Déjà Vu Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 (edited) Not sure if theres a topic/thread for this, but found this interesting n Friday morning’s episode of Donnie & Dhali — The Team, CHEK TV‘s Don Taylor and Rick Dhaliwal discussed the recent news about former Vancouver Canucks goaltending coach Ian Clark that Elliotte Friedman discussed on 32 Thoughts — The Podcast. Friedman mentioned that Clark may look to move on from the organization if given the Canucks’ blessing. The noise surrounding Clark began in late August when the Canucks announced that he had asked for a new position (Goaltending Coach and Director of Goaltending) with the team and will now serve as a goalie scout and goaltending development coach. Clark is considered one of the highest respected goaltending coaches in the league, so the news is shocking as it looked like a demotion. Here is what Dhaliwal had to say regarding the matter: “I said last week, I will not be surprised if the Canucks give him permission to talk to other team. Now we’re hearing he’s been linked to the [New Jersey] Devils – I could throw some teams out there, but I’m not going to.” “Look at his resume and respect around the league and you tell me he should be a goalie scout. He shouldn’t be a goalie scout. He should be the director of goaltending. I think that’s the title he wanted, but the Canucks gave him a title of goalie scout – he wasn’t even at training camp, why was he not at training camp?” After playing a clip from Friedman, the two discussed if the Canucks relationship with Ian Clark has gone in a bad direction. “I can confirm that,” Dhaliwal said. “I don’t think the relationship is in a good state. I think it’s definitely soured. There’s a lot of things at play here. One is the demotion to goalie scout.” “It was his decision, by the way. Let’s get one thing straight: It was him going to the Canucks and saying, ‘My shoulders, my knees, I can’t do the goalie coach every day.’ One thing that started hearing whispers [of] in the media, that he was to blame for the Demko situation. He was to blame for overworking Demko. He was to blame for Demko’s current situation. I don’t know if that’s necessarily true. You have a ton of coaches that have overplayed Demko. You can’t put this all on Ian Clark.” While Clark’s relationship with the Canucks may have soured, it doesn’t sound like there is any ill-will between Clark and head coach Rick Tocchet. “One guy in the Canucks organization that absolutely loves Ian Clark and thinks he’s doing a great job is Rick Tocchet. I haven’t heard that there’s issues with Tocchet and Clark. I just heard that Tocchet respects him, and he likes the job he’s doing.” Dhaliwal ended by highlighting what Clark has meant to this franchise and where their relationship currently sits. “He drafted [Arturs] Silovs. When Casey DeSmith was ready to play against Nashville, it was Ian Clark who said ‘No, no, no, no, no, we’re sticking with Silovs’. Major, major decisions have been made by Ian Clark in this organization. But I don’t think they’re in a good state right now, Donnie. I think this relationship is a little bit sour.” Clark has an outstanding resume of producing high-end calibre goaltenders in the National Hockey League; Jacob Markstrom, Thatcher Demko and a promising Arturs Silovs. The suspicion seems to be growing that the long-time Canucks goaltending coach will likely continue to build that resume elsewhere. Dhaliwal: Canucks and Ian Clark’s relationship has 'definitely soured' (msn.com) Edited September 27 by Déjà Vu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 So is he upset he's not director of goaltending? I still question Dhali, he's not be as reliable as he was on WX/CityNews. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jess Posted September 27 Popular Post Share Posted September 27 “I said last week, I will not be surprised if the Canucks give him permission to talk to other team. Now we’re hearing he’s been linked to the [New Jersey] Devils – I could throw some teams out there, but I’m not going to.” "I just did a thing, but I won't do that thing I just did" - Dhaliwal 4 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoasting Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 That old saying “ where there is smoke there is fire “ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 Canucks management may have bungled things with Clark, and this management group doesn't typically do a whole lot of that. He's been very important to Canucks goaltending, perhaps they should have just let him do his thing, they've certainly expanded other aspects of the organization, they could have let Clark oversee the goaltending facet even if he isn't the guy who's going to be on the ice with the tenders. Canucks could certainly afford it. That being said, I understand the too many cooks argument. I wouldn't blame Clark for Demko, some of that's on management and coaching, and some of that's also on Demko. I question Dhaliwal's credibility at times but Friedman's credibility is firmly established. Ideally Clark stays imo, the relationship maybe having soured a bit doesn't mean things can't be worked out. At this point it really depends on what Clark actually wants. If he wants a bigger role maybe he does seek it elsewhere, but I'd prefer the Canucks shift things to involve him more if possible; sometimes it's better to simply accept there's egg on your face and adjust. 22:10 for those who want to listen for themselves. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 I wonder what really went on? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoasting Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 34 minutes ago, Bob Long said: I wonder what really went on? Yes iiwould really like to know how they messed this situation up, guy was one of the top goalie coaches! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 4 minutes ago, Westcoasting said: Yes iiwould really like to know how they messed this situation up, guy was one of the top goalie coaches! It's possible that Clark just wants new challenges too, not sure we need a screw up. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 5 minutes ago, Westcoasting said: Yes iiwould really like to know how they messed this situation up, guy was one of the top goalie coaches! Didn’t Clarke ask for the new role because of personal reasons? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 1 minute ago, Bob Long said: It's possible that Clark just wants new challenges too, not sure we need a screw up. But that doesn't fit the narrative.