Yoshiyoshi

i thought he was arrested for not taking a bribe personally

link doesnt exist anymore, curious what the orignal tweet was about

Ill be relieved if it passes

no, you cant control whether or not Russia will use them, so any situation where Russia is the aggressor worrying about Russian usage of them doesnt matter. It would be different if we were invading Russia but in this context its like worrying about someone who is trying to kill someone else shooting you for trying to stop them. If you have to ability to prevent someone being murdered then you usually should do that. Im not happy with the analogy there, but I cant think of a better way to put it.

Nuclear weapons are irrelevant to the situation. We can fight Russia in Ukraine, or we can fight Russia in our own backyard. Its a question of when not if. Better to fight now than put it off till later and the people who are sabotaging those efforts are just making things worse for all of us. Ukrainian aid is an investment, not an expense.

dont worry about it, hes a conspiracy theorist. dont even bother engaging.

its not necessarily blackmail, could just be cowardice. Afraid of a Polonium tea or falling out a window

No, because the information is generally accurate even if only one side. The problem is that there arent reliable sources for Ukrainian losses like there are for the Russian ones. For some reason Russia would rather lie about things even if the truth is less damaging to them. They care more about drowning out any true information than actually informing people of things. So if the generally reliable sources dont post info on Ukrainian losses, then we dont hear as much about it. But this thread isnt all good news either, there have been lots of posts of information that wasnt good news, just not nearly as many as the other way. Partly that is because Ukraine is doing far more damage than they are receiving (although the current issues are resulting in that not being as successful. There were places in the war where Ukraine was killing 10x as many Russians as they were losing. But Russia is a hell of a lot bigger than Ukraine and has 3-4x the population so they are able to keep going despite their losses.

I for one agree that this is relevant to this thread and the Ukraine war so please keep posting it!

not just Ukraine has that problem, we need to clean our own houses of the Russian influences as well, possibly other sources of corruption too. Whether or not we will though, that is the question.

If i was wrong about you supporting the genocide claims, i apologize.

Ok ill respond 1 more time but then im taking a break from this thread for a bit. I found your response offensive. I used an extreme analogy to point out what i took issue with in your post, and instead of responding to it you went "OMG Nazis im offended". That pisses me off. I cant control what offends you, but im not going to respect that either. Especially with the claims of genocide against Israel by you and others who support that claim. In recent replies to me you have dismissed things i have said as propaganda, ignored entire paragraphs by just saying im supporting injustice, or completely dismissing my response because im just a poster on a forum when i questioned the math on a statement. These responses are not attacks on my posts, but me. If you have facts to counter my facts then im fine with debating. I had more i wanted to say here but i cant find the words to properly express myself so im deleting it and stopping here. Last thing you asked, have I ever been in a violent situation, the answer is no. Ive never hurt anyone , not even when I was bullied as a kid. I wish i could have, maybe I wouldnt have been so unhappy with life. I dont associate with people who are likely to use violence nor do I go to places where such people hang out. You believe violence doesnt solve anything, I dont agree with that statement, sometimes it does, sometimes it makes things worse. From what ive seen in my life, nonviolence hasnt solved any problems either, they have just festered and gotten worse. You cannot reason with people who want you dead or enslaved, so what do you do? Ive decided that the right answer is to support those who are fighting such people. So I support Ukraine, I support Israel's Gaza campaign. I support the airstrikes in Yemen. Id rather support a Just war than an Unjust peace.Is the Israeli response disproportionate? I dont believe so, but the answer to this question wont be clear until after the war is over Ok no more debating or whatever this is. Im done for a bit

If that is how you respond to what i said, then lets just be done, i wont respond to you anymore and you can ignore me. I cant make you see how fucked up some of the things you say are, and you seem to feel the same about what I say. This isnt resolvable through discussion

Completely disagree here. It doesnt matter what Israel may have done. Even if they were fucking Nazis running death camps it does not mitigate what happened on Oct 7th in anyway. If they had attacked an appropriate target then there would be a case for what you say. But they did not. I am curious though, what do you consider a proportionate response?

Israel did not have a right to exist in 1948, but it does now that it does exist. In order for a nation to come into being, there needs to be a reason for it to come into existence that unites people. Im honestly not sure what criteria determines whether or not a state should be created, and it is honestly not something im going to be able to figure out in a reasonable time frame to answer the question on this forum. Maybe you dont mean to belittle it, but you just did by rounding the number down to 1000 from 1200 which last i heard was the rounded down estimate for the number of killed people by Hamas. There was no reason to do that. Unless you have a reliable source that has updated the count? If so i will withdraw my statement. As to the proportionate response, thats not something that can be determined by numbers alone. This isnt an eye for an eye. A line was crossed by Hamas and its no longer about getting even or whatever the correct term is. This is a war of annihilation against Hamas, Israel cannot coexist with them anymore. While i dont think it is possible for Israel to kill or capture 100% of the Hamas members, they need to get close to that or there will be no chance of peace in the future., except through real genocide. This war has to accomplish A.) The annihilation of Hamas, B.) It needs to show the resolve of Israel to deal with such threats no matter the cost or collateral damage, C) It needs to serve as a warning/deterrent to other parties of what will happen to them should they attempt to do what Hamas did. If i had to lodge a complaint about how Israel has handled this war, it would be in that they didnt allow the civilian population to leave Gaza as that is just giving Hamas more human shields to hide behind but then again, evacuating close to 2 million people presents its own challenges so maybe it wasnt a viable option? The Ukraine death toll among civilians that you quoted im pretty sure is for the first year. Unlike in Gaza, the battle zones are empty of civilians for the most part now and the only civilians being killed are in Russian terror attacks on civilian targets. Id swear when i last checked it was somewhere around 12k around november but i could be wrong on this. But this also shows that the civilian death toll drops significantly when civilians arent being used as human shields. When Hamas sets up a rocket position on a roof of a building with civilians in it, there isnt much of a choice on what to do, you either do nothing and hope none of the rockets get through the air defenses, or strike the building. Not much more i can say on this, its been repeated enough times so ill let it drop here. Im going to have to disagree here again. They have 2 different governments and are treated differently by Israel. If there is a group of people threatening another group of people they get treated differently. In order for that to change, the threatening behavior has to change. It isnt fair to the Palestinians who are innocent of such things, but because there is a large enough percentage among them, the whole group gets tainted. This is not fair or just, but it is reality. It is not ok to expect someone to ignore threats to themselves to satisfy an ideological belief. Again the keystone to this whole situation in Gaza is the Palestinians, they are the ones who need to change to start any improvements. Hamas is able to continue existing because of the people of Gaza, Israels policys certainly dont help the situation either though. At best Hamas is 2.5% of the population, half that if the 25k number of members is actually accurate. Not exactly a large enough percentage to maintain control of a population, its not even at the level of recommended police per population percentage. To me this says that there has to be enough passive support in the population to prevent revolt from occuring or that they are not unhappy enough with Hamas to remove them.