Buffalo names Dahlin captain

[Coconuts]

https://www.nhl.com/sabres/news/buffalo-sabres-name-rasmus-dahlin-captain

[Alflives]

[Snoop Hogg]

I was hoping to get here before the spicy comments of @Alflives

[Coconuts]

Just now, Snoop Hogg said:

I was hoping to get here before the spicy comments of @Alflives

 

I knew he'd probably be the first person to post as soon as I made the thread 

 

Alf and Dahlin are besties that way 

[Alflives]

Just now, Snoop Hogg said:

I was hoping to get here before the spicy comments of @Alflives

I’m wondering if the Sabres will stitch a “C” on Dahlin’s Green Jackets? 

[Ghostsof1915]

Despite what Alf might think. Dahlin is a solid player, and I think that's a logical choice. 

[Snoop Hogg]

4 minutes ago, Alflives said:

I’m wondering if the Sabres will stitch a “C” on Dahlin’s Green Jackets? 

They stitched one on Boone Jenner’s blue jackets…

[Coconuts]

14 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

Despite what Alf might think. Dahlin is a solid player, and I think that's a logical choice. 

 

Of all current Sabres I'm pretty sure he's played the most games for the franchise, with him being in his mid 20's and locked in long-term he's absolutely the guy who makes the most sense

 

He is their leader on the ice and he's undoubtedly the guy who has the biggest impact on their success, if Buffalo is to get back to being a playoff team sooner than later he'll probably be the primary driver 

 

He's their Hughes in a way 

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, Coconuts said:

 

Of all current Sabres I'm pretty sure he's played the most games for the franchise, with him being in his mid 20's and locked in long-term he's absolutely the guy who makes the most sense

 

He is their leader on the ice and he's undoubtedly the guy who has the biggest impact on their success, if Buffalo is to get back to being a playoff team sooner than later he'll probably be the primary driver 

 

He's their Hughes in a way 

Dahlin is what we had in Horfat Wallet. A guy who cheats the game for offence, and demands a max dollar (way overpay) contract is not a player to build around. Sabres will continue to be a loser team; now led by a loser captain. 

[Coconuts]

1 minute ago, Alflives said:

Dahlin is what we had in Horfat Wallet. A guy who cheats the game for offence, and demands a max dollar (way overpay) contract is not a player to build around. Sabres will continue to be a loser team; now led by a loser captain. 

 

Dahlin ain't as bad defensively as you make him out to be, and he eats up a lot of minutes for Buffalo, Buffalo's having been a losing team doesn't mean he's not a quality player

 

He was 5th in average time on ice for D last season, averaging 25:25 a night, more than Hughes's 24:41, and averaged 1:11 shorthanded a game, more than Hughes's average of 35 seconds per game; his PK results weren't amazing last season but these things can ebb and flow a bit 

 

As for powerplay time, Hughes averaged 3:55 per game whereas Dahlin averaged 3:01

 

He's a legit #1 for Buffalo 

 

As for his contract, he got market value for what he's done thus far, Hughes will too and that'll probably eclipse 12M 

 

 

 

[Alflives]

5 minutes ago, Coconuts said:

 

Dahlin ain't as bad defensively as you make him out to be, and he eats up a lot of minutes for Buffalo, Buffalo's having been a losing team doesn't mean he's not a quality player

 

He was 5th in average time on ice for D last season, averaging 25:25 a night, more than Hughes's 24:41, and averaged 1:11 shorthanded a game, more than Hughes's average of 35 seconds per game; his PK results weren't amazing last season but these things can ebb and flow a bit 

 

As for powerplay time, Hughes averaged 3:55 per game whereas Dahlin averaged 3:01

 

He's a legit #1 for Buffalo 

 

As for his contract, he got market value for what he's done thus far, Hughes will too and that'll probably eclipse 12M 

 

 

 

Dahlin sucks pucks. In redraft he is the fourth D man taken after Hughes, Bouchard, and Dobson. The guy is a dough head. 

[Ghostsof1915]

I bet if Dahlin sent Alf a case of scotch. He'd say he was the best D-man in the league.

[Coconuts]

12 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Dahlin sucks pucks. In redraft he is the fourth D man taken after Hughes, Bouchard, and Dobson. The guy is a dough head. 

 

He'd probably go second behind Hughes, that's not an insult to Dahlin, we both know what kind of player Hughes is 

 

He's proven more than either Bouchard or Dobson thus far and his lengthier track record shows it, he's entering his seventh full season whereas this will be Bouchard's fourth

 

Whether Bouchard would go ahead of Dobson again is anyone's guess, considering who Bouchard plays with their totals ain't all that far off the past three seasons

 

Dobson's put up 70 in 79, 49 in 78, and 51 in 80 the past three seasons whereas Bouchard has put up 82 in 81, 40 in 82, and 43 in 81

 

Dahlin's already put up five 40+ point seasons with three of those being 50+ seasons 

 

Edited September 26 by Coconuts

[Elias Pettersson]

32 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Dahlin sucks pucks. In redraft he is the fourth D man taken after Hughes, Bouchard, and Dobson. The guy is a dough head. 

 

I agree with you on Dobson.  I’d take him over Dahlin.  Right shot Dmen are more valuable then left shot all other things being close to equal.

