[Speculation] Insider Reveals How High NY Rangers Willing To Go For Shesterkin Extension

[RWJC]

Insider Reveals How High NY Rangers Willing To Go For Shesterkin Extension

 

Dave Litman 

Tuesday, September 24, 2024 

 

So just how high are the New York Rangers willing to go to get goaltender Igor Shesterkin signed to an extension? We know that the former Vezina Trophy winner wants to become the highest-paid goaltender in NHL history. That would mean topping the $10.5 million by Carey Price which is the current standard. 
 

And according to insider Pierre LeBrun of The Athletic and TSN Insiders, the Blueshirts are ready to accommodate that... But "There’s a limit to how far the Rangers will go."

 

“This much we know from talking to league sources: The Rangers have indicated to Shesterkin’s camp that they’re willing to pay him more than Price’s $10.5 million AAV and thus make him the highest-paid goalie in league history.”

 

So, if they're willing to go higher than the $10.5M and make him the highest-paid goalie of all time, what's the holdup? 
 

“So the question is, what will it take to get it done? Would $11.5 million? Or $12 million? Or $12.5 million? Or $13 million? There’s a limit to how far the Rangers will go. They’ve got other players to worry about over the next few years.”

 

We revealed this week in a report from the New York Post that the Shesterkin camp has reportedly set a $12 million AAV as its price point. 

 

But the other issue dogging the Blueshirts on this front is the fact that Shesterkin has made it known he does not want discussions to extend into the new season. 

 

So this is "time sensitive", as LeBrun notes. 
 

The countdown is on to October 9th, as the Rangers try to prevent their most important player from hitting unrestricted free agency next July.

 

https://www.nhltraderumors.me/2024/09/insider-reveals-how-high-ny-rangers.html

[Devron]

Seems dumb but then again Bobrovski won the cup with an atrocious salary 

[Coconuts]

He could probably get 12 on the open market, wouldn't be surprised to see him stick around for 11-11.5

[Master Mind]

I'm guessing he'll get 10.6m, so that he becomes the highest paid goalie.

 

Similar to MacKinnon getting 12.6m to pass McDavid's 12.5m

[Lewlowned]

2 minutes ago, Master Mind said:

I'm guessing he'll get 10.6m, so that he becomes the highest paid goalie.

 

Similar to MacKinnon getting 12.6m to pass McDavid's 12.5m

Seems like he wants more than that though, no? Otherwise wouldn’t the deal be done?

 

I thought Rangers have openly said they are willing to offer him a contract that makes him the highest paid goalie.

[Master Mind]

5 minutes ago, Lewlowned said:

Seems like he wants more than that though, no? Otherwise wouldn’t the deal be done?

 

I thought Rangers have openly said they are willing to offer him a contract that makes him the highest paid goalie.

 

I'm sure he wants more, but I'm guessing that's the number he'll eventually sign at.

[JeremyCuddles]

Florida has kind of ruined the goalie market/contract perception. Cause now we can look at it like "You can win a cup with a 10mil goalie." Lol. Now that guys are getting paid more. Reinhart specifically. They have no RW depth and they lost Montour and OEL. You can win with a bad contract if your other contracts are really good to make up for it. Montour was making pennies compared to what he was worth. But they aren't going to win with that contract now. NY can't really afford to pay Shesterkin 11-12mil and contend. They can barely afford to ice their roster now. Unless they can move Trouba and take literally no cap back.

[Jester13]

Pass. Way too much for a goalie. I prefer depth.

[Alflives]

Hate the Raggedy Andy’s. Hope they friggin’ implode. F that team, city, and fans. 

[RWJC]

Lindgren out a few weeks with what appears to be a major concussion after getting KO’d last game by Mayfield of the Isles. Lots of pressure in NYR right now 

 

 

Edited September 26 by RWJC

[Canuckpuckluck1]

Does anyone think the Demko injuries might be somewhat of a blessing for the Canucks in that they could use it as a leveraging position to negotiating a contract that doesnt hamstring them when it comes to re-signing Demko?