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reg Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 My thinking if Clark doesn't have his heart in the Canucks any longer (whatever the reason) than it is time to cut him loose. Both parties need to move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoasting Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 13 minutes ago, Bob Long said: It's possible that Clark just wants new challenges too, not sure we need a screw up. Possibly but I have a hard time believing that being a goalie scout is his dream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoasting Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 14 minutes ago, Alflives said: Didn’t Clarke ask for the new role because of personal reasons? Im sure that’s what the pr dept said…you think he will like not being in charge of goaltending? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baratheon Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 1 hour ago, Jess said: “I said last week, I will not be surprised if the Canucks give him permission to talk to other team. Now we’re hearing he’s been linked to the [New Jersey] Devils – I could throw some teams out there, but I’m not going to.” "I just did a thing, but I won't do that thing I just did" - Dhaliwal It reads that way because it’s quoted wrong. What he actually said was that Elliotte Friedman had linked Clark to New Jersey. Dhaliwal said that he could add some other teams to the list but he won’t. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 1 minute ago, Westcoasting said: Im sure that’s what the pr dept said…you think he will like not being in charge of goaltending? Maybe not. Might be something going on in his personal life (or with his health) we don’t know about. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoasting Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 17 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said: But that doesn't fit the narrative.... But what is the narrative … Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 Just now, Westcoasting said: But what is the narrative … For Daliwal the narrative is always negative and controversial. That’s how he makes his living. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoasting Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 Just now, Alflives said: Maybe not. Might be something going on in his personal life (or with his health) we don’t know about. Could be, but you would think something would be said to explain it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 Just now, Westcoasting said: Could be, but you would think something would be said to explain it. True, but it could be something Clarke wants kept in-house. Daliwal is looking for drama. That’s his job. But he is just connecting dots and making a guess. The thing about Dhaliwal is his job depends on his guess stirring discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petey the Puck Whisperer Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 i pretty much ignore everything that moron says. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jess Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 10 minutes ago, Baratheon said: It reads that way because it’s quoted wrong. What he actually said was that Elliotte Friedman had linked Clark to New Jersey. Dhaliwal said that he could add some other teams to the list but he won’t. Thanks for the clarification! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 Anyone that believes everything the Canucks say is, very naive. Anyone that believes everything that Daliwahl says, is also very naive 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down By the River Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 1 hour ago, Westcoasting said: That old saying “ where there is smoke there is fire “ Except it is so annoying when media members say "where there is smoke there is fire" and then fail to consider the fact that the "smoke" was their own doing. Don Taylor, one of my absolute favorites of all time, is notorious for this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down By the River Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 I also do not think the relationship breakdown is surprising. Ian Clark couldn't fulfill his duties as a goaltending coach because he couldn't be on the ice. He wanted a promotion, the Canucks gave him a demotion. Not surprising things soured. Also not surprising that the Canucks might want to have a different voice. Coaches routinely lose their room after 3-4 years. Ian Clark has been around forever and it is hard to imagine more of a 1-1 coaching-player relationship than goalie coach and goalie. A new voice makes sense. It is not like Demko will forget everything Clark taught him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Déjà Vu Posted September 27 Author Share Posted September 27 (edited) Also posted here too It sounds like it’s just a matter of time before Ian Clark exits the Vancouver Canucks organization. The Canucks goalie guru told the team this summer he was unable to work on-ice every day as he had done in the past, due to wear-and-tear on the 58-year-old’s body. But instead of finding a new goalie coach and allowing Clark to keep his title, like like the New York Rangers did with Benoit Allaire, Clark was demoted from director of goaltending to goalie scout in August. Sounds like that may not be something Clark was thrilled about. “I don’t think this relationship’s in a good state. I think it’s definitely soured,” Canucks insider Rick Dhaliwal said on today’s edition of Donnie and Dhali. “There’s a lot of things at play here, and one is the demotion to goalie scout instead [of keeping him as the director of goaltending].” The Clark situation is “starting to pick up a little bit of noise,” according to Sportsnet’s Elliotte Friedman, who mused about his potential exit from Vancouver on the 32 Thoughts podcast. “I think that it’s known that Clark may move on, with the Canucks’ blessing,” said Friedman. “I think they’re not going to stand in the way here if an opportunity opens for him.” Friedman mentioned the New Jersey Devils as a potential landing spot for Clark, which is a natural given his past success with their starting goalie, Jacob Markstrom. Clark is one of the most experienced and respected goalie coaches in the NHL. His first stint with the Canucks organization was from 2002 to 2010, where he worked with Roberto Luongo. The Vancouver native moved on to Columbus in 2011, overseeing Sergei Bobrovsky’s rise to stardom. Clark returned to Vancouver in 2019, working with Markstrom and Demko. “Clarkie, he’s unbelievable. I owe probably just about everything to him,” Demko said of Clark back in 2021. “Obviously I’m putting in the work, but the way he’s guided me and mentored me, it’s been amazing.” Canucks goalie guru Ian Clark may be heading elsewhere: report | Offside (dailyhive.com) Edited September 27 by Déjà Vu 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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