PunjabiCanucks23 Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 The Canucks have a window of 7 years to win a cup -realistically 4 years with Miller as our 2c. Flames are open to trading Andersson or Weegar based on the return. Both would solidify our top 4. Anderrson comes with less term and is cheaper and may be a good option until Willander is ready for the NHL. Imagine Hughes - Hronek Soucy -Anderrson Forbort/ Desharnes - Myers - Andersson would be an excellent 2 way puck moving defenceman that allows us to be a serious contender --- Cost of return: We have 3 untouchables imo- Lekerremaki, Petey 2.0, Willander This may include Hoglander based on his season this year. -- Canucks obtain Anderrson - Return: 2025 1st round pick (top 10 protected), becomes 2026 if we fail. A conditional 2026 2nd round pick ( if we make the finals, drops to a 3rd otherwise), Ratu *We probably need to add more and probably move a contract out to make it work $ wise * --- A cheaper rental may be Adam Larrson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 We'd have to move poolman and get Calgary to retain, so it's likely an unprotected first and Hogs. But holy cow that's a solid d group. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastExpress Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 Relax everyone, we already got a solid group to work with. I understand, opening day is so close but so far, far away..... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammertime Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 22 minutes ago, EastCoastExpress said: Relax everyone, we already got a solid group to work with. I understand, opening day is so close but so far, far away..... Very true. But hey why not consider the what if's. It's the doldrums. IMO we are good on RHD Hronek Myers Descharnais Juulson. Pre Descharnais absolutely Anderson would be a great target perfect timeline for Willander transition. Present tense We arent carrying Myers, Descharnais as a 7th D and waiving Juules. Tocc likes Myers Soucy together he leaned on them hard. A partner for Hronek would be the most impactful area we could improve in terms of extracting the most out of this roster. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijjibo Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 Sounds like Larson is signing an extension with Seattle tomorrow. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 If we could upgrade Myers (e.g. trading him as part of this deal) then I'd be down, but no to trade more than just a 1st (no to Hoglander/ Lekkerimaki/ Willander/ Petey 2). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastExpress Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 (edited) 3 hours ago, Hammertime said: Very true. But hey why not consider the what if's. It's the doldrums. IMO we are good on RHD Hronek Myers Descharnais Juulson. Pre Descharnais absolutely Anderson would be a great target perfect timeline for Willander transition. Present tense We arent carrying Myers, Descharnais as a 7th D and waiving Juules. Tocc likes Myers Soucy together he leaned on them hard. A partner for Hronek would be the most impactful area we could improve in terms of extracting the most out of this roster. Exactly, we are very deep on RD, especially if Descharnais goes from Calgary Zadorov to Vancouver Zadorov. However I think on LD, Hronek needs a Defensive Defensman so he can go do his thing comfortably. And D-petey looks like the right (left) guy, Size, hits, swagger. I dont dream of a trade or another dman project, I want our youth to come up. DPetey and Juuleson.... what else do we really need? Juulson can be QH "bull in the china shop" in the dzone, who gets the puck to Hughes to break out. Dpetey can be Hronek's "bull in the china shop" in the dzone, who gets the puck to Hronek to break out. Edited September 10 by EastCoastExpress 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCoastExpress Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 (edited) 2 hours ago, Phil_314 said: If we could upgrade Myers (e.g. trading him as part of this deal) then I'd be down, but no to trade more than just a 1st (no to Hoglander/ Lekkerimaki/ Willander/ Petey 2). you dont "upgrade" myers with anderrson. I dont know if anyone understands yet, but they will this year. Myers is an offensive defenseman. Meaning, he needs someone beside him he can trust (Soucy). This allows him to attack the oncoming player & puck and he causes turnovers. When Myers was paired with OEL or even QH he was constantly having to defend the 2 on 1, the 3 on 1. and not to mention there was no Demko so he had to play goalie. Last season he was just used correctly. (good coaching) With the cap pressure gone this season, Myers will likely blow the fans socks off. If Mcdonalds dropped the price of a quarter pounder 50% I bet it would be your go-to... and then if they give you a Baconator instead.... at the same price? Edited September 10 by EastCoastExpress 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted September 11 Share Posted September 11 22 hours ago, EastCoastExpress said: you dont "upgrade" myers with anderrson. I dont know if anyone understands yet, but they will this year. Myers is an offensive defenseman. Meaning, he needs someone beside him he can trust (Soucy). This allows him to attack the oncoming player & puck and he causes turnovers. When Myers was paired with OEL or even QH he was constantly having to defend the 2 on 1, the 3 on 1. and not to mention there was no Demko so he had to play goalie. Last season he was just used correctly. (good coaching) With the cap pressure gone this season, Myers will likely blow the fans socks off. If Mcdonalds dropped the price of a quarter pounder 50% I bet it would be your go-to... and then if they give you a Baconator instead.... at the same price? I hope he does, not sure if it's just the price though; and with your fast food analogy, context is still key; if I was craving for a full meal, the quarter pounder still might not be able to fill the role of a proper full-sized burger even if there's a discount and I'm happy with the price, so if there was a full-fledged Baconator I think we should be willing to afford it. Same with Myers, if he can only afford to bite a quarter-pounder's size worth of competition I don't think we should slot him for a Baconator role, or the experience will be underwhelming. