Deadline [Proposals] Building a Tocc team.

[Hammertime]

Nashville is about to enter the rebuild. They are in good shape to do it right and sell assets to turn their franchise around quickly. 

 

To Van Nyquist + Lauzon

 

To Nashville 

Hoglander + 2nd + Deschartnais

 

While I think very highly of Hoglander I just don't see him working out in our top 6 and we just saw with Sprong Tocc isn't going to have patience for him in our bottom 6 either. With the 3m price tag coming up I don't see him in our future. Nyquist to me is the perfect rental to play with Pete. He's got tons of experience and playmaking accumen he's still quick on his feet and thinks the game at a Vanek like level. We free up 3m in 2025/26 and maybe we the rise of Lekkermaki.

 

To CGY 

1st + Soucy + 3rd

 

Rasmus Anderson + Posposil

 

It's only a matter of time before Colorado or Utah bump Calgary from the wild card. I think values are close here may need a little tweak. Maybe it takes D Petey? 

 

Debrusk Miller Brock

Nyquist Pete Sherwood

Dak Posposil Garland

Heinen Blueger Suter

depth

PDG Ratty Karlsson

Bains Sasson Lekkerimaki

 

Hughes Hronek

Braanstrom Anderson

Lauzon Myers

depth

Forbort Juules

Wolainen Friedman

 

Any team that has to face us in the PO's is going to have even more ads on their jersey's imprinted from the boards. 

 

Edited November 11 by Hammertime

[Coconuts]

The Flames aren't trading us Andersson for what's probably a 5D with this season and next left on his deal in Soucy, what'd be a middling to late 1st, and a middling to late 3rd, you don't get a top pairing RD for that, let alone Pospisal on top of Andersson

 

Their ask probably begins with Willander or Lekkerimaki, probably Willander, and there are several teams out there who could beat that package if he were to actually be made available 

Edited November 11 by Coconuts

[Alflives]

Soucy and Hogs are better than we’re getting back. Garland instead of Hogs is way more fair for us. 

[Hammertime]

4 minutes ago, Coconuts said:

The Flames aren't trading us Andersson for what's probably a 5D with this season and next left on his deal in Soucy, what'd be a middling to late 1st, and a middling to late 3rd, you don't get a top pairing RD for that, let alone Pospisal on top of Andersson

 

Their ask probably begins with Willander or Lekkerimaki, probably Willander, and there are several teams out there who could beat that package if he were to actually be made available 

I guess we will see. I don't anticipate the price being as high as you are saying. If it is we look at other more affordable options. 

[Canuck You]

Looks more like a re-tool...I'd leave the forwards alone, We should be fine once DJ and Brock get back but Gawdd dannit load up on the D for sure, Demmer back will be another plus!

[Coconuts]

2 minutes ago, Hammertime said:

I guess we will see. I don't anticipate the price being as high as you are saying. If it is we look at other more affordable options. 

 

Not only does he eat top minutes as a top pairing right handed RD, he's averaged 22:40 or higher the past three seasons, this season he's averaging 24:39 thus far. 

 

Not only that, but he's put up 11 points in 15 games. The point totals over his past three seasons have been 39, 49, and 50. 

 

Would you give that up for Soucy, a mid to late 1st, and a mid to late 3rd? 

 

If he actually becomes available I reckon at least a third of the league would be inquiring. 

[Alflives]

8 minutes ago, Hammertime said:

I guess we will see. I don't anticipate the price being as high as you are saying. If it is we look at other more affordable options. 

Sorry but IMHAO you don’t understand player value. Garland for Anderson is not fair., We would need to add a lot. That’s a cap dumperoo from us for a player with actual value.. 

[Hammertime]

1 minute ago, Coconuts said:

 

Not only does he eat top minutes as a top pairing right handed RD, he's averaged 22:40 or higher the past three seasons, this season he's averaging 24:39 thus far. 

 

Not only that, but he's put up 11 points in 15 games. The point totals over his past three seasons have been 39, 49, and 50. 

