[Report] ANA rookie Leo Carlsson expected to remain with Ducks for the full season

[RWJC]

GM Pat Verbeek confirmed on a radio spot on SiriusXM today that the team envisions keeping 2023 second-overall pick Leo Carlsson on the roster for the entire season. Verbeek wouldn’t commit to Carlsson being an everyday player, however, it seems he’ll get that shot out of the gate – multiple websites project Carlsson will slide into Anaheim’s top-six to begin the season, given the finger injury to free-agent signing Alex Killorn.
 

The 18-year-old has had a strong camp and is coming off an incredibly strong draft year that saw him boost his stock into a top-four lock, recording 25 points in 44 games with SHL club Örebro HK and finishing off the season with five points in eight games for Sweden at the World Championship. He already has NHL size at 6-foot-3 and nearly 200 pounds.
 

https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2023/10/pacific-notes-de-leo-carlsson-flames-arena-smyl.html#ref=home

Edited October 6, 2023 by RWJC

[gwarrior]

Sink or swim. Let's see what you've got kid.

[Ghostsof1915]

Why is it not just ANA? ANH seems like a mixup of the old NHA....

[Alflives]

This kid is good. They will have him and McTavish as their two top centres. Zegras will be traded to a sucker. 

[AatuD2]

Is he healthy? He took a hit and left the game with an injury last time I checked. 

[Mrwipeout]

Well he was selected 2nd overall...dont think many times anyone wants to send him down unless absolutely necessary. Besides ducks are still tanking...if i were ducks id let the potentials get as much time on the ice as possible...

Edited October 11, 2023 by Mrwipeout

[AatuD2]

20 minutes ago, Mrwipeout said:

Well he was selected 2nd overall...dont think many times a time wants to send him down unless absolutely necessary. Besides ducks are still tanking...if i were ducks id let the potentials get as much time on the ice as possible...

 

That can also ruin his development as we saw with Virtanen. 

 

 

[AK-19]

16 hours ago, AatuD2 said:

 

That can also ruin his development as we saw with Virtanen. 

 

 

 

I don't think that was our fault. Virtanen was sent back to the WHL his first season and proceeded to play worse than when he got drafted. 

[Northern_Nuck]

16 hours ago, AatuD2 said:

 

That can also ruin his development as we saw with Virtanen. 

 

 

If you need to develop any of the top 5OA picks, you drafted them too high. 

[AatuD2]

41 minutes ago, Northern_Nuck said:

If you need to develop any of the top 5OA picks, you drafted them too high. 

 

Disagree 

 

Very easy for top players to try and get by on their superior talent and not bother learning how to play the proper way. 

 

Their high draft position gives them opportunity after opportunity but they don't become well rounded players. 

 

People that said this about Virtanen are all the analysts, Trent Cull, Travis Green, and Ryan Johnson. 

 

Besides, being in a losing environment is not that great either. 

 

Things could work out for Leo, but he could also sustain serious injuries playing against men too soon, as well as the development issues. 

[King Heffy]

2 hours ago, Northern_Nuck said:

If you need to develop any of the top 5OA picks, you drafted them too high. 

The Sedins were drafted too high?

[Coconuts]

 

 

[RWJC]

Ducks aren't using training wheels with top pick Leo Carlsson

 

 

The Anaheim Ducks had every reason to be cautious with their second-overall pick in his NHL debut, but they threw him into the fire.

 

It's safe to say 2023 second-overall pick Leo Carlsson hit the ground running in his NHL debut on Thursday.

While the Anaheim Ducks were unable to upset the Dallas Stars, Carlsson made his mark, scoring on a 2-on-1 rush to tie the game in the third period.

 

 

The fact the young Swede scored isn't that notable in and of itself — although he deserves credit for a nice shot on the play — but how the Ducks deployed him is.

Despite the fact Carlsson missed the end of the preseason and the first two regular-season games with a lower-body injury, Anaheim gave him 19 minutes of ice time on Thursday. Not only that, but he played alongside the team's two best offensive threats, Trevor Zegras and Troy Terry.
 