The fact that he cant stay healthy for a full season means they dont have to pay him as much?

For an example Demko at $10M with potential downtime to injuries doesnt sit well with me, but Demko at say 7.5M is ok ( based on current goalie pricing trends)

Admittedly there is still two full seasons before a decision MUST be made.

[RWJC]

9 minutes ago, Canuckpuckluck1 said:

Does anyone think the Demko injuries might be somewhat of a blessing for the Canucks in that they could use it as a leveraging position to negotiating a contract that doesnt hamstring them when it comes to re-signing Demko?

The fact that he cant stay healthy for a full season means they dont have to pay him as much?

For an example Demko at $10M with potential downtime to injuries doesnt sit well with me, but Demko at say 7.5M is ok ( based on current goalie pricing trends)

Admittedly there is still two full seasons before a decision MUST be made.

JR and co will definitely be using it to some advantage in negotiations. Could bode well for us but given the ritual improvements in the team in front of him, means even at a discount it bodes well for Demmer too 

[wai_lai416]

On 9/25/2024 at 6:27 PM, Canuckpuckluck1 said:

Does anyone think the Demko injuries might be somewhat of a blessing for the Canucks in that they could use it as a leveraging position to negotiating a contract that doesnt hamstring them when it comes to re-signing Demko?

The fact that he cant stay healthy for a full season means they dont have to pay him as much?

For an example Demko at $10M with potential downtime to injuries doesnt sit well with me, but Demko at say 7.5M is ok ( based on current goalie pricing trends)

Admittedly there is still two full seasons before a decision MUST be made.

why do u think it's a blessing? do you think demko say if the open market is 10mil is going to go to the canucks and say yes because i'm always injured i'll take 7.5mil? in 2 years time the cap would have gone up even more than it have.. there's almost 0 chance it'll be anything below saros in terms of cap %... they can say all the crap about wanting to win a cup.. who took less to stay with the team?? dont give me the Miller crap.. he took maybe 500k less than the open market for him at the time.. he might be exceeding his contract currently but that doesn't = he took less.. look at drai.. he say all the things about wanting to win.. then takes a massive max contract ensuring no crumbs are left for others.. players will take less for an opportunity to earn more down the line.. but you very rarely will find a player take less on their final payday contract.

[IBatch]

On 9/25/2024 at 8:03 PM, JeremyCuddles said:

Florida has kind of ruined the goalie market/contract perception. Cause now we can look at it like "You can win a cup with a 10mil goalie." Lol. Now that guys are getting paid more. Reinhart specifically. They have no RW depth and they lost Montour and OEL. You can win with a bad contract if your other contracts are really good to make up for it. Montour was making pennies compared to what he was worth. But they aren't going to win with that contract now. NY can't really afford to pay Shesterkin 11-12mil and contend. They can barely afford to ice their roster now. Unless they can move Trouba and take literally no cap back.

And at least Bobrovsky had won a couple Vezina's, and played out of his mind beating one of the best regular seasons all-time (much like Irbe did to the Wings in the mid 90s).    Shesterkin is considered a top five goalie, one of the best, but good grief that's absolutely ridiculous.   He's not a Martin Broduer, or Luongo, or Carey Price (who for a couple years was considered maybe the best player on the planet regardless of position).   This won't be a good benchmark for other goalies in the top five conversation.    He hasn't really done enough to be considered number two in the league as is. 

 

  As for us, NHL.com writers had Demko at 10.   Which probably pisses some fans off, but the reality is, way too often does a goalie have a one off season, it takes repetition and consistency to get the mantle as a perennial top goalie in this league.   Look at Markstrom for example.  Corey Schneider too.   It's extremely rare to get a Rinne even.   Vasilevsky ...  Hellebuyck for sure is the best of the group right now.   Plays 60-65 games like clockwork.    If he can't command that type of dough, the Rangers have zero business signing a deal like this.   Sorokin in NYI might be the better goaltender, or close to his equal, Swayman, Ullmark, Oettinger, Demko,  Sarros, etc.. it's irresponsible.   