 

Would you give that up for Soucy, a mid to late 1st, and a mid to late 3rd? 

 

If he actually becomes available I reckon at least a third of the league would be inquiring. 

Like I said if youre right we will go after someone else. I think he will be traded and I don't think the price will be much more than I'm offering and canucks fans everywhere will melt down. It will depend on what Andersson is looking for on his extension and how far apart he and calgary are. The price is for 1.5 seasons of Andersson at his current rate before he walks UFA or becomes Cap negative value. 

 

2 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Sorry but IMHAO you don’t understand player value. Garland for Anderson is not fair., We would need to add a lot. That’s a cap dumperoo from us for a player with actual value.. 

That's your proposal not mine. Trade our leading scorer 5v5 for a bag of pucks as a cap dump if you had your way. 

[Alflives]

3 minutes ago, Hammertime said:

Like I said if youre right we will go after someone else. I think he will be traded and I don't think the price will be much more than I'm offering and canucks fans everywhere will melt down. It will depend on what Andersson is looking for on his extension and how far apart he and calgary are. The price is for 1.5 seasons of Andersson at his current rate before he walks UFA or becomes Cap negative value. 

 

That's your proposal not mine. Trade our leading scorer 5v5 for a bag of pucks as a cap dump if you had your way. 

Leading scorer 5 on 5 on Tuesday’s when it’s dark out. Is this Tom Selleck from Mr. Baseball? 

[Hammertime]

1 minute ago, Alflives said:

Leading scorer 5 on 5 on Tuesday’s when it’s dark out. Is this Tom Selleck from Mr. Baseball? 

All undue respect your Garland smear campaign is full retard. Your schtik works when it's more Forest Gump than Simple Jack.

 

I suppose you think you're funny though. 

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, Hammertime said:

All undue respect your Garland smear campaign is full retard. Your schtik works when it's more Forest Gump than Simple Jack.

 

I suppose you think you're funny though. 

Full what? Yes, this is fun for old Alf. But notice how he doesn’t make comments like what you just did? It’s okay to have fun here. It’s not okay to use certain classifications of groups of people as some kind of negative. (Except Coiler fans, of course) 
Garland is a concrete Garden Gnome. If we’re relying on him to be our top guy then we aren’t maki the playoffs and will draft top five. If you’re 10 Alf understands. He thought the world of certain players when he was a child. 

[Coconuts]

27 minutes ago, Hammertime said:

Like I said if youre right we will go after someone else. I think he will be traded and I don't think the price will be much more than I'm offering and canucks fans everywhere will melt down. It will depend on what Andersson is looking for on his extension and how far apart he and calgary are. The price is for 1.5 seasons of Andersson at his current rate before he walks UFA or becomes Cap negative value. 

 

That's your proposal not mine. Trade our leading scorer 5v5 for a bag of pucks as a cap dump if you had your way. 

 

Agree to disagree, and I think there's a solid chance Calgary simply throws the bank at him, it's not as if they'll lack the cap space. Tearing a team down to the studs isn't always a smart way of approaching a rebuild, sometimes you need to keep quality players, we did this with Edler and Tanev. Weegar's the only D they currently have signed beyond next season, someone's gotta play those top four minutes.

 

Thing is, that's still two playoff runs with Andersson at his current cap hit at worst. Best case scenario for most teams, they work out an extension beforehand. The Flames could also retain, which would drive up not only the return, but the number of teams who could potentially bid on him. 

 

I reckon we'll be looking elsewhere, for more of 3-4D than a 1-2, which we arguably already have in Hughes and Hronek. Maybe Hronek's a 3D, but still. 

[Hammertime]

21 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Full what? Yes, this is fun for old Alf. But notice how he doesn’t make comments like what you just did? It’s okay to have fun here. It’s not okay to use certain classifications of groups of people as some kind of negative. (Except Coiler fans, of course) 
Garland is a concrete Garden Gnome. If we’re relying on him to be our top guy then we aren’t maki the playoffs and will draft top five. If you’re 10 Alf understands. He thought the world of certain players when he was a child. 

