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4 minutes ago, WHL rocks said:

I don't think Dubas got close to Benning's level of incompetence. 

 

Benning imo is in a league of his own. 

To top it off Benning had John Weisbrod as his sidekick advising him.

 

Closest pair to dumb and dumber in professional sports. 

 

I was more happy about Weisbrod getting fired than Benning. That guy is an absolute cancer anywhere he goes. 

I think Kessel is going to be a good add for someone.

But to those who want him here, how many more f***ing offensive minded wingers do the Canucks need?

Maybe if they get rid of one of their overpaid underperforming middle 6 guys you sign him to a 1 year cheap deal. 

The Canucks are soft as butter. Same as they have been for a decade or more. Anyone they add needs to be able to play a tougher game. There are already enough guys who drive by and mail it in when the going gets tough. 

Just now, King Heffy said:

Dubas for some reason was gifted another job, and he's even more stupid than Benning.

Let’s not go too crazy. Benning was pretty much allergic to things going anything but worst case. It was actually kind of otherworldly levels of ineptitude. 

3 minutes ago, WHL rocks said:

Lol. When I wrote the post you just quoted I thought to my self too bad JB isn't the GM in the league right now. He would jump on this type of deal. 

 

Heck he might even send a 1st rounder as part of the package. 

2nd rounder for sure. 

Don’t forget the token 7th as well.

1 minute ago, Huggy Bear said:

Rhetorical question, amigo. 

Thinking of it as asset management means thinking of accumulating enough prime assets to improve your lineup anywhere it needs to be improved. 
 

No such thing as too many quality assets. 

On 10/13/2023 at 11:50 AM, Huggy Bear said:

Then how will we know when to stop complaining about depth?

When you shift to think about it as assets to make the right moves to build a winning roster instead of thinking of it as depth. 

7 minutes ago, Huggy Bear said:

I was just curious if @LaBamba could quantify how far off we are from having the depth needed for success and a long run. 

 

You’re missing the point of the question. See above.

 

 

 

$5-6M for an upgrade, losing Blueger, Myers and Cole, with Räty potentially ready, Höglander at $1.1M, and Podz likely resigned at $1-2M.   
 

That’s actually not that bad.  

No one can quantify how much is needed. The answer is enough to be able to make every move you need to make and/or fill every position necessary to fill.

Asset management is the key. That means not wasting assets but accumulating them (players, picks, prospects) until you have enough to make the necessary moves to be competitive. 

13 minutes ago, Huggy Bear said:

Of course, good point.

 

So which team is poised for success this year based on their depth, and despite any injuries?
 

 

Not the Canucks despite having 10 years to do so.

That was the whole point lol

7 minutes ago, Huggy Bear said:

Can you quantify that to support your opinion?

 

How will you know when the Canucks have the right amount of depth at each position?

You can never have enough assets. What you don’t need you use to get what you need. 
 

No idea why anyone is arguing that point. It’s been a main reason the Canucks have been trash for a decade. 

19 minutes ago, Jester13 said:

 

 

When the team plays like Drance has been saying they need to for a long time now, he sings praise, as he should. Last night was everything we've been missing for many years. Lfg.

lol I know. I was joking. 

15 minutes ago, AAA said:

 

 

 

 

 

Ok has whoever kidnapped Drance given their ransom demands yet?

13 minutes ago, Locke Lamora said:

It’s strange how the Oilers, year after year, remain completely oblivious to the fact that goaltending is the most important position in hockey.

All 5 players being committed to defensive play helps a bit too. 

2 minutes ago, D-Money said:

Everyone picking Oilers as cup favorites. But when they don't have Ekholm, there's no one left who can defend well.

Their overall defense is trash. And it doesn’t help that their forwards are for the most part allergic to defensive play. 

4 minutes ago, eeeeeeeeergh said:

I’m paraphrasing mcwhiner who was complaining about Vancouver putting out its #1 pp unit when we were already up by a gorillion goals 

anyone have the McDavid interview? I already know what he will say and how he will say it but nothing like a few McDavid tears to make the world right. 

Just now, Smashian Kassian said:

 

Demko was on the verge of throwing up in his mask & still stoned those clowns.

 

McDives tears are icing on the cake tonight

Seeing McDavid and Draisaitl so visibly whiny is always a nice touch.

I’m actually shocked we didn’t see way more headhunting on our players given how whiny Edmonton is. 

22 minutes ago, PistolPete13 said:

Don’t forget about Hrudey. This guy approves however.

 

Ya Hrudey would probably have openly cried too. 

Could only watch the game with the sound off tonight. Looking at who was calling the game I bet that was for the best. 
 

Did Debrusk openly cry? Like Craig Simpson level cry?

16 minutes ago, aGENT said:

 

 

 

 

I wasn't defending Benning in that post 

 

 

 

Pretty much.

Pretty familiar with your stance on Benning lol.

Like you are saying, I think it’s important for people to understand the nuances that really made what on paper should have been better moves tank so badly during his tenure. 
 

One poster on here compares Benning to Gillis (and thinks Benning was better at building depth lol).

That comparison is the best evidence there is that building out your depth makes the difference. 

1 hour ago, aGENT said:

It's not actually THAT bad of a list. Most of those guys can/could play legit hockey. Some even at a relatively high level. A lot of them went on to do exactly that on other teams (and a lot of the lesser guys went on as solid role players elsewhere).

 

What they weren't, was a good fit HERE, with the personnel/roles we had. Nor was anything seemingly done to try to actually get them complementary partners/roles.

 

Benning was ok at collecting decent parts. What he was awful at, was actually assembling complementary parts in to a cohesive TEAM.

And this is everything in building a team. 

1 hour ago, AnthonyG said:

We had several pending UFAs along with the upcoming negotiations of what REALLY mattered, the RFAs. Plus no certainty of any cap increase for the foreseeable future. Cut bait with the UFAs, avoid long term, get short term UFAs in preparation for any cap increase and make certain to get the RFAs inked.

Then when all your disastrous short term signings (3 years is not short term btw) have one year left, go and trade all that soon to be expired cap plus a top 10 pick and a high 2nd to replace that cap for 5 years of a rapidly declining dman who was redundant on your roster and a tiny winger who plays a completely one man show type game. 
 

Ya Jimbo sure had a great strategy going. 
 

That one trade is the most negative impact trade in Canucks history bar none. 

1 hour ago, AnthonyG said:

Gillis dat you? 
keep stroking yourself to Gillasses “accomplishments”

hmm he had nothing to do with

Daniel

Henrik

Burrows

Kesler

Hansen

Raymond

Bieksa

Edler

Salo

Luongo

Schneider

 
Gillis basically gave the team a pedicure. 
 

Gillis = no farm system behind

Kinda hard to fill a farm when you have to rebuild a team first 

Here’s a news flash. I hated the last few years of Gillis tenure. I regularly called for it to be his time to go. He was never my favourite GM and I found him to be arrogant.

Go ahead, ask around. I’m sure there are plenty of old school guys on here who remember my thoughts on Gillis at the end. 

But the results speak for themselves. 
 

The reality is that to be a consistent top team in the league you need depth players that add a positive impact. No one can argue that Gillis made a lot of really good moves for complimentary players that almost got us a cup. 
 

Remember that the core group struggled a lot in the playoffs prior to that too so his moves obviously had a positive impact.

Benning drafted a handful of good players, made a couple of good trades and pretty much everything else he did blew up in his face.

A consistent winning team leaving a bare farm is way different than a consistent bottom feeder team leaving a bare farm. 
 

Benning was the worst GM in our history and with our history that’s saying something.