In 2 years our top ten, all time will be so different.

[DANJR]

By the end of this Season there will be a few changes to out Top Ten all time.
Both Petey and JT will enter the conversation.

Petey should make it up to 7th place, JT will probably slot in at 8th.  Knocking Bert and Bo out of the top ten.

With the end of the following season, it should see both Quinn Hughes and most likely Brock Boeser enter the fray as well.
Both may get really close to the 500 points mark.  Knocking Tanti and Bure out of our Top Ten all time.
Petey will have moved ahead of Gradin, JT should be close as well.  

The interesting race will be to see who will hit 500 points first between Brock and Quinn.  Quinn has to make up 50+ points.

It will be sad seeing all those legends get knocked out of our top ten, but that means we have new legends in the making.
Will take a while, but I think a few of our guys can get close to the top of our all time leaders. 
Petey with 8 years should be able to put up 600 points getting him to pass 1000 points.


What are your thoughts, will it be happy or sad days for you to see the top ten change.



(Forgive me for looking so far ahead, but I love career stats.)

 

 

Edited September 30, 2024 by DANJR

[nzan]

As long as the Steamer remains in the Top 10 I’m good

[Wilbur]

I have a spreadsheet which I update after every game (hey, I'm a dork and it relaxes me ).  I always like it when someone cracks the top 100.  It means the standard is just a little higher for the next player to crack the top 100.  The next level is when they pass Messier.  That guy needs to be as far down the all-time Canuck scoring list as possible.  Garland will be the next one to achieve that.

 

58	Mark Messier	C	207	52	110	162
59	John Gould	RW	218	82	76	158
60	Dave Babych	D	409	23	131	154
61	Gary Lupul	LW	293	70	75	145
62	Conor Garland	RW	240	56	89	145

 

A few years back I started a project where I would try to get, for every player that played a game in a Canuck jersey, 1 card of them in a Canuck jersey.  I sort it by games played (regular season + playoffs....so all the "meaningful" games).  It's interesting to see players move up there too, although it'll be a bit before anyone on the current roster cracks the top 9

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Ohlund sits 9th at 822 games while Boeser is closest with 508 games (on page 4).

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[Ghostsof1915]

I hope we get a flood of great Canuck prospects and knock he who shall not be named off the top 100.

[Wilbur]

2 hours ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

I hope we get a flood of great Canuck prospects and knock he who shall not be named off the top 100.

Let's throw a party 

[Coconuts]

Speaks more to the history of the franchise than anything

 

Points, yeah, soon, games played will take longer 

 

 

 

 

[Alflives]

Toni Tanti. 

[IBatch]

4 hours ago, Wilbur said:

I have a spreadsheet which I update after every game (hey, I'm a dork and it relaxes me ).  I always like it when someone cracks the top 100.  It means the standard is just a little higher for the next player to crack the top 100.  The next level is when they pass Messier.  That guy needs to be as far down the all-time Canuck scoring list as possible.  Garland will be the next one to achieve that.

 

58	Mark Messier	C	207	52	110	162
59	John Gould	RW	218	82	76	158
60	Dave Babych	D	409	23	131	154
61	Gary Lupul	LW	293	70	75	145
62	Conor Garland	RW	240	56	89	145

 

A few years back I started a project where I would try to get, for every player that played a game in a Canuck jersey, 1 card of them in a Canuck jersey.  I sort it by games played (regular season + playoffs....so all the "meaningful" games).  It's interesting to see players move up there too, although it'll be a bit before anyone on the current roster cracks the top 9

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Ohlund sits 9th at 822 games while Boeser is closest with 508 games (on page 4).

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PM me I will try and send you a bunch of old ones (late 80's - mid 90's).   

[Blue]

The only time Ive ever heard about Tony Tanti is in these lists. He's the most anonymous and it isn't close.

[Zimmyparttwo]

32 minutes ago, Blue said:

The only time Ive ever heard about Tony Tanti is in these lists. He's the most anonymous and it isn't close.

And now you’re gonna be flooded with one Tony Tanti story after another! 

[DANJR]

I'll start.  Tony Tanti was a tipping genius.  Some tv personality was watching the end of practice.  Tanti starting tipping pucks.  He didn't miss a single one.  The shooters started shooting harder and all over.  He still didn't miss any, the shooters started shooting at him, his ass, his torso, his head.  He didn't flinch and didn't miss any.

