[Proposal] Bowen Byram + Tage Thompson for Pete

[AK-19]

Hey Everyone,

 

I was curious how people felt about this proposal:

 

To VAN:

 

Tage Thompson / Cap $7.15 M

Bowen Byram / Cap $3.85 M

 

Total Cap: 11 Mil

 

To BUF:

 

Elias Pettersson / Cap 11.6 M

 

 

Why for VAN:

 

We take a downgrade at centre with Thompson who is also older. However, the age matters less since we are in win now mode. We upgrade substantially at LHD with Bowen Byram, our biggest area of weakness. Byram is also still an RFA.

 

 

Why for BUF:

 

They are stacked at LHD already and in fact using Byram on his offside because of it. They get a better, younger centre for a longer term contract. 

[Coconuts]

I'm not being down on Pettersson, but I question whether Buffalo would take it.

 

Yes, I know what Pettersson's capable of, we've seen it. But Thompson's a stud on that deal, fantastic value, and they just acquired Byram. I know teams have to give good things to get good things, but if Buffalo's making changes I'm not sold on Thompson being one of the pieces they'd move out. 

 

Best case scenario is Pettersson gives them a two way center who can put up 90-100 points, a fantastic thing to have, but Thompson's only a couple seasons removed from a 94 point showing himself and he's put up 13 points in 12 games thus far while Pettersson has struggled. Thompson being injured for a while last season was a big part of Buffalo going off the rails. 

 

And then there's the value Byram gives them, and they liked him enough to move out Mittelstadt. At 23 one would think he should continue to improve. 

 

I can see why the Canucks might like this deal, but while Buffalo's desperate to make the playoffs I'm not sure the grass is actually greener in this scenario for Buffalo. 

Edited November 5 by Coconuts

[King Heffy]

7 minutes ago, Coconuts said:

I'm not being down on Pettersson, but I question whether Buffalo would take it.

 

Yes, I know what Pettersson's capable of, we've seen it. But Thompson's a stud on that deal, fantastic value, and they just acquired Byram. I know teams have to give good things to get good things, but if Buffalo's making changes I'm not sold on Thompson being one of the pieces they'd move out. 

 

Best case scenario is Pettersson gives them a two way center who can put up 90-100 points, a fantastic thing to have, but Thompson's only a couple seasons removed from a 94 point showing himself and he's put up 13 points in 12 games thus far while Pettersson has struggled. Thompson being injured for a while last season was a big part of Buffalo going off the rails. 

 

And then there's the value Byram gives them, and they liked him enough to move out Mittelstadt. At 23 one would think he should continue to improve. 

 

I can see why the Canucks might like this deal, but while Buffalo's desperate to make the playoffs I'm not sure the grass is actually greener in this scenario for Buffalo. 

Petey being signed that long might be a plus for a franchise that struggles to attract UFA talent.

[Coconuts]

1 minute ago, King Heffy said:

Petey being signed that long might be a plus for a franchise that struggles to attract UFA talent.

 

Maybe, but Thompson at 7.1M is tremendous value, he's locked in long term 

 

Byram will presumably stick around, pending RFA, and if he does want out there's a team out there who will give Buffalo a good return for him 

 

In this case, Pettersson's term is moot imo 

[Sabrefan1]

The Sabres need a centreman or two.  Trading one away for another and losing a d-man runs counter to that...

[CaptainCanuck12]

[D-Money]

Buffalo might do Cozens + Byram, but not Thompson.

 

With the way they’re playing now and their respective cap hits, I’m not sure Buffalo even does Petey for Thompson straight up.

[Angry Elf]

I’d take that deal in a heartbeat.

[Blue]

Nope. Not for Tage Thomson being the centerpiece coming back. He is one of those big guys who has a strong year then disappears. Then he will be like Ryan Johansen and go from elite to negative value in his early 30's. 

[Blue]

1 hour ago, D-Money said:

Buffalo might do Cozens + Byram, but not Thompson.

 

With the way they’re playing now and their respective cap hits, I’m not sure Buffalo even does Petey for Thompson straight up.

They would jump on it. Tage Thomson is not a career PPG player like Petey is. And he never will be.

 

Typical selling low vibes here.

[MatchesMalone]

1 hour ago, Sabrefan1 said:

The Sabres need a centreman or two.  Trading one away for another and losing a d-man runs counter to that...

 

Lol kudos to you for such a polite response. This is such an insulting proposal.

[Blue]

2 hours ago, Coconuts said:

I'm not being down on Pettersson, but I question whether Buffalo would take it.

 

Yes, I know what Pettersson's capable of, we've seen it. But Thompson's a stud on that deal, fantastic value, and they just acquired Byram. I know teams have to give good things to get good things, but if Buffalo's making changes I'm not sold on Thompson being one of the pieces they'd move out. 

 

Best case scenario is Pettersson gives them a two way center who can put up 90-100 points, a fantastic thing to have, but Thompson's only a couple seasons removed from a 94 point showing himself and he's put up 13 points in 12 games thus far while Pettersson has struggled. Thompson being injured for a while last season was a big part of Buffalo going off the rails. 

 

And then there's the value Byram gives them, and they liked him enough to move out Mittelstadt. At 23 one would think he should continue to improve. 

 

I can see why the Canucks might like this deal, but while Buffalo's desperate to make the playoffs I'm not sure the grass is actually greener in this scenario for Buffalo. 