Youre going there over a movie quote.

 

 

And the next thread over endorsing a guy like Val Nichushkin who has drugged human traffic being picked up in ambulances from his hotel room, over a classy guy like "WhoreFat". 

Edited November 11 by Hammertime

[Alflives]

5 minutes ago, Hammertime said:

Youre going there over a movie quote.

And the next thread over endorsing a guy like Val Nichushkin who has drugged human traffic being picked up in ambulances from his hotel room, over a classy guy like "WhoreFat". 

Understood. You win. Alf is the “R” word. All those who think different than you is a “R”.  
It’s all good. 

[Hammertime]

2 hours ago, Alflives said:

Understood. You win. Alf is the “R” word. All those who think different than you is a “R”.  
It’s all good. 

Again you can't read.

 

Did I refer to you? Or your actions (garland smear campaign). 

 

Spare me the victim routine.  "It’s okay to have fun here. It’s not okay to use certain classifications of groups of people as some kind of negative".

 

Actually calling people (not their actions) Whore and Gnome is acceptable to you as humor?

Edited November 11 by Hammertime

[BigTramFan]

Lots of teams are going to be looking to upgrade their D. It is going to be a bidding war at the TDL or prior.

 

While Andersson would be a great fit in VAN, I think his acquisition cost would be too high (likely would need to add Lekkerimaki or Willander plus a 1st round pick). For top 4 D targets I think these guys are more affordable to acquire: M Pettersson (L), Alexandre Carrier (R), M Kesselring (R)

 

Lauzon is a good physical player, but not convinced he is top 4 material.

 

Soucy has a full NTC. Can't see him willing to move somewhere else right now.

[Hammertime]

26 minutes ago, BigTramFan said:

Lots of teams are going to be looking to upgrade their D. It is going to be a bidding war at the TDL or prior.

 

While Andersson would be a great fit in VAN, I think his acquisition cost would be too high (likely would need to add Lekkerimaki or Willander plus a 1st round pick). For top 4 D targets I think these guys are more affordable to acquire: M Pettersson (L), Alexandre Carrier (R), M Kesselring (R)

 

Lauzon is a good physical player, but not convinced he is top 4 material.

 

Soucy has a full NTC. Can't see him willing to move somewhere else right now.

If the price really is that high meh pursue other options. 

Brayden Mcnabb or M Pettersson  I think would make great partners for Hronek. 

I'm hoping that Brannstrom will be allowed to be more creative.

 

I suppose your right on Soucy. I would like to see more Braanstrom I know it's premature but what a home run it would be if we can turn him into a top 4, I don't think that's happening with our current cast on RD though. I think Ideally where we want to be on D is with Soucy Myers bottom pair but playing hard minutes facilitating better quality minutes for our top 4. 

 

I feel like Pete is caught in a feedback loop. He needs a playmaker, he's continually playing with North South guys and it's not working. Nyquist seems like the kind of player that can create offense with Pete without driving Tocc mad. 

 

 

[BigTramFan]

20 hours ago, Hammertime said:

If the price really is that high meh pursue other options. 

Brayden Mcnabb or M Pettersson  I think would make great partners for Hronek. 

I'm hoping that Brannstrom will be allowed to be more creative.

 

I suppose your right on Soucy. I would like to see more Braanstrom I know it's premature but what a home run it would be if we can turn him into a top 4, I don't think that's happening with our current cast on RD though. I think Ideally where we want to be on D is with Soucy Myers bottom pair but playing hard minutes facilitating better quality minutes for our top 4. 

 

I feel like Pete is caught in a feedback loop. He needs a playmaker, he's continually playing with North South guys and it's not working. Nyquist seems like the kind of player that can create offense with Pete without driving Tocc mad. 

 

 

 

Yeah agree. While Andersson would be awesome, not willing to pay that much for him.

 

I think Marcus Pettersson is a solid target. Good legit top 4, 2-way player that would help settle Myers down a bit too. Use Pettersson-Myers as our main shutdown pair. Then use Soucy-Brannstrom in a 3rd pairing role but able to play significant minutes 5v5.

