Predators leading scorers' age--- is it time to rebuild?

[Tank]

[Alflives]

F them and Trotz. 

[Pears]

They'll turn it around imo. They're a much better team than their record indicates. 

[Canuck You]

If anything, They will probably make a coaching change first..That team is pretty dang good on paper and went all in to break it all up all of a sudden...Who knows, Maybe Trotz will take on the coaching job also?

Edited November 8 by Canuck You

[Phil_314]

Skjei, Stamkos and Marchessault all have NMC's, Josi and O'Reilly are their #1 D and #1 C respectively (they don't have another C to take ROR's place and Josi's just been cold but not bad), and Nyquist is pending UFA.  If they flame out, maybe they trade Gus?  Other than that I would think they may flip one of their three first round picks and maybe Novak or someone else to shore up that #2 C spot and then make a run for it (and sign Gus back during the offseason).  They've got buy-in so I'd be surprised if they just blow it up.  I doubt they would just blow up a potential championship core when most of them (besides Nyquist) are just having abysmal shooting %'s (Josi: 1.7% vs. career 6% which would bring him up to 3 goals and 0.7 points/ game; ROR and Forsberg are slightly off pace for their career averages in shooting and points/ game; Marchessault is massively snakebitten at 4.9 vs. average 11.5% shooting which would help in points; Stamkos is well off his career shooting % too at 16.6%, but he's heating up so at least with that they should have help coming).  Maybe if they covince one of the vets (Marchessault??) to get shipped out to bring that 2C back to feed Stammer that may balance the team, but (unless they're all over the hill) I could see them just run it back next season. 

Forsberg - ROR - Nyquist (re-sign)
Stamkos - #2 C - Marchessault

Skjei - Josi

Saros 
 

[HKSR]

1 hour ago, Pears said:

They'll turn it around imo. They're a much better team than their record indicates. 

If they figure it out, look out.  Could be like the STL Blues the year they won the Cup.

[Pears]

1 hour ago, HKSR said:

If they figure it out, look out.  Could be like the STL Blues the year they won the Cup.

Kind of exactly what I was thinking. Too much star power and depth to be at the bottom of the league. 

[Kevin Biestra]

Memories of 2013 Canucks...

[CaribouCanuck]

Considering the fact that a team has never made the playoffs after starting the season 5-0 and the age of their core a rebuild both seems more practical and more likely as time goes on. 

I am starting to feel like the Predators management team is VERY bad at assessing talent, because they added a bunch of big names who clearly don't fit in super well with team chemistry and who are old and expensive just purely on the basis of what big flashy names they are and they let go of a bunch of very useful practical players in Sherwood Lankinen and McDonagh that and Schenn has not worked out well for them and I think that is largely because him playing here with Hughes made him look better than he actually was which seems like it should be an obvious possibility to consider ahead of time. 

[wai_lai416]

Nashville is in a very enviable position tbh.. ya sure they spent a lot and went all in.. but at the same time they have a shit ton of draft capitals 1st rounders etc.. and all the players they have are all easily tradable if they wanted to be traded so not really that big of a deal if they ended up tanking this season 

[IBatch]

On 11/8/2024 at 6:30 PM, CaribouCanuck said:

Considering the fact that a team has never made the playoffs after starting the season 5-0 and the age of their core a rebuild both seems more practical and more likely as time goes on. 

I am starting to feel like the Predators management team is VERY bad at assessing talent, because they added a bunch of big names who clearly don't fit in super well with team chemistry and who are old and expensive just purely on the basis of what big flashy names they are and they let go of a bunch of very useful practical players in Sherwood Lankinen and McDonagh that and Schenn has not worked out well for them and I think that is largely because him playing here with Hughes made him look better than he actually was which seems like it should be an obvious possibility to consider ahead of time. 

Lost me when you go to Schenn.   He was considered the key acquisition for TO,  given the credit for them winning a round finally.    And it wasn't about the hitting, it was about his actual play on the ice and leadership off it.   He earned his deal, a better player then Desharnais, i'd happily trade for him and consider that an upgrade. 

Edited November 12 by IBatch

[Alflives]

On 11/8/2024 at 4:12 PM, wai_lai416 said:

Nashville is in a very enviable position tbh.. ya sure they spent a lot and went all in.. but at the same time they have a shit ton of draft capitals 1st rounders etc.. and all the players they have are all easily tradable if they wanted to be traded so not really that big of a deal if they ended up tanking this season 

Old guys, playing crappy, at high cap costs, and signed to term are not easily tradable. It will cost Trotz those picks your mention as sugar to move those contracts, even with retention.