Link to rest of article:

https://ca.yahoo.com/sports/news/ducks-arent-using-training-wheels-with-top-pick-leo-carlsson-192825968.html

 

Nick Ashbourne

Fri, October 20, 2023 at 12:28 PM PDT

 

[RWJC]

Ducks' load management strategy with Leo Carlsson seems unlikely to benefit prized rookie

Nick Ashbourne 

Wed, October 25, 2023 at 12:06 PM PDT

 

The Ducks are treating their second-overall pick in an unusual manner, and it seems unlikely to benefit the 18-year-old.

 

The Anaheim Ducks are bringing load management to the NHL.

 

While some squads have been known to be careful with aging veterans and give them occasional games off to heal nagging injuries, NHL players who are good enough to crack their squads' starting lineups tend to lace up the skates whenever they're available.

 

It seems that won't be the case for 2023 second-overall pick Leo Carlsson, who the Ducks have a unique plan for.

 

 

Load management is an extremely difficult subject to debate in a reasonable way because it's impossible to know what would've happened if a player had been treated more conventionally. If Carlsson sits out games and stays healthy, it will be impossible to prove he avoided injury because he rested more.

 

On the other hand, if a player gets hurt experiencing more traditional usage, there's no certainty that he would've fared better with load management. There are a few instances of player usage that are so extreme that they seem irresponsible, but the waters are murky when it comes to the relationship between injuries and workload.

 

All of that said, Carlsson seems unlikely to benefit from his new arrangement with the Ducks.

 

Playing fewer games in his rookie season stands to affect three things for the youngster: his health, development, and earning potential.

The idea that sitting out games is a needed measure to weather the physical demands of the NHL is up for debate.

 

Carlsson is only 18, but he's also a solid 6-foot-3, 198 pounds. Playing with the Ducks, the games he participates in likely won't have highly competitive stakes, which means if he wants to play a more careful game at times, he has that option. He also almost certainly won't have to deal with the increased physicality of playoff hockey, and considering he had 10 total penalty minutes combined in his previous two years in Sweden, it's safe to say he doesn't like to mix it up.

 

None of that means the NHL won't be physically grueling for him, but there are some dangers the rookie can opt out of. He doesn't have to be Tom Wilson on the 2017-18 Washington Capitals out there.

 

Even if we accept the notion that sitting out games will help Carlsson stay healthy in the long term — despite the fact it's far from a proven premise — the young Swede stands to suffer developmentally from any NHL games he misses.

 

Carlsson is at an age where his game is growing rapidly and logging NHL time now is likely to benefit his skill development in a meaningful way. Many of the league's top stars cut their teeth at 18 and didn't dominate right away, but were able to build on that foundation.

 

Jack Hughes might be the most obvious current example. His rookie season at the age of 18 wasn't a statistical marvel by any means, but it helped pave his road to superstardom.
 

It's impossible to measure how much each game Carlsson sits will hurt his development, but every time he plays an NHL game at this point in his career, he's learning things that could be useful later.

A more tangible possible downside for Carlsson is how load management could affect his earning potential early in his career...

 

link to rest of article:

https://ca.yahoo.com/sports/news/ducks-load-management-strategy-with-leo-carlsson-seems-unlikely-to-benefit-prized-rookie-190630238.html

 

 

 

 

[Alflives]

Just now, RWJC said:

Ducks' load management strategy with Leo Carlsson seems unlikely to benefit prized rookie

Nick Ashbourne 

Wed, October 25, 2023 at 12:06 PM PDT

 

The Ducks are treating their second-overall pick in an unusual manner, and it seems unlikely to benefit the 18-year-old.

 

The Anaheim Ducks are bringing load management to the NHL.

 

While some squads have been known to be careful with aging veterans and give them occasional games off to heal nagging injuries, NHL players who are good enough to crack their squads' starting lineups tend to lace up the skates whenever they're available.

 

It seems that won't be the case for 2023 second-overall pick Leo Carlsson, who the Ducks have a unique plan for.

 

 

Load management is an extremely difficult subject to debate in a reasonable way because it's impossible to know what would've happened if a player had been treated more conventionally. If Carlsson sits out games and stays healthy, it will be impossible to prove he avoided injury because he rested more.

 

On the other hand, if a player gets hurt experiencing more traditional usage, there's no certainty that he would've fared better with load management. There are a few instances of player usage that are so extreme that they seem irresponsible, but the waters are murky when it comes to the relationship between injuries and workload.

 

All of that said, Carlsson seems unlikely to benefit from his new arrangement with the Ducks.

