Discussion: Should Canucks inquire on D: Samuelsson(Buf) & or Murphy(Chi)

[Viking_10]

As title states, worth a chance trying to acquire M. Samuelsson from Buffalo(4.3m cap hit) & or C.Murphy(4.4m) Chicago.
 

Canucks would send back Hoglander, Desharnais, Soucy a combined 2024-25 cap hit of: 6.6m 24/25 season)

 

If adds need to be made, make some suggestions... (if you think this could a trade topic or fantasy league trade idea...)

 

Anyways, your input will be appreciated if this has an traction??

 

Could Samuelsson be a partner for when Willander arrives and hopefully grabs top 4D spot in due time?

[Ghostsof1915]

Kick the tires sure.

But they won't make a deal without either a 1st round pick, and probably Willander. 

 

We don't have much to offer in trades. The better the team gets, the worse that 1st rounder gets. 

 

If you trade Garland that will kill our offence. 

 

 

[Phil_314]

Do we want to pair Samuelsson or Murphy with Hughes?  It would stabilize things defensively but should we try him with Hronek and ask Filip to be the primary puck-mover on that pair to get him going offensively?  Quinn is doing his thing but I would want to ensure that Filip gets going, since if we put him on L2/ PP2 (with Samuelsson or Murphy taking his spot) I just hope it doesn't further tank Filip's play by taking away his ice time next to Hughes, since we can't afford to let his $7 million contract tank by not giving him enough opportunity.

Edited November 11 by Phil_314

[Alflives]

Might happen but not for Hogs. If a forward goes it would be Garland. 

[Honkin Hronek]

Samuelsson is the right type of player but he's had significant injuries recently, has a large contract, and hasn't started the season well. I'm not sold that he'd withstand playoff hockey. 

[AK-19]

Not sure I like either player, I'd aim higher ex: Byram and Andersson.

[BigTramFan]

Soucy has a full NTC, so doubt he'd waive to go to CHI or BUF

[Viking_10]

On 11/11/2024 at 11:11 AM, Ghostsof1915 said:

Kick the tires sure.

But they won't make a deal without either a 1st round pick, and probably Willander. 

 

We don't have much to offer in trades. The better the team gets, the worse that 1st rounder gets. 

 

If you trade Garland that will kill our offence. 

 

 

Thanks for the reply, I did Not mention trading Garland in my post though, so not sure where that comes from

[Viking_10]

On 11/11/2024 at 11:12 AM, Phil_314 said:

Do we want to pair Samuelsson or Murphy with Hughes?  It would stabilize things defensively but should we try him with Hronek and ask Filip to be the primary puck-mover on that pair to get him going offensively?  Quinn is doing his thing but I would want to ensure that Filip gets going, since if we put him on L2/ PP2 (with Samuelsson or Murphy taking his spot) I just hope it doesn't further tank Filip's play by taking away his ice time next to Hughes, since we can't afford to let his $7 million contract tank by not giving him enough opportunity.

Murphy would make sense Right shot guy. Would allow Hronek to go to 2nd pair with Soucy.

 

Our 2nd pair is terrible right now, I know Quinn likes playing with Hronek, but for the better of the team, Hronek and his hefty 7.25m should be the active offensive guy on his own pairing imo.

 

That would Lead to Brannstrom Myers for the bottom pair

[Viking_10]

20 hours ago, AK-19 said:

Not sure I like either player, I'd aim higher ex: Byram and Andersson.

Are you giving up 1 of Willander or Lekkerimaki plus 1 st plus more? 

 

That is too rich for me!!sAlvin hould have gotten Andersson last year from Calgary... instead of Lindholm a UFA that was never going to stay once pinned as a #3C & rumours he wanted to hit FA regardless. Maybe has friends in Boston he wanted to play with and for a team known to make playoffs?

[Viking_10]

17 hours ago, BigTramFan said:

Soucy has a full NTC, so doubt he'd waive to go to CHI or BUF

For sure, but if we can send out Desharnais/Forbort instead we can have Soucy remain, which would be good for the Canucks

[fuzzy]

Murphy is worth looking into. I wonder if Kesselring could be had.

[Ghostsof1915]

53 minutes ago, Viking_10 said:

Thanks for the reply, I did Not mention trading Garland in my post though, so not sure where that comes from

When you make a trade you need to send the other team something.

What would you be offering? Garland is one of the few forwards that would get a good return. But the team can't afford to lose him.

I'm basically saying what do you have to offer the other team? We really don't have anything. 

[Drive-By Body Pierce]

7 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

When you make a trade you need to send the other team something.

What would you be offering? Garland is one of the few forwards that would get a good return. But the team can't afford to lose him.

I'm basically saying what do you have to offer the other team? We really don't have anything. 

 

Just send them the recently acquired Future Considerations.