[Alflives]

20 minutes ago, Coconuts said:

 

He'd probably go second behind Hughes, that's not an insult to Dahlin, we both know what kind of player Hughes is 

 

He's proven more than either Bouchard or Dobson thus far and his lengthier track record shows it, he's entering his seventh full season whereas this will be Bouchard's fourth

 

Whether Bouchard would go ahead of Dobson again is anyone's guess, considering who Bouchard plays with their totals ain't all that far off the past three seasons

 

Dobson's put up 70 in 79, 49 in 78, and 51 in 80 the past three seasons whereas Bouchard has put up 82 in 81, 40 in 82, and 43 in 81

 

Dahlin's already put up five 40+ point seasons with three of those being 50+ seasons 

 

Dahlin career is dash 70. There’s a big reason why the Sabres suck pucks. And he’s it. He’s a cheater for offence. And he’s a dough head. Bad combination in a player to lead your team if a club wants to win. 

[Gurn]

2018-19- Dahlin's first year the Sabres were -45 in goal differential.

19-20                                                                 -22

20-21                                                                 -61

21-22                                                                 -58

22-23                                                                 -4

23-24                                                                  +2

 

If your team sucks- your stats likely suck too.

[Alflives]

7 minutes ago, Gurn said:

2018-19- Dahlin's first year the Sabres were -45 in goal differential.

19-20                                                                 -22

20-21                                                                 -61

21-22                                                                 -58

22-23                                                                 -4

23-24                                                                  +2

 

If your team sucks- your stats likely suck too.

Wow! Those numbers make Dahlin even worse than I thought. He’s minus 150! That’s winning, I guess, in Buffalo.  Good for ice fishing. 

[Gurn]

6 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Wow! Those numbers make Dahlin even worse than I thought. He’s minus 150! That’s winning, I guess, in Buffalo.  Good for ice fishing. 

you are seeing what you want to see, not what is actually there.

[Alflives]

2 minutes ago, Gurn said:

you are seeing what you want to see, not what is actually there.

Watch him play and you will see too. A dough head who cheats the game.

[Gurn]

13 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Watch him play and you will see too. A dough head who cheats the game.

I do watch him.

Part of why I see him differently, is I don't drink myself into a stupor while watching.

[Alflives]

2 minutes ago, Gurn said:

I do watch him.

Part of why I see him differently, is I don't drink myself into a stupor while watching.

Alf is off his game if he isn’t in a drunken stupor by game time. 

[Bell]

Seems like the logical choice.  I am not understanding the hate Alf gives this guy.  He is their no1 dman and leader

[Coconuts]

1 hour ago, Alflives said:

Dahlin career is dash 70. There’s a big reason why the Sabres suck pucks. And he’s it. He’s a cheater for offence. And he’s a dough head. Bad combination in a player to lead your team if a club wants to win. 

 

Plenty has been written about how flawed a stat plus/minus is, all one has to do is do a simple google search and explanations go back over a decade 

 

It's not a stat one should use to paint the entire picture, if one wants to really dig into a player's performance there are better ways of doing so as opposed to relying on the flawed and simplistic plus/minus. There are better ways to look at player's performance than plus/minus. 

 

This is a good place to start reading. 

 

https://www.arcticicehockey.com/why-plus-minus-is-the-worst-statistic-in-hockey-1551247086/

 

Folks have been criticizing this stat since the 70's. Brian Burke calls it the most useless statistic ever devised.

 

“[It is] the most useless statistic ever devised,” says Brian Burke, President of Hockey Operations for the Calgary Flames. “It’s pretty simple. If your team stinks, so does your plus-minus. And it’s compounded if you play against the opposition’s top players.”

 

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/just-doesnt-add-history-future-plus-minus/

 

Here's another one.

 

https://hockey-graphs.com/2016/11/01/behind-the-numbers-why-plusminus-is-the-worst-statistic-in-hockey-and-should-be-abolished/

 

And another one.

 

https://puckprose.com/2018/07/30/hockey-analytics-ditching-plus-minus/

 

 

 

Edited September 26 by Coconuts

[Alflives]

27 minutes ago, Coconuts said:

 

Plenty has been written about how flawed a stat plus/minus is, all one has to do is do a simple google search and explanations go back over a decade 

 

It's not a stat one should use to paint the entire picture, if one wants to really dig into a player's performance there are better ways of doing so as opposed to relying on the flawed and simplistic plus/minus. There are better ways to look at player's performance than plus/minus. 

 

This is a good place to start reading. 

 

https://www.arcticicehockey.com/why-plus-minus-is-the-worst-statistic-in-hockey-1551247086/

 

Folks have been criticizing this stat since the 70's. Brian Burke calls it the most useless statistic ever devised.

 

“[It is] the most useless statistic ever devised,” says Brian Burke, President of Hockey Operations for the Calgary Flames. “It’s pretty simple. If your team stinks, so does your plus-minus. And it’s compounded if you play against the opposition’s top players.”

 

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/just-doesnt-add-history-future-plus-minus/

 

Here's another one.

 

https://hockey-graphs.com/2016/11/01/behind-the-numbers-why-plusminus-is-the-worst-statistic-in-hockey-and-should-be-abolished/

 

And another one.

 

https://puckprose.com/2018/07/30/hockey-analytics-ditching-plus-minus/

 

 

 

You know who cares about +/-? The players do. They know how important that stat is. 

[GrammaInTheTub]

I love seeing @Alflives get into mid-season form with the shtick and comments in pre-season. Just like our squad - worked hard in the offseason and came prepared!