Tage Thomson is already 27 years old. And just like Ryan Johansen, he could easily be negative value by his early 30's

[Angry Elf]

I’d prefer Tage Thompson and Bowen Byram, but at this point I’d take Alex Tuch and Byram for Petterson.

[Coconuts]

3 minutes ago, Blue said:

Tage Thomson is already 27 years old. And just like Ryan Johansen, he could easily be negative value by his early 30's

 

I mean, you could say that about most players. 

 

Thompson has 13 points in 12 games thus far at a 7.1M cap hit, two season removed from a 94 point season, he's not an issue in Buffalo. 

 

Thompson just turned 27 last month while Pettersson, who will be 26 in a handful of days, is a spring chicken?

[Blue]

14 minutes ago, Coconuts said:

 

I mean, you could say that about most players. 

 

Thompson has 13 points in 12 games thus far at a 7.1M cap hit, two season removed from a 94 point season, he's not an issue in Buffalo. 

 

Thompson just turned 27 last month while Pettersson, who will be 26 in a handful of days, is a spring chicken?

Tage just doesn't have the pedigree that a Calder winning Petterson does. They aren't in the same tier. Nothing has incinerated more value in hockey than the allure of the big power forward. At the draft or in trade. We did it with Steve Bernier, Zack Kassian and Jake Virtanen just off the top of my head.

[Coconuts]

17 minutes ago, Blue said:

Tage just doesn't have the pedigree that a Calder winning Petterson does. They aren't in the same tier. Nothing has incinerated more value in hockey than the allure of the big power forward. At the draft or in trade. We did it with Steve Bernier, Zack Kassian and Jake Virtanen just off the top of my head.

 

Perhaps not, but that's why his cap hit is so important. Elias is being paid 11.6M, the minimum expectations are much higher. If Thompson can hover around point per game or better at 7.1M, that's already outstanding value. 

 

Is Elias a higher tier player? He's demonstrated that thus far. Is he necessarily great value at 11.6M? That's up for debate. Has Thompson shown to be great value at 7.1M thus far? I'd say so. 

 

The bang for buck relating to one's contract and cap hit are important bits, Thompson is one of the better looking deals Buffalo has. 

 

None of Bernier, Kassian, or Virtanen have accomplished what Thompson has thus far, none of them are in the same bracket. The reasons why Thompson would be appealing to a team such as Vancouver are the exact reasons Buffalo is likely to keep him. 

[Gurn]

2 hours ago, Sabrefan1 said:

The Sabres need a centreman or two.  Trading one away for another and losing a d-man runs counter to that...

Watch out- you are letting reality get in the way of other people's hopes.

Dangerous stuff.

[Jess]

Pretty sure the Sabres lose this deal. Thompson at his peak is worse than Petey for sure, but he's still an elite centre. Right now, he's probably better than Petey. Add in a pretty good defenseman with potential in Byram and I think this deal is too heavily in our favour.

[NHLer]

If anything, I could see D. Cozens, M. Samuelsson, Wahlberg for Petey. 

[NHLer]

^ which would be selling LOW.

[Blue]

1 hour ago, Jess said:

Pretty sure the Sabres lose this deal. Thompson at his peak is worse than Petey for sure, but he's still an elite centre. Right now, he's probably better than Petey. Add in a pretty good defenseman with potential in Byram and I think this deal is too heavily in our favour.

Tage played 41 games in the NHL in 2018 for the Blues. Then was sent to the AHL for a year. Then he played 65 games for Buffalo and was sent back to the AHL for another year. 

 

Then he stayed and got 68, 94, then 56 points.

 

I don't see how he's even in the same area code as Petterson. If i was a Buffalo fan , I'd jump on this trade. 

Edited November 6 by Blue

[MillersWrister]

I think if Petey is moving we need a young C coming back, at worst a 2c. We don't have a top 6 C to replace him if he's gone.

[Jess]

7 minutes ago, Blue said:

Tage played 41 games in the NHL in 2018 for the Blues. Then was sent to the AHL for a year. Then he played 65 games for Buffalo and was sent back to the AHL for another year. 

 

Then he stayed at got 68, 94, then 56 points.

 

I don't see how he's even in the same area code as Petterson. If i was a Buffalo fan , I'd jump on this trade. 

 

2018 and 2019 are too far back for me to really care about.

 

To be honest though, I missed the 56-point year last year. That said, it looks a bit like an anomaly given his start this year. He's probably a reliable 80-95 point guy. Petey in theory should be a reliable 90-110 point guy, but my gut is this year he'll end up closer to 70 points. His defense is probably a step up over Thompson's unless Thompson is better defensively than I realize. I think it's a strong bet that Thompson scores more points than Pettersson this year though.

[Alflives]

[qwijjibo]

3 minutes ago, Jess said:

 

2018 and 2019 are too far back for me to really care about.

 

To be honest though, I missed the 56-point year last year. That said, it looks a bit like an anomaly given his start this year. He's probably a reliable 80-95 point guy. Petey in theory should be a reliable 90-110 point guy, but my gut is this year he'll end up closer to 70 points. His defense is probably a step up over Thompson's unless Thompson is better defensively than I realize. I think it's a strong bet that Thompson scores more points than Pettersson this year though.

Thompson had a pretty serious wrist injury last season that impacted his production.   Things seem to be sorted out to start the season