[DrJockitch]

Have to figure we have Willander on the team after BC’s season is done. 
Brannstrom-Myers

Soucy-Willander in bottom 4. 

Still not a great D but better than what we got so far. 

[EdgarM]

This is what we get when we go shopping in the bargain bin in the off-season for defenseman. We signed Myers, Forbort and Desharnais knowing full well we needed a top 4 defenseman. Wait until the post season comes.

Garland tied for scoring with Miller and Boeser and making far less? Yeah he should be a guy we are looking to move out. Too funny!

Not to mention he is the play driver what ever line he plays on and is the most consistent player on the team. Some people. 

[Viking_10]

5 hours ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

When you make a trade you need to send the other team something.

What would you be offering? Garland is one of the few forwards that would get a good return. But the team can't afford to lose him.

I'm basically saying what do you have to offer the other team? We really don't have anything. 

Well, I made a discussion about the 2 players, not a proposal.

 

Hoglander has to be considered available given his 4th line ice time. If Hoggy was asked for I would want Desharnais going back to off set salary as well.

[Provost]

On 11/11/2024 at 11:11 AM, Ghostsof1915 said:

Kick the tires sure.

But they won't make a deal without either a 1st round pick, and probably Willander. 

 

We don't have much to offer in trades. The better the team gets, the worse that 1st rounder gets. 

 

If you trade Garland that will kill our offence. 

 

 

Samuelson isn’t going to cost nearly that much.  He is firmly in the coaches dog house and was even a healthy scratch.  He was sat for 9 days and last game they played him less than 7 minutes.

 

It is a both sides will want to move on type of scenario unless things turn around really fast.

 

Bigger cap hit than what he is performing at this year and signed to long term.  Has an injury history that also drops his value.

 

Hoglander and Desharnias plus maybe a middling prospect or pick would likely get it done.

 

The upside is that before this year and a new coach, he was a legit top four guy and is still only 

 

 

 

Edited November 13 by Provost

[qwijjibo]

5 hours ago, Provost said:

Samuelson isn’t going to cost nearly that much.  He is firmly in the coaches dog house and was even a healthy scratch.  He was sat for 9 days and last game they played him less than 7 minutes.

 

It is a both sides will want to move on type of scenario unless things turn around really fast.

 

Bigger cap hit than what he is performing at this year and signed to long term.  Has an injury history that also drops his value.

 

Hoglander and Desharnias plus maybe a middling prospect or pick would likely get it done.

 

The upside is that before this year and a new coach, he was a legit top four guy and is still only 

 

 

 

Samuelson only played 7 minutes in the last game because he left with a lower body injury. There's been no update on how long he'll be out 

Edited November 13 by qwijjibo

[Rypien-Punch]

Murphy would help balance things out and he is an upgrade on Desjarnais

 

Hughes Hronek

Branstrom Murphy

Soucy Myers 

 

With Chicago claiming Fabbro they might consider moving Murphy for assets. 

 

What would it cost? Hoglander, Desjarnais, and a pick should get it done. Hopefully not a 1st 

[Viking_10]

5 hours ago, Provost said:

Samuelson isn’t going to cost nearly that much.  He is firmly in the coaches dog house and was even a healthy scratch.  He was sat for 9 days and last game they played him less than 7 minutes.

 

It is a both sides will want to move on type of scenario unless things turn around really fast.

 

Bigger cap hit than what he is performing at this year and signed to long term.  Has an injury history that also drops his value.

 

Hoglander and Desharnias plus maybe a middling prospect or pick would likely get it done.

 

The upside is that before this year and a new coach, he was a legit top four guy and is still only 

 

 

 

Thanks for the insight, you know your stats!

 

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[Viking_10]

2 hours ago, Rypien-Punch said:

Murphy would help balance things out and he is an upgrade on Desjarnais

 

Hughes Hronek

Branstrom Murphy

Soucy Myers 

 

With Chicago claiming Fabbro they might consider moving Murphy for assets. 

 

What would it cost? Hoglander, Desjarnais, and a pick should get it done. Hopefully not a 1st 

That would be a nice D group or an upgrade on what we got anyway!

[Toccfather]

I'm on board for any of M.Pettersson, I.Provorov, C.Murphy. 

 

The only reason I lean towards a LHD is because i see Willander as a part of the team next year, but if management thinks a year of additional development would be in the cards, C.Murphy with retention could be an excellent placeholder. 

Edited November 13 by Toccfather

[Viking_10]

50 minutes ago, Toccfather said:

I'm on board for any of M.Pettersson, I.Provorov, C.Murphy. 

 

The only reason I lean towards a LHD is because i see Willander as a part of the team next year, but if management thinks a year of additional development would be in the cards, C.Murphy with retention could be an excellent placeholder. 

Thanks for the input, good points made by you!

[qwijjibo]