 

Maybe trade Desharnais + Hoglander + a pick to PIT for M Pettersson. Desharnais is the odd man out if we upgrade on D. Hoglander hopefully has enough value to make the pick a 2nd rounder, instead of a 1st rounder...

 

I like Nyquist as a target too. Think we need to see how things pan out in the forward group once Joshua is back. Still think a line of Joshua-EP-Garland will be money.

 

If NSH are rebuilding I'd love to see us acquire McCarron as that big 4C/4RW that can win draws, PK and provides size and grit. Don't know what his acquisition cost is, but signed through next season at $900k, so very affordable in terms of cap hit.

 

It's early days but hoping for something like this roster in the playoffs:

 

DeBrusk Miller Boeser

Joshua EP Garland

Heinen Blueger Sherwood

Suter Raty McCarron

(Aman, Lekkerimaki, Bains, Di Giuseppe)

 

Hughes Hronek

M Pettersson Myers

Soucy Brannstrom

(Forbort, Juulsen, Friedman, McWard)

 

Demko, Lankinen

(Silovs, Patera)

[Alflives]

3 minutes ago, BigTramFan said:

 

Yeah agree. While Andersson would be awesome, not willing to pay that much for him.

 

I think Marcus Pettersson is a solid target. Good legit top 4, 2-way player that would help settle Myers down a bit too. Use Pettersson-Myers as our main shutdown pair. Then use Soucy-Brannstrom in a 3rd pairing role but able to play significant minutes 5v5.

 

Maybe trade Desharnais + Hoglander + a pick to PIT for M Pettersson. Desharnais is the odd man out if we upgrade on D. Hoglander hopefully has enough value to make the pick a 2nd rounder, instead of a 1st rounder...

 

I like Nyquist as a target too. Think we need to see how things pan out in the forward group once Joshua is back. Still think a line of Joshua-EP-Garland will be money.

 

If NSH are rebuilding I'd love to see us acquire McCarron as that big 4C/4RW that can win draws, PK and provides size and grit. Don't know what his acquisition cost is, but signed through next season at $900k, so very affordable in terms of cap hit.

 

It's early days but hoping for something like this roster in the playoffs:

 

DeBrusk Miller Boeser

Joshua EP Garland

Heinen Blueger Sherwood

Suter Raty McCarron

(Aman, Lekkerimaki, Bains, Di Giuseppe)

 

Hughes Hronek

M Pettersson Myers

Soucy Brannstrom

(Forbort, Juulsen, Friedman, McWard)

 

Demko, Lankinen

(Silovs, Patera)

Trade Garland and keep Hogs. 

[BigTramFan]

1 hour ago, Alflives said:

Trade Garland and keep Hogs. 

Problem with Hogs is his off-the-puck play.

 

So far this season:

Garland: GF/60 = 3.0, GA/60 = 2.3

Hoglander: GF/60 = 3.0, GA/60 = 3.4

[Hammertime]

1 hour ago, Alflives said:

Trade Garland and keep Hogs. 

[Hammertime]

7 minutes ago, BigTramFan said:

Problem with Hogs is his off-the-puck play.

 

So far this season:

Garland: GF/60 = 3.0, GA/60 = 2.3

Hoglander: GF/60 = 3.0, GA/60 = 3.4

no point he's bowing to his empties.

 

hugging the bowl.

 

Edited November 12 by Hammertime

[Ghostsof1915]

You're not funny sir. Ask around.....

[Kevin Biestra]

On 11/11/2024 at 5:55 PM, Ghostsof1915 said:

You're not funny sir. Ask around.....

 

 

Best scene in the movie.  Richard Edson's pained facial expressions make me laugh every time.

[Ghostsof1915]

36 minutes ago, Kevin Biestra said:

 

 

Best scene in the movie.  Richard Edson's pained facial expressions make me laugh every time.

I love the listener response.

 

"You suck the sweat off a dead man's balls..."

I don't know what that means sir, but that sounds very negative to me.....