I wish I could remember if it was like Howie Meeker, Don Cherry or a local commentator.

[Dumb Nuck]

20 hours ago, Zimmyparttwo said:

And now you’re gonna be flooded with one Tony Tanti story after another! 

All the girls thought I looked like him, made for fun times.

[Zimmyparttwo]

Tanti 197 goals in a five season stretch which seems considerable using our present game as a comparison. He was a pure sniper despite the fact that he never scored fifty, never finished in the top 10 goal scorers and played on a team and league where Darcy Rota could score 42 goals (!). 
 

His ability to manipulate that beautiful Titan 2020 TPM was a thing of beauty though. A buddy of mine, a supremely skilled skater and distributor with an explosive shot which he rarely used, had a Tanti model 2020. Can’t remember the exact lie but the curve was subtle and seemed to start almost at the heel. The closest right handed version I could find varied between a Selanne and Vaive variation both of which I’ve kept for remembrance sake.

 

Such bad Canuck teams in the mid eighties, but they were our Canucks and Tony Tanti was a legit “star”, even briefly.

[DANJR]

Well movement is starting to happen.  I made some colour groupings on the leaderboard so people can see the generations of players.  (cup runs mostly)  Players in white kind of fell between cup runs.  (hopefully my memory didn't fail me)

JT taking time off kind messes up his trajectory, but not by much.  I don't think any of the current core will catch the twins for games played.  Petey definitely has a chance to Take the goals lead from Daniel.  Petey also has a good chance to be all time points leader.  Quinn will be all time points leader for our D-men this year.  I do think this core will all be top ten before they no longer play for the Canucks.  Hughes may be able to take Henrik's assists record.



 

[The Colt 45s]

The eras that some of those Canucks greats played are acutely different.  Making it big during the dead puck era is different than today.  Throwl in things like clutching and grabbing and other detriments and wonder how much more would Pavel had accomplished.

[Diamonds]

10 hours ago, DANJR said:

Well movement is starting to happen.  I made some colour groupings on the leaderboard so people can see the generations of players.  (cup runs mostly)  Players in white kind of fell between cup runs.  (hopefully my memory didn't fail me)

JT taking time off kind messes up his trajectory, but not by much.  I don't think any of the current core will catch the twins for games played.  Petey definitely has a chance to Take the goals lead from Daniel.  Petey also has a good chance to be all time points leader.  Quinn will be all time points leader for our D-men this year.  I do think this core will all be top ten before they no longer play for the Canucks.  Hughes may be able to take Henrik's assists record.



 

Henrik's assist totals will be very hard to catch, but if anyone can do it it would be Hughes. Only 5 defensemen in NHL history have more career assists than Henrik though.

 

Daniel's goal totals are definitely more reachable. Even though he was the "goal scorer" of the two, for the most part he never really scored a lot of goals. He only scored 30+ in 4 seasons, but over his career he was quite consistent. There's definitely a chance Petey will break it and if Boeser re-signs a chance he will as well. It would be nice to see a Canuck reach the 500 career goal mark, but getting someone in the 400s would be a good start.

[MattJVD]

7 hours ago, The Colt 45s said:

The eras that some of those Canucks greats played are acutely different.  Making it big during the dead puck era is different than today.  Throwl in things like clutching and grabbing and other detriments and wonder how much more would Pavel had accomplished.

The Sedin's hey day was even lower scoring, remember Jamie Benn winning the Art Ross with 87 points?!

[Diamonds]

6 hours ago, MattJVD said:

The Sedin's hey day was even lower scoring, remember Jamie Benn winning the Art Ross with 87 points?!

2011-12 to 2016-17 was pretty low scoring, but it never got quite as bad as the peak Dead Puck years. 2003-04 averaged 2.57 goals per game where as the lowest post-lockout year (2015-16) was 2.71 goals per game. So roughly 12 goals per team on average difference. It's nice to see the game back to being consistently over 3 goals per game now though as it's certainly more exciting. The first few years post-lockout when the Sedins truly broke out were also around 3 goals per game so was in the 25 to 30 more goals per team range.