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted September 11 Share Posted September 11 On 9/10/2024 at 2:33 AM, EastCoastExpress said: Exactly, we are very deep on RD, especially if Descharnais goes from Calgary Zadorov to Vancouver Zadorov. However I think on LD, Hronek needs a Defensive Defensman so he can go do his thing comfortably. And D-petey looks like the right (left) guy, Size, hits, swagger. I dont dream of a trade or another dman project, I want our youth to come up. DPetey and Juuleson.... what else do we really need? Juulson can be QH "bull in the china shop" in the dzone, who gets the puck to Hughes to break out. Dpetey can be Hronek's "bull in the china shop" in the dzone, who gets the puck to Hronek to break out. That's the ideal scenario. This year we are in flux mode still. Reminds me a lot of the early WCE days, guys like Strudwick tried, Allen too, Sopel had his moments. Expectations were somewhat met internally as far as games played, but definitely not as far as what we hoped for (Allen in particular). McCabe actually left a pretty big hole, as did Aucion. We don't want to just be not bad, we want to be very good. QHs is special, he still needs help though. Hronek is the only other eye popping D. Really wish we signed Zadarov. Comparing this D corp to the 2011 one, QHs and Desharnais or Juulsen, for sure isn't Edler and Erhoff, and more so not Hamhuis/Bieksa. We Soucy and Myers < any of those pairings too although not much worse then Salo Ballard or whomever. D-Petey is forecasted as a 2025-2026 best case, Willander too. Third pairing to start. Personally wanted Zadarov playing with QHs on his off side, or forming a pair with Hronek. We for sure aren't paying the cap we could on our D either. Quite a bit less than other top teams. There is room for another guy in the 4-5 range. We need our third guy, and right now don't have one. It's not much different then last years start. Soucy and Myers are decent 5's. Been tasked as it is, to play top four. Splitting up QHs and Hronek is also wise, they got pounded on in the post season. Targeted heavily. Not at all opposed to QHs Juulsen if he's ready. Or even trying out Desharnias. Soucy Hronek is almost a no brainer. One things for sure, Tochett has his work cut out for him again. That's our main power, if he can get to the new guys, the same way he got to almost everyone else on the team, we don't have much to worry about other then a healthy Demko. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted September 11 Share Posted September 11 (edited) 6 hours ago, Phil_314 said: I hope he does, not sure if it's just the price though; and with your fast food analogy, context is still key; if I was craving for a full meal, the quarter pounder still might not be able to fill the role of a proper full-sized burger even if there's a discount and I'm happy with the price, so if there was a full-fledged Baconator I think we should be willing to afford it. Same with Myers, if he can only afford to bite a quarter-pounder's size worth of competition I don't think we should slot him for a Baconator role, or the experience will be underwhelming. I like Myers. He became the whipping boy, thanks to Edler moving on. The first year we added Myers and Miller, we played 17 playoff games (albeit an odd way to do it). It certainly matters adding another legit NHL D, to running with only Edler and Tanev for years. It was the worst stretch of defenseman, this clubs ever had by a long shot. Relying on Hutton and Stetcher as a second pairing? It's no wonder Edler won as @Alflives says, the Green Jacket. Was he a leaky bad defenseman? Of course not, it happens to D's often enough during down cycle's. He just needed help. Ideally before he turned 33/34 or so, but better late than never. Context matters for sure. When it comes to Myers, he's had a few good seasons with us. And both post seasons he mattered. Probably cost EDM a cup, and in the bubble, was the only guy aside from Motte, who could do anything at all against Vegas. QHs and Stetcher were purposely targeted by their big forwards. Patches and Stone each could have scored a half dozen or so goals. Demko too. Myers at half the cap is a boon. He's settled down, and his value amps up when it matters (post season). Also pretty sure that Tochett is splitting up Hronek and QHs. QHs Myers didn't work before, but maybe it would under Tochett? For sure he's the next best option after Hronek. Edit: Also like the Soucy Myers pairing. Certainly would be great, if that was our third pairing. One thing is at least the new guys can take some of the PK minutes. Edited September 11 by IBatch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 11 Share Posted September 11 We might acquire a guy like Anderson later in the year. But it’s far more likely the guy is a coming UFA than he has term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonkers Posted September 11 Share Posted September 11 What would it cost to get rid of Poolman contract? Dream scenario would be to use that cap space on trade deadline to go after a puck moving D on our left side, unless our current defence overperform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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