 

Yes he's had ONE, amazing season.  And a couple pedestrian ones for a top ten goalie, 8 and 4 ranked by the league, and the 4th was possibly reputation (last season).    Hasn't played 60 games once.   A normal age starter for elite these days (24 tryout season, 25 starter),  sophomore season won the Vezina.     The NYR will go from contender to meh pretty quick after giving a goalie 12 million.     He's no Carey Price.  

 

Edit:  Demko was ranked 3rd by the Hockey Writers.   The point is it's a fickle position, and unless your a perennial Vezina candidate,  it makes zero sense to pay super-star money to get a little bit more then you can from guys making half as much. 

Edited September 27 by IBatch

[IBatch]

4 hours ago, wai_lai416 said:

why do u think it's a blessing? do you think demko say if the open market is 10mil is going to go to the canucks and say yes because i'm always injured i'll take 7.5mil? in 2 years time the cap would have gone up even more than it have.. there's almost 0 chance it'll be anything below saros in terms of cap %... they can say all the crap about wanting to win a cup.. who took less to stay with the team?? dont give me the Miller crap.. he took maybe 500k less than the open market for him at the time.. he might be exceeding his contract currently but that doesn't = he took less.. look at drai.. he say all the things about wanting to win.. then takes a massive max contract ensuring no crumbs are left for others.. players will take less for an opportunity to earn more down the line.. but you very rarely will find a player take less on their final payday contract.

Miller absolutely is one of those very rare players.   Brass didn't think they had a shot at signing him for something reasonable, Miller's camp approached them.   Believe they were planning to trade Miller and sign Horvat.   Then Miller left enough on the table for both (considering Kadri's summer deal).  15 was enough to sign both, after Miller signed ... and a 7 x 8 deal should have been enough for Horvat.   One guy took a discount, the other went for the dough.    Media had Miller's contract starting with a 9.    High 8's best case.   Nobody was anticipating a deal like that.   And by percentage 500k-one million is a significant amount.   1/16th-1/8th in salary.    Skinner and a boatload of guys cashed out come open market day within a couple years or that summer ... flat cap or not.    

 

JT Miller paced the best in the game with Bruce, his standard PPG with Green while the rest of the team aside from Garland floundered terribly upfront.   80-120 point pace.  Settled on 99.   Two of his first three years, got Hart votes..gets some Selke votes as well.    And twice voted as 7th best center in the league before he signed his legacy deal, two of his first 3 years with us.   You can bet he let more than 500k on the table.   Double digits were floated (and ridiculous), but were floated after his 99 point effort.    The brass didn't think they had a shot of keeping him within their overall strategy, it shifted quickly once they saw what he was willing to take.   It is very rare.   Which is too bad.   Thankfully for us, he did though.   

Edited September 27 by IBatch

[Alflives]

4 hours ago, wai_lai416 said:

why do u think it's a blessing? do you think demko say if the open market is 10mil is going to go to the canucks and say yes because i'm always injured i'll take 7.5mil? in 2 years time the cap would have gone up even more than it have.. there's almost 0 chance it'll be anything below saros in terms of cap %... they can say all the crap about wanting to win a cup.. who took less to stay with the team?? dont give me the Miller crap.. he took maybe 500k less than the open market for him at the time.. he might be exceeding his contract currently but that doesn't = he took less.. look at drai.. he say all the things about wanting to win.. then takes a massive max contract ensuring no crumbs are left for others.. players will take less for an opportunity to earn more down the line.. but you very rarely will find a player take less on their final payday contract.

Miller definitely took less in both yearly cap allocation and term. If we offered Demko 7 mil x six years right now he’d jump on that like Draisatl on McDonalds French fry. 

[wai_lai416]

2 hours ago, Alflives said:

Miller definitely took less in both yearly cap allocation and term. If we offered Demko 7 mil x six years right now he’d jump on that like Draisatl on McDonalds French fry. 

He took less in years for sure but he was not worth more than a zibanjed at the time and I’ll rank zib higher defensively. So he prolly left 500k-1mil. Sure I’ll agree with that. If we offer demko 7x6 and tell him that’s the final offer. He’ll prolly request a trade next day lol. He’s going to be getting at least 8.5 unless he falls off a cliff the next 2 season. 