 

As a side note, it's interesting to see that save percentages went up in 2011-12 through 2019-20 even though scoring was higher than the Dead Puck Era. Shots per game were 2 to 2.5 shots more per team (and even more from 2017-20) during that time. Probably a good way to directly see the effect of the clutching and grabbing of the Dead Puck Era.

[zduck14]

On 12/3/2024 at 12:16 AM, Diamonds said:

2011-12 to 2016-17 was pretty low scoring, but it never got quite as bad as the peak Dead Puck years. 2003-04 averaged 2.57 goals per game where as the lowest post-lockout year (2015-16) was 2.71 goals per game. So roughly 12 goals per team on average difference. It's nice to see the game back to being consistently over 3 goals per game now though as it's certainly more exciting. The first few years post-lockout when the Sedins truly broke out were also around 3 goals per game so was in the 25 to 30 more goals per team range.

 

As a side note, it's interesting to see that save percentages went up in 2011-12 through 2019-20 even though scoring was higher than the Dead Puck Era. Shots per game were 2 to 2.5 shots more per team (and even more from 2017-20) during that time. Probably a good way to directly see the effect of the clutching and grabbing of the Dead Puck Era.

 

Going back and watching some of those old games, it's incredible how different the game is. It's almost frustrating seeing all the hooking and holding that didn't get called. I mean, Darian Hatcher was an elite defenseman up until they cracked down on the clutching and grabbing, LOL. 

 

That said, I would've absolutely loved to see what Bure could've down with todays rules. My guess would be 80+ goals multiple times. He was able to fly around like McDavid does today despite all the cheap shots and holding. 

[DANJR]

It kills me when people say Gretzky played against inferior goalies and players.  If todays players had to play with those circumstances, scoring 30 goals would be like scoring 50 goals.  The hooking was insane.  In todays game a hook is a light tug on someones hip.  Back then a stick was all the way across the midsection, the player hooking was using it to slow the other player down, and speed himself up.
Lets talk about the hits.  Seriously getting smashed, when you aren't even in the play, cheap shots were a way of life.  Sink or swim.  That is why teams had enforcers.  Someone cheap shots us, guaranteed someone is going to pay next shift.
The holding was incredible.  Now it's a hold if you quickly grab someones arm for a split second.  Back then your jersey would look like a 2 person tent with the amount of tension from the person holding on to it.  It wasn't necessarily a hold if you grabbed a collar and yanked down to the ice....that was more of a hockey play.

[IBatch]

On 12/4/2024 at 9:57 AM, zduck14 said:

 

Going back and watching some of those old games, it's incredible how different the game is. It's almost frustrating seeing all the hooking and holding that didn't get called. I mean, Darian Hatcher was an elite defenseman up until they cracked down on the clutching and grabbing, LOL. 

 

That said, I would've absolutely loved to see what Bure could've down with todays rules. My guess would be 80+ goals multiple times. He was able to fly around like McDavid does today despite all the cheap shots and holding. 

It's safe to say Bure, Selanne, Kariya, Yzernam, Federov and many others would have padded their stats or scored more goals outside of that era.   Clutching and grabbing was around for a long time before the official "dead puck era" as well... have hockey mags from 1995 complaining about the state of the game for "years", Mario, Hull, Reonick were all very vocal about it back then and before then.    For sure it got worse and worse, a definitive line though was 93-94.   Look at how many guys were scoring 100 plus points in 92-93, and 93-94 was the last year we had anyone score 130 plus (Federov was close and Gretzky's final Art Ross), until Kucherov and McDavid.   The 90's was a great decade for hockey in that we finally got all the worlds best players, unfortunately that was maybe 30 guys, and added OTT,SJ,ANA, FLD that's a lot more then 30 jobs.    Really it's taken this long to approach a similar level of talent all at the same time.    And it's not a foregone conclusion it's sustainable either.   Hope we are done with that.    32 teams is plenty enough. 

 

  Expansion in the 90's went too far too fast.   And guys like Craig Ludwig and Hatcher flourished.   
 

Lindros in today's game,  would be simply uncontainable.    He'd be winning Hart after Hart, and get all the glory.   Bure Richard after Richard. 

Edited December 11, 2024 by IBatch