried in the AHL and it mitigates the risk of someone taking him from the waiver wire (Wolanin is crucial to Abbotsford and their locker room). What is your issue with giving Podkolzin and Woo a chance to grow and develop more? This management group has re-signed Woo twice and just gave Podkolzin a 2 year deal so clearly they want to work with them. As for Suter he more than proved last season that he is not a 4th liner. $3.3 Million for his production rate, versatility and competitiveness is more than reasonable. Go find some actual "worst proposals". Hoglander alone is NOT worth Matheson. Certainly not to Montreal. Hoglander is an undersized winger who even after a season where he scored on 20% of his shots (which he won't be able to replicate) he still only put up 36 points. His cap hit is meaningless to Montreal considering they have close to $6m available without factoring in Price's LTIR. Matheson is a big, smooth skating puck moving D that's put up 96 points in 130 games since coming to Montreal. He's one of only 2 veteran D they have. Other than cap hit he's a far more valuable asset than Hoglander. Brisbois and Aman add no value to the deal. Montreal wouldn't consider this trade for a moment. Edited August 14 by qwijjibo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophomore Jinx Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 On 8/13/2024 at 3:09 PM, NMHockey said: Juulsen is a 27 year old RHD who has improved every single season and was trusted in clutch situations last year. He can shoot, he's aggressive and he costs league minimum. Add in that you trade him to a divisional rival in Seattle and a 3rd is more than fair. Hoglander is worth Matheson alone; did you forget Hoglanders 5 on 5 production as a young forward who only currently costs $1.1 Million?? Aman and Brisebois are throw-ins. As for Boeser; even he knows he has not proven that he is yet an $8 Million dollar player (and may never be). Signing him for that long after everything that management and coaching has done to help him on and off the ice and stuck with him through all his time missed to injuries; that is more than fair and bring his AAV down for such a long contract. Wolanins AAV is still fully able to be buried in the AHL and it mitigates the risk of someone taking him from the waiver wire (Wolanin is crucial to Abbotsford and their locker room). What is your issue with giving Podkolzin and Woo a chance to grow and develop more? This management group has re-signed Woo twice and just gave Podkolzin a 2 year deal so clearly they want to work with them. As for Suter he more than proved last season that he is not a 4th liner. $3.3 Million for his production rate, versatility and competitiveness is more than reasonable. Go find some actual "worst proposals". Ok, terrible proposal then. And I'm not married to Hogz like you are, he is NOT "worth Matheson alone"....are you kidding me??? Do you really believe Montreal would entertain a 1-for-1??? Never in a million years...and why even add "throw-ins" at all then? As for Woo and Podz, the former will be a decent AHLer and have a nice career there, but he will only have call up spot duty in the show...he's 24 already, and it's not as if he hasn't been given opportunity to strut his stuff, and force himself into the lineup, give the coaches no other choice, but he never has, has he....and until Podz gets a little bit of DGAF in him, and doesn't worry about making mistakes, he will struggle too...he's another in a long line of players that had "NHL things" in their toolboxes, but not quite the whole enchilada that is required to be a regular in the big league...there's still hope, and I'm rooting for him, but I don't see him as anything more than fighting for a bottom 6 role....this is a make it or break it year for him, he needs to find some offense, even if he's in the bottom 6, coz right now, and for a while he has had zilch. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 (edited) On 8/13/2024 at 6:09 PM, NMHockey said: Juulsen is a 27 year old RHD who has improved every single season and was trusted in clutch situations last year. He can shoot, he's aggressive and he costs league minimum. Add in that you trade him to a divisional rival in Seattle and a 3rd is more than fair. Hoglander is worth Matheson alone; did you forget Hoglanders 5 on 5 production as a young forward who only currently costs $1.1 Million?? Aman and Brisebois are throw-ins. As for Boeser; even he knows he has not proven that he is yet an $8 Million dollar player (and may never be). Signing him for that long after everything that management and coaching has done to help him on and off the ice and stuck with him through all his time missed to injuries; that is more than fair and bring his AAV down for such a long contract. Wolanins AAV is still fully able to be buried in the AHL and it mitigates the risk of someone taking him from the waiver wire (Wolanin is crucial to Abbotsford and their locker room). What is your issue with giving Podkolzin and Woo a chance to grow and develop more? This management group has re-signed Woo twice and just gave Podkolzin a 2 year deal so clearly they want to work with them. As for Suter he more than proved last season that he is not a 4th liner. $3.3 Million for his production rate, versatility and competitiveness is more than reasonable. Go find some actual "worst proposals". ??? How is Hogs worth Matheson? That's goofy. We all watched him fall off a cliff once the competition got tougher. At this point he's a tweener still fighting for another contract. And yes I'm a Canucks fan 100%. He's not Martin Gelinas. Let's see him do it again. Then we can start talking about a new contract or what his trade value is. At this point he's not worth a first rounder to most teams. And he's not worth trading a second for us either. Aman isn't worth anything. Brisbois is probably more valuable to us than trading too. At least he's a vet, and looked like he belonged when Schenn was traded and Hronek went down. Edited August 22 by IBatch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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