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Exactly this. Benning was the worst GM in franchise history and that’s saying something.

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not sure if that’s a good thing or a bad thing lol

I don’t know Heffy. They are not as bad as they used to be,

some might say “foundational” even haha

I can never root for seeing the leafs get to the final or win a cup.

The real difference between McDavid and others is that he has top level (or near to it) offensive and skating skills but it’s mostly that he can do everything at an elite level while skating at top speed. His hockey iq is also off the charts.

Neely wasn’t a HOF calibre power forward when we traded him though. OEL had been declining for several years when we traded for him. And Garland had no real track record showing he deserved the extension he got.

Correction. The Canucks have never sucked bad enough after they have all but been mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. They have sucked enough plenty of times even recently other than a late season meaningless game heater that does nothing but give them a meh draft position.

you and me both my friend

mom pretty sure he will score more goals almost by default. I have seen sone flashes where he played hard on the boards. Hopefully he can find consistency there.

Under that scenario then was the Neely trade really that bad? Pedersen was a 100 point player. Iirc he had two 70+ point seasons in Van after the trade. Using cap in a cap world is a far more fair evaluation tool than using a 30 plus year trade arc. At the time the trade was bad but using your criteria it was not in consideration for worst of all time anything.

That’s true. It’s definitely time to put up or shut up.

How do you call or even debate a trade being the “worst of all time” if you can’t directly compare different eras? It’s the same as me saying you can’t compare a non cap era trade to the current cap environment. There is no reasonable way to know if Neely would have helped or not that far out. There’s also no way of knowing how he would have developed had he stayed in Vancouver. The Canucks considered him more a checker than a power forward. I mean they were dumb about him for sure but had he stayed he may have only been a bottom 6 guy. He was given huge opportunity in Boston and ran with it.

I am very curious to see if Boeser can improve his skating and his game in general.

Trading Neely was a terrible move for sure. But it did not cripple the Canucks anywhere near what the OEL deal did. Suggesting Neely would have helped us win in 94 is a stretch. That’s a long time. He may not have even been in Van that long either way. Cap matters because that’s a huge part of the outcome of any trade now. Comparing the Neely trade and its subsequent epic levels of fail arc in the many years since is moving the goalposts. At the time we made a bad trade. But it was only eligible for worst all time due to all the subsequent moves that made it look even worse.

Better than our 4-7 lines and 4-6 d pairs like last time. Haha

Luongo was robbed of the Vezina in 06/07. And honestly probably should have won the Hart too. No player was even close to him in terms of impact on his team that year. His number will probably never be retired by the Canucks for several reasons. Probably should be based on the others that have been but I doubt it will.

That’s a pretty good deal for both sides

Ya but the terribleness of that trade is due to the arc that showed itself over a long period of time. At the time it was bad but not egregiously bad. The OEL trade was brutal the minute it went through. And is only getting worse. 20 years from now who knows what that arc will look like. Apples and oranges comparison. How I describe it is the Neely trade is really only terrible because of the huge long term win by Boston. The OEL trade is terrible because of the long term loss to the Canucks. That’s why it’s worse imo.

As bad as the Neely trade was at the time, the true nature of it being so bad was not realized until much later as the arc from it started showing itself. The OEL/Garland deal was as bad the minute it went through as it is now and almost everyone knew it at the time.

It’s a distant second to this deal. At least it didn’t cap handcuff the team for more than a decade like this one did. The OEL/Garland trade simultaneously ate up a ton of soon to be expiring cap and replaced it with long term cap, stunted the addition of quality prospects to the farm, and ultimately gave us a bottom pair quality defender and a bottom 6 quality winger both of whom were kind of redundant to the roster. Thats a lot of fail.

Any bubble guys who are playing need to take this as an opportunity to show they can play against sone of the best players in the world. They’ll likely come out on the losing end at times but just don’t get embarrassed. The entire team needs to outwork the Oilers no matter what happens on the scoreboard. The Canucks keep talking different culture and mindset. They have to show it though otherwise it’s just like every other year where we hear it’s going to be different.

Hard to get a read on what the actual systems look like based on that first game. I’m hoping we get a better idea in this one. Big PK challenge for sure so we will see how it does and what if anything has changed with the strategy.

That trade was the worst in franchise history and that’s saying something