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I've had sharts I enjoyed more than that game. 

Fucking play hockey you turds.

Toch best be pumping those boys up in the room. That period was embarrassing. They should be embarrassed. Time to come out in the third and right that wrong. 

Let's frigging go! 

Take a body or win a battle for the puck. It's not complicated. 

1 hour ago, JIAHN said:

 

Not that I disagree with you

 

But, isn't it sad that we live in one of the best countries i the world and still most of us feel this way....

 

I mean, really think about it!

 

Do we expect too much?

Too much? I don't think so. We're a wealthy country (and lucky to live in it) but we do need to ensure that wealth is responsibly managed. That our people are cared for, our land and water aren't polluted in the name of progress or profit, that our rights are protected. 

I certainly don't share the current Conservative sentiment that Canada is "broken". We certainly aren't in comparison to most of the developed world after a global pandemic, global aging population, corporate profiting, climate change (floods, fires, crops) two idiotic "wars", inflation etc. It's a bit of a shit time globally TBH (especially for younger folks who haven't had time to build wealth) but as tough as that is, it has very little to do with the current minority government in Canada. This is still a very good country despite those very real, but global, problems. 

And the problems we do have, are largely made worse by Conservative governments historically. Unless people think they're magically going to do 180's on climate change, tax cuts for the wealthy/corporations (and slashing funding to social safety nets for the not wealthy to pay for them), being anti-union/labour etc are going to improve their lot. 

5 minutes ago, RWMc1 said:

One of the very first things any conservative government does is to cut taxes to ultra wealthy and to corporations.

 

The burden to compensate for those cuts falls on everyone else.

 

Unless you are a millionaire, you're part of everyone else.

 

I don't get how any honest working person could support that.

It's like so COMPLETELY baffling right?!

It's not even a difficult concept to visualize/understand, and yet MILLIONS of people ignore it and vote for them...?

8 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

I dont know politics like you and I am sure the NDP has a lot of flaws. I'm just getting sick of the other two parties...

Welcome to the club  

I just wish the federal NDP made themselves in to something more viable of an alternative. It's like ok, we can agree neither of the other two parties are great. They're bad and awful. Let's make a 3rd party but have rainbow unicorns for our economic plan and the biggest turd for our party leader!

7 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

 

True, but I never actually said you or anyone else is advocating for more debt and deficits.  The Conservative Party may continue to run a deficit in the future.  As a matter of act, I'd be shocked if they didn't.  $40-50 billion is too much of a debt burden to be able just to get rid of in a short period of time without wiping out all social programs.  Problem is neither government will be wiping out the deficit anytime soon, if ever...

Well can we agree that water's wet then? And maybe stop bringing it up as some argument "for" the cons/"against" the Liberals? 

They're both shitty with our tax dollars. The conservatives historically worse and far more prone to handing out tax dollars over to the wealthy, corporations (and frequently foreign ones at that, where the money doesn't even stay in Canada to @Boudrias earlier point). And more so at the expense of the lower and working classes that get their social safety nets slashed to pay for it. At least the Libs throw those groups some crumbs while doing so.

We frankly shouldn't be rewarding either party with our votes.

1 minute ago, bishopshodan said:

I mean,

 

We could try giving the NDP a crack at it.

 

Seems the Cons and Libs are both weak for us peoplekind of Canada. 

I don't like some of their platform. Particularly I think some of their economic ideas are at best naive. Also haven't cared for their about face on the carbon tax evidently only as a means to differentiate themselves from the Liberals, over sound policy. And despite his party's success in attaining goals under this minority government, I think Singh may be the worst leader out of a collection of actual turds of the three major, national parties. 

That said, I'd welcome a minority NDP government, if nothing else to force the other two parties to do better. Really if we're going to have shitty fiscal management under any of the three parties, we may as well get something out of it as citizens. And we stand a fat better chance of getting something for those tax dollars under the NDP, than we do the Liberals or especially the Cons. 

It's kind of sad those are our three options though.

8 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

Again if tax breaks or incentives are not working then they should be adjusted or eliminated. They were brought in for a purpose. Sure Lobbyists might influence decision making but ultimately it is the politicians responsibility to ensure the public interest is maintained. If they don't they should be held to task, exposed and voted out. 