[erkayloomeh]

On 9/25/2024 at 12:48 PM, Master Mind said:

 

I'm sure he wants more, but I'm guessing that's the number he'll eventually sign at.

Just start a rumor he's getting traded to oilers . He'll sign 

[IBatch]

4 hours ago, wai_lai416 said:

He took less in years for sure but he was not worth more than a zibanjed at the time and I’ll rank zib higher defensively. So he prolly left 500k-1mil. Sure I’ll agree with that. If we offer demko 7x6 and tell him that’s the final offer. He’ll prolly request a trade next day lol. He’s going to be getting at least 8.5 unless he falls off a cliff the next 2 season. 

Zibanejad had a game against us in OTT early on as their second line center that blew my socks off.   A lot of not blowing socks off too though.   I think he's an interesting comp for Miller, not a good comp as far as the player himself is.   Points absolutely decent comp, how they play not really at all.  

 

 As far as defensive play he was meh compared to Stone and even Pageau while in OTT,  did his job, , the part that rubbed me a little wrong was the kid seemed to have size but wouldn't use it.   Unless he had the puck, then you'd see some muscling.    

 

On paper it's kind of similar but have to wonder how Miller would do with Panarin, the guy who resurrected Patrick Kane's career for a spell.      Instead he's got Brock and whomever.   And Miller had to teach both EP and Brock what dumping it in the corner and retrieval meant.  

 

Don't think you're giving Miller quite enough credit.    But do think you've pretty much nailed the area for JT Miller.  Personally am stoked we have Miller, and think he's earned a lot of respect from us fans.    Especially since we haven't had someone quite like him before.   Has some edge to his toolbox and like Kesler, seems to give not give two shits about anything but winning.    Which is kind of the point. 

Edited September 27 by IBatch

[spook007]

19 hours ago, wai_lai416 said:

He took less in years for sure but he was not worth more than a zibanjed at the time and I’ll rank zib higher defensively. So he prolly left 500k-1mil. Sure I’ll agree with that. If we offer demko 7x6 and tell him that’s the final offer. He’ll prolly request a trade next day lol. He’s going to be getting at least 8.5 unless he falls off a cliff the next 2 season. 

If Demko wants $8.5M I see him being traded...

Not paying a goalie $8.5M, if he's injury prone. Can see $7-7.5... Don't know where they'll find the money to give him $8.5, if we keep Boeser as well... 

Thankfully we have a replacement in Silovs, who, while maybe not quite at Demkos level, will cost half only... Money matters.

 

[wai_lai416]

49 minutes ago, spook007 said:

If Demko wants $8.5M I see him being traded...

Not paying a goalie $8.5M, if he's injury prone. Can see $7-7.5... Don't know where they'll find the money to give him $8.5, if we keep Boeser as well... 

Thankfully we have a replacement in Silovs, who, while maybe not quite at Demkos level, will cost half only... Money matters.

 

yup but with the cap going u pprolly another 4-5mil by the time his contract will kick in.. there's no chance he'll come in cheaper than saros.. 8.5mil would be more equivalent to 9-9.25mil.. in 2 years time.. 7-7.5 would be a slap to the face.. he'll be behind price bob saros hally vasy shesterkin and prolly swayman.. and he's prolly better than bob saros swayman.. the other issue is though the canucks like to play a turtle style of game and let the other team take it to them offensively.. they might need to invest on goalie just to keep them in the game.. look at our playoff last season.. we hardly generate anything offensively.. it's like they are ok with winning 1-0 2-1.. so we kinda need an elite goalie to be able to play that style.

