Honkin Hronek Posted October 14 Posted October 14 Heinen - Miller - Boeser Debrusk - Petey - Sprong Joshua - Blueger - Garland Hoglander - Suter/Raty - Sherwood Aman Hughes - Hronek Soucy - Myers Forbort - Desharnais Juulsen Demko Lankinen Silovs I think it's very clear that our bottom 4 is not good. Our goal this offseason was to get bigger and better on the PK, but we've heavily sacrificed 5v5 play and speed on the back end to do it. I know many like Brannstrom in that Forbort spot but I'm not convinced he'd be much better given his defensive woes. What do you think? Is Andersson our saviour? Do you have someone else you'd rather get in that spot? 1 Quote
Popular Post CaribouCanuck Posted October 14 Popular Post Posted October 14 I feel like he’s going to cost way more than we’d want to give up. 5 2 3 1 Quote
Popular Post flickyoursedin Posted October 14 Popular Post Posted October 14 He’d cost one of Lekkerimaki or Willander and probably our 1rst round pick this year. I like Rasmus Andersson but I’d rather chase a lesser price tag guy like Marcus Pettersson out of Pittsburgh or somebody in another thread mentioned Mattias Samuelsson from Buffalo. 4 1 Quote
Caboose Posted October 14 Posted October 14 Think if Calgary wanted to trade this guy they already would have. 2 Quote
Alflives Posted October 14 Posted October 14 Flames have a dodo for a GM. We could see Anderson here and at a shockingly low cost. 1 Quote
RichterBelmont Posted October 14 Posted October 14 I would love Andersson but agree with others that the acquisition cost would be too much to stomach for me. Not willing to part with Lek or Willander. Maybe it could get done with lesser pieces? Maybe package Hog with our 1st and some A-/B+ prospects? Quote
KesLord Posted October 14 Posted October 14 Reverse the Baertschi trade somehow and get him for free 2 Quote
Outsiders Posted October 14 Posted October 14 (edited) I'd do Garland + 2026 1st Anderson 6.5x6 extenison in place We cant give up Lekky or Willander. We need guys of ELC's. Getting Garlands money out of bottom 6 helps as well Edited October 14 by Outsiders 1 Quote
Warhippy Posted October 14 Posted October 14 Well ya, but I wanted him with the pick we sent over for Baertschi 1 1 Quote
Ghostsof1915 Posted October 14 Posted October 14 We don't do things. We do trades. And Calgary will only move him if they get a first. And that's too much right now. Move along. 1 Quote
Popular Post Jess Posted October 14 Popular Post Posted October 14 I don't think some people realize how much he'd cost. He's a top pairing defenseman, probably better than Hronek and he's a RHD. Consider the price of Hronek and then add more because he's better and it's within the division. The Flames hang up if Lekkerimaki or Willander aren't mentioned. I honestly think the price starts at one of those guys plus a 1st and probably includes more. 5 2 Quote
fanfor42 Posted October 14 Posted October 14 Last year D This year D Hughes Hronek Hughes Hronek Soucy Myers Soucy Myers Zadorov Cole Forbort Desharnais Friedman Juulsen Friedman Juulsen Interesting to actually look at how similar the D is this year to last year. The only difference is that so far: Zadorov and Cole >>>>>>>>>>Forbort and Desharnais. How to address this? I don't know if trading major assets for Andersson is the answer. Personally I want to go back in time and sign Zadorov to 5 by 6 instead of Boston. That just costs 5M cap but no future assets. I hope that letting him walk doesn't become the biggest mistake by this management team. Quote
Coconuts Posted October 14 Posted October 14 6 minutes ago, Jess said: I don't think some people realize how much he'd cost. He's a top pairing defenseman, probably better than Hronek and he's a RHD. Consider the price of Hronek and then add more because he's better and it's within the division. The Flames hang up with Lekkerimaki or Willander aren't mentioned. I honestly think the price starts at one of those guys plus a 1st and probably includes more. It's like clockwork, he's seemingly been brought up repeatedly each of the last few seasons, and each time it seems like some folks underestimate the acquisition cost. This isn't a shot at OP by and means, but the reasons Andersson is appealing are the exact reasons why he's probably too expensive for us. Honestly, Calgary is better off keeping him, and they'll have the cap space to throw the bank at him. We saw during the Benning era how disastrous things can look when there isn't stability on the back end. Calgary probably won't be a playoff team any time soon, but selling off every single piece with value isn't great for the young guys you're bringing in either. We had guys like Edler and Tanev around, and folks wanted to sell them too, but you need quality players in place to help bring the youth along. There's the argument that his trade value will only diminish, and that's probably true, that happens with most players, but sometimes keeping players around is worth more to an organization than what they'd get back via trade. Weegar's the only D they have signed beyond 25-26, they're gonna need guys who can capably play top four minutes so they're not throwing young guys to the wolves. Calgary's in a bit of a weird place given the long term deals that Huberdeau and Kadri have, but they're just gonna have to live with it, those moves were made before Calgary really committed to turning things over. Quote