 

Workers are citizens and integral parts of companies. 60 Minutes just ran a program on companies in the USA who issued equity shares in their companies. They are called ESOPs. Employee Stock Ownership Plans. I am a big fan. It merges employee and management goal setting. Far greater employee decision making. All employees were given financial advice on personal finance and involvement in company goal setting. I don't know how well this is done in Canada.

Both the Liberals and even more so the Conservatives are responsible for bringing in and maintaining those loopholes, tax breaks etc that serve the wealthy/corporations over citizens. The Conservatives are even more corporate/wealthy tax break/loophole friendly than the Liberals. Electing Conservatives to fix that is plain silly.

14 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

 

Sure, as soon as you can show me where I said that people here are arguing FOR debt/deficits...

You two are the ones that keep bringing it up, while arguing for a conservative run government... 

7 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

My question would be why do the 'tax loopholes' exist in the first place? Usually tax breaks are used to encourage private investment. If they are not doing that job well enough then remove them from the tax code. I don't think citizens can condemn people or corporations for utilizing tax incentives. I would certainly agree with a better explanation by government on why they exist and a accurate measurement of the effectiveness. Perhaps another question to address is why capital is leaving Canada to the tune of + $100 billion a year? Been happening for decades. If it is to invest in American operations I would question the effectiveness of NAFTA. IMHO Canada has to have an industrial strategy that both the Liberals and CPC agree to pursue over multiple administrations. The Americans are far more consistent in their priorities than we are. 

 

On what basis do you determine gouging? Levi has jeans made in 3rd world countries and sell them for $100's in Canada. Is that gouging? People love to say the grocery stores are gouging us. There is no doubt that their pricing has gone up. What is the fair return for this industry? All are public companies and their profits are available to view. I won't buy their stock as their growth is poor and their ROI is poor, their dividends are not particularly good. Maybe the telcos are. They charge a lot. I was surprised that the Rogers purchase of Shaw was allowed. Bottom line was that Shaw was in financial trouble. Just reading the other day that Telus is investing $100's of billions into their infrastructure across the country. I think Corporations are gouging us requires more detail.

Other than closing tax loopholes (unfortunately unlikely given the power of lobbyists), the best way to counter record corporate profits is for workers to demand better compensation and a larger slice of that pie. That's on workers, not the government. Though the Conservatives are historically far more anti-worker/union.

1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said:

 

100% agree Boudrias.  The current deficit is a massive problem with an interest payment of $40 billion and growing.  In effect this interest payment will never go away and will probably get much worse over the next 3-5 years.  Will probably hit $50 billion at some point.   

Can you show me anyone here arguing FOR debt/deficits?

Something which Conservatives are historically just as (more) guilty of by the way.

6 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said:

Ghosting @aGENT

 

 

Que?

9 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

We also lost the access to that rail to Cargill too.

 

Which is ironic considering we then couldn't ship bitumen by rail because Cargill blocked it.

 

Smart eh

Almost like someone planned that to benefit from it...

10 hours ago, JIAHN said:

Conservatives, believe in smaller government, which on the surface sounds great, but the Conservatives sold off our National energy Program in the mid-eighties, and

 

according to my Conservative friends, feel that was a good thing! Really? What else would they sell off that, 20 years later, we would ask why we did that? Water?

We lost the Wheat Board to the Saudis under Harper too.

There it is!

Don't throw garbage on in the ice? What do you call that fucking "penalty"?

7 hours ago, 112 said:

I'm not an economist and don't fully understand how national debt = bad, but I do trust that a Conservative government would be more 'responsible' in managing it. With that said, there will be a very real cost to people when those cuts are made.

They really aren't though. They rack up just as much (often more debt), giving our tax dollars to primarily the wealthy and corporations, while slashing public services and selling off Canadian assets to foreign interests to pay for it.

As I said at the top of this page, they're not going to help the vast majority of Canadians. The young people struggling in the present economy/state of the world who think they're going to help them are in for quite the rude awakening.

21 hours ago, canuck2xtreme said:

146 - Washington vs Pittsburgh - 206
154 - Buffalo vs Toronto - 198

238 - Edmonton vs Vancouver - 200
59 - Winnipeg vs Colorado - 189

Is pickup going to be updated with 2nd round roster?

So far, boys are playing like they expected Edmonton to even the series tonight. Let's hope that changes in the third.