[spook007]

3 hours ago, wai_lai416 said:

yup but with the cap going u pprolly another 4-5mil by the time his contract will kick in.. there's no chance he'll come in cheaper than saros.. 8.5mil would be more equivalent to 9-9.25mil.. in 2 years time.. 7-7.5 would be a slap to the face.. he'll be behind price bob saros hally vasy shesterkin and prolly swayman.. and he's prolly better than bob saros swayman.. the other issue is though the canucks like to play a turtle style of game and let the other team take it to them offensively.. they might need to invest on goalie just to keep them in the game.. look at our playoff last season.. we hardly generate anything offensively.. it's like they are ok with winning 1-0 2-1.. so we kinda need an elite goalie to be able to play that style.

I like Demko as much as anyone here, but I just don't see, where we'll find the money?

Peteys and Hroneks raise, Boeser will get a raise, OEL cap penalty going up to £5M and then Hughes needs a monster raise... Do we have enough funds to pay Demko $8.5M... I think, his injury may hold management back... how much remains to be seen. Maybe a short term contract until the OEL cap pen eases?

[wai_lai416]

9 hours ago, spook007 said:

I like Demko as much as anyone here, but I just don't see, where we'll find the money?

Peteys and Hroneks raise, Boeser will get a raise, OEL cap penalty going up to £5M and then Hughes needs a monster raise... Do we have enough funds to pay Demko $8.5M... I think, his injury may hold management back... how much remains to be seen. Maybe a short term contract until the OEL cap pen eases?

They will just have to figure it out by having a bunch of minimum contract bottom d and bottom 6 like other teams instead of the boat load we have invested on bottom 6 and bottom pairing. We are near the top of the league in bottom 6 and bottom pairing defenceman. 

[IBatch]

On 9/28/2024 at 7:48 AM, wai_lai416 said:

yup but with the cap going u pprolly another 4-5mil by the time his contract will kick in.. there's no chance he'll come in cheaper than saros.. 8.5mil would be more equivalent to 9-9.25mil.. in 2 years time.. 7-7.5 would be a slap to the face.. he'll be behind price bob saros hally vasy shesterkin and prolly swayman.. and he's prolly better than bob saros swayman.. the other issue is though the canucks like to play a turtle style of game and let the other team take it to them offensively.. they might need to invest on goalie just to keep them in the game.. look at our playoff last season.. we hardly generate anything offensively.. it's like they are ok with winning 1-0 2-1.. so we kinda need an elite goalie to be able to play that style.

We absolutely were in it against EDM, and possibly made it to round 3 if Brock was playing in game 7.    No elite goaltending, aside from one game from Silovs.    It was serviceable.   No we didn't generate enough shots, also feel that's because we didn't have Demko, or even De-Smith.   The team sucked the life out of EDM 5 x 5,  it wasn't the same as the actual "turtle" style we played against Vegas in the bubble.    Absolutely we needed something from EPs line.    Unfortunately, that never came. 

[IBatch]

On 9/28/2024 at 8:25 PM, wai_lai416 said:

They will just have to figure it out by having a bunch of minimum contract bottom d and bottom 6 like other teams instead of the boat load we have invested on bottom 6 and bottom pairing. We are near the top of the league in bottom 6 and bottom pairing defenceman. 

Compared to whom?  Not Florida's cup winning team.   Or Dallas who've had Benn in their bottom six now for a couple years.   That's two contenders.   Both no state tax teams too.   What do you think is fair for a middle six player,  or a bottom pairing D?   League minimums throughout?   We get great value from Bluegar, Suter, not sure how it will work with Joshua and his raise, he for sure earned it though, and it came in lower then analytics predicted.     Sprong?  That's a cheap one there.   Desharnais cost us a roster spot really, Forbot the same.    If you mean we've got a glut of bottom six guys that's correct, a lot of them will be in Abby.    Juuslen, McWard and Wolonin round out our D depth nicely (Aman, Bains, Raty, Lekkermaki). 

 

Teams missing a top four NHL D.   As well as a 3C (although Raty is making a statement he might be close).      Garland is the only guy with much of a cap hit ... and it's not like he hasn't earned his paycheque either.     Gone are the days of expensive fillers.    Personally don't see us spending much at all on our bottom six or bottom pairings.   A little bit rich maybe for our third line, worth every cent last year and some.   Where we should be worried, is EP.   

Edited Wednesday at 01:07 PM by IBatch