DeNiro Posted October 14 Posted October 14 24 minutes ago, fanfor42 said: Last year D This year D Hughes Hronek Hughes Hronek Soucy Myers Soucy Myers Zadorov Cole Forbort Desharnais Friedman Juulsen Friedman Juulsen Interesting to actually look at how similar the D is this year to last year. The only difference is that so far: Zadorov and Cole >>>>>>>>>>Forbort and Desharnais. How to address this? I don't know if trading major assets for Andersson is the answer. Personally I want to go back in time and sign Zadorov to 5 by 6 instead of Boston. That just costs 5M cap but no future assets. I hope that letting him walk doesn't become the biggest mistake by this management team. People let his physical play and personality blind his actual on ice play. He struggled defensively for big portions of the season. We need to upgrade the D but we need to do it with a player who’s better defensively. Quote
fanfor42 Posted October 14 Posted October 14 Just now, DeNiro said: People let his physical play and personality blind his actual on ice play. He struggled defensively for big portions of the season. We need to upgrade the D but we need to do it with a player who’s better defensively. Canucks had 109 points last season and yet management changed 8 or 9 players including Zadorov. You may not like him as much as some but he brought an element to the team that was lacking for years. He made people around him an inch taller. Regardless, management passed on him and made more changes than they probably should have to a 109 point team. 1 Quote
DeNiro Posted October 14 Posted October 14 Just now, fanfor42 said: Canucks had 109 points last season and yet management changed 8 or 9 players including Zadorov. You may not like him as much as some but he brought an element to the team that was lacking for years. He made people around him an inch taller. Regardless, management passed on him and made more changes than they probably should have to a 109 point team. We started the season without him and played very well. Comparing last seasons team to this one is very premature. Especially without Demko in net. Regardless they had to balance the cap and make sure we had enough scoring up front. We got badly outplayed by Edmonton in a few of the games. Running it back with the same team is not a way to get better. 1 Quote
fanfor42 Posted October 14 Posted October 14 3 minutes ago, DeNiro said: We started the season without him and played very well. Comparing last seasons team to this one is very premature. Especially without Demko in net. Regardless they had to balance the cap and make sure we had enough scoring up front. We got badly outplayed by Edmonton in a few of the games. Running it back with the same team is not a way to get better. Well that's an interesting take. My take would be with Demko in net for the playoffs we beat Edmonton and maybe get to the SCF. We were very close. For me there have been too many changes and Zadorov is definitely one I would not have made. Obviously they have the season to turn it around and be successful. I just think that we were closer last year than some people realize and we didn't need wholesale changes as were made. Quote
DeNiro Posted October 14 Posted October 14 Just now, fanfor42 said: Well that's an interesting take. My take would be with Demko in net for the playoffs we beat Edmonton and maybe get to the SCF. We were very close. For me there have been too many changes and Zadorov is definitely one I would not have made. Obviously they have the season to turn it around and be successful. I just think that we were closer last year than some people realize and we didn't need wholesale changes as were made. Zadorov is not that much of an upgrade over Myers, if at all. Not to mention that’s way too long of a commitment to him. Demko in net or not we were barely hanging on in some of those games, let’s be realistic. If this team is to become a championship team we need to be setting the tone not chasing the game. We need to be looking for upgrades on D not keeping the status quo. Hopefully they’ll be able to bank enough cap space to do that at some point. 1 Quote
NHLer Posted October 14 Posted October 14 2 hours ago, flickyoursedin said: He’d cost one of Lekkerimaki or Willander and probably our 1rst round pick this year. I like Rasmus Andersson but I’d rather chase a lesser price tag guy like Marcus Pettersson out of Pittsburgh or somebody in another thread mentioned Mattias Samuelsson from Buffalo. Can't have enough Petterssons Quote
Jess Posted October 14 Posted October 14 2 hours ago, flickyoursedin said: He’d cost one of Lekkerimaki or Willander and probably our 1rst round pick this year. I like Rasmus Andersson but I’d rather chase a lesser price tag guy like Marcus Pettersson out of Pittsburgh or somebody in another thread mentioned Mattias Samuelsson from Buffalo. Pettersson would be an amazing acquisition and definitely cheaper, but I also think he'd cost a lot. Quote
Diamonds Posted October 14 Posted October 14 50 minutes ago, Jess said: I don't think some people realize how much he'd cost. He's a top pairing defenseman, probably better than Hronek and he's a RHD. Consider the price of Hronek and then add more because he's better and it's within the division. The Flames hang up if Lekkerimaki or Willander aren't mentioned. I honestly think the price starts at one of those guys plus a 1st and probably includes more. Ya, he's going to cost a fortune if he's even available. I would love to have him here but realistically we can't afford him. Willander + our 1st was my first thought as well for what it would likely cost (and probably a serviceable player like Garland for salary cap reasons). It's too much and there would definitely be a bidding war. Quote
flickyoursedin Posted October 14 Posted October 14 4 minutes ago, Jess said: Pettersson would be an amazing acquisition and definitely cheaper, but I also think he'd cost a lot. I think Marcus Pettersson you’re looking at Elias Pettersson (D Petey) and maybe a 3rd gets it done. Quote
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