Trotz has screwed up any chance for a rebuild. He’s pulled a “Benning”. 
It’s the “Peter Principle”. 

[Combover]

They have 3 first round picks 2 seconds  this year and will probably have more by the end of the season 

a ton of cap to take on a bad contract for more picks/ prospects 

 

They should be able  rebuild quickly if they embrace the rank and  if they don’t refool or say it’s not fair to one or two players to rebuild. 

(puckpedia) 

 

Edited November 12 by Combover

[Alflives]

17 minutes ago, Combover said:

They have 3 first round picks 2 seconds  this year and will probably have more by the end of the season 

a ton of cap to take on a bad contract for more picks/ prospects 

 

They should be able  rebuild quickly if they embrace the rank and  if they don’t refool or say it’s not fair to one or two players to rebuild. 

(puckpedia) 

 

It will cost Trotz all his draft capital to dumperoo the toxic contracts he signed this summer. They have a very old core signed to big dollars, term, and trade protection. 
Trotz is Benning, minus a neck. 

[Combover]

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Edited November 12 by Combover

[wai_lai416]

13 hours ago, Alflives said:

Old guys, playing crappy, at high cap costs, and signed to term are not easily tradable. It will cost Trotz those picks your mention as sugar to move those contracts, even with retention.

Trotz has screwed up any chance for a rebuild. He’s pulled a “Benning”. 
It’s the “Peter Principle”. 

lol they dont have to MOVE anyone if they ain't movable.. if they are rebuilding they still have plenty of draft capitals.. if Forsberg wants to move there'd be a lineup for him.. if josi wants to move there's still plenty of ppl would go for him. and they can easily ride out stamkos marchassault and as long as saros is serviceable.. all it would cost them is money.. he's no where even in the benning territory benning sacrificed picks and future.. trotz sacrifice money.

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, wai_lai416 said:

lol they dont have to MOVE anyone if they ain't movable.. if they are rebuilding they still have plenty of draft capitals.. if Forsberg wants to move there'd be a lineup for him.. if josi wants to move there's still plenty of ppl would go for him. and they can easily ride out stamkos marchassault and as long as saros is serviceable.. all it would cost them is money.. he's no where even in the benning territory benning sacrificed picks and future.. trotz sacrifice money.

so Trotz (ill buy a neck Alex) will just trade those toxic contracts for free? LMAAO. The Preds are totally and completely screwed. 

[wai_lai416]

2 minutes ago, Alflives said:

so Trotz (ill buy a neck Alex) will just trade those toxic contracts for free? LMAAO. The Preds are totally and completely screwed. 

again he can just sit on it and it won't affect their rebuild.. if they are rebuilding it's gonna be longer than 4 years.. did his contract cost him draft pick? no? so can you explain to me how they will affect the rebuild? if they suck now like you claim then it won't even affect their draft lottery odds. stamkos march only cost them money.. and if nashville is willing to retain? there'd be a line up for them.. imagine what teams would pay for forsberg if nashville retains

[Alflives]

3 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said:

again he can just sit on it and it won't affect their rebuild.. if they are rebuilding it's gonna be longer than 4 years.. did his contract cost him draft pick? no? so can you explain to me how they will affect the rebuild? if they suck now like you claim then it won't even affect their draft lottery odds. stamkos march only cost them money.. and if nashville is willing to retain? there'd be a line up for them.. imagine what teams would pay for forsberg if nashville retains

If “I’ll buy a neck for 500 Alex” isn’t spending all his picks on dumperooing his recently signed toxic contracts the it’s not a rebuild. That means he’s keep all his old decking craperolla players and will draft 7-15. That’s losing. 

[wai_lai416]

27 minutes ago, Alflives said:

If “I’ll buy a neck for 500 Alex” isn’t spending all his picks on dumperooing his recently signed toxic contracts the it’s not a rebuild. That means he’s keep all his old decking craperolla players and will draft 7-15. That’s losing. 

you make 0 sense how are they drafting 7-15 if they are literally tied for last place right now with the current players? teams only dump contract when they are in a win now mode.. how many team have you seen attach draft pick to dump player while rebuilding? 0? if they trade away josi and forsberg.. that'll be a boat load of prospect and draft picks.. stamkos marchassault and saros will not make that team a 7-15 team.. nice try