 

Playing fewer games in his rookie season stands to affect three things for the youngster: his health, development, and earning potential.

The idea that sitting out games is a needed measure to weather the physical demands of the NHL is up for debate.

 

Carlsson is only 18, but he's also a solid 6-foot-3, 198 pounds. Playing with the Ducks, the games he participates in likely won't have highly competitive stakes, which means if he wants to play a more careful game at times, he has that option. He also almost certainly won't have to deal with the increased physicality of playoff hockey, and considering he had 10 total penalty minutes combined in his previous two years in Sweden, it's safe to say he doesn't like to mix it up.

 

None of that means the NHL won't be physically grueling for him, but there are some dangers the rookie can opt out of. He doesn't have to be Tom Wilson on the 2017-18 Washington Capitals out there.

 

Even if we accept the notion that sitting out games will help Carlsson stay healthy in the long term — despite the fact it's far from a proven premise — the young Swede stands to suffer developmentally from any NHL games he misses.

 

Carlsson is at an age where his game is growing rapidly and logging NHL time now is likely to benefit his skill development in a meaningful way. Many of the league's top stars cut their teeth at 18 and didn't dominate right away, but were able to build on that foundation.

 

Jack Hughes might be the most obvious current example. His rookie season at the age of 18 wasn't a statistical marvel by any means, but it helped pave his road to superstardom.
 

It's impossible to measure how much each game Carlsson sits will hurt his development, but every time he plays an NHL game at this point in his career, he's learning things that could be useful later.

A more tangible possible downside for Carlsson is how load management could affect his earning potential early in his career...

 

link to rest of article:

https://ca.yahoo.com/sports/news/ducks-load-management-strategy-with-leo-carlsson-seems-unlikely-to-benefit-prized-rookie-190630238.html

 

 

 

 

Ducks are dumb, but tasty! 
Seriously though, any club that keeps Zegras is stupid. Carlson is a fabulous player. Dumperoo the cancer man Zegras. Can’t have that guy influencing the youngest guys. 

[Bob Long]

20 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Ducks are dumb, but tasty! 
Seriously though, any club that keeps Zegras is stupid. Carlson is a fabulous player. Dumperoo the cancer man Zegras. Can’t have that guy influencing the youngest guys. 

 

Yep Zegras is a tool. Maybe Schenn can punch him again.

[RWJC]

55 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Ducks are dumb, but tasty! 
Seriously though, any club that keeps Zegras is stupid. Carlson is a fabulous player. Dumperoo the cancer man Zegras. Can’t have that guy influencing the youngest guys. 

You’ll be quite pleased to know he was benched for a good portion of the end of their last game. Coach has had enough of his behaviour and failure to play any sort of defensive game to help out the team. 

Edited October 26, 2023 by RWJC

[RWJC]

Ducks Cronin Sends Strong Message With Zegras Benching

 

Austin Stanovich

7 hours ago

 

Tuesday night against the Columbus Blue Jackets, Anaheim Ducks star forward, Trevor Zegras played just 12:26 seconds in a game that required overtime.

 

It's the first time this season that Zegras has played fewer than 16 minutes in a game, and just the second time in the last year that he's played fewer than 13 minutes.

There's been no reported injury for Zegras, meaning he was simply benched by Cronin.

 

Looking at the numbers, Zegras wasn't having a bad game leading to the benching. 
 

The Ducks generally controlled possession with him on the ice and had their share of chances too. So, it's a little harder to pinpoint the exact reason behind this decision.

 

There were several plays in the second period, particularly on the power play, where Zegras lacked a bit of urgency and decisiveness, which may have led to the benching.

 

This feels like the kind of thing a new coach does to send an immediate message, to lay down the law with his new team.

 

"I don't care who you are, or how many points you put up, you're not immune to being glued to the bench."

 

I don't hate the decision from Cronin, he was clear in his first few interviews after being named coach of the Ducks that he would be hard on Zegras…

 

link to rest of article:

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/anaheim-ducks/news/anaheim-ducks-greg-cronin-sends-strong-message-with-trevor-zegras-benching

 

[Canuckle]

I hope Zegras demands a trade and it's to Vancouver.  Fuck I would be stoked.

 

So what if he's a bit of bitch baby right now. I mean let's be real here not many are happy to be playing for a loser club like Anaheim. JT Miller used to be like Zegras is now and look what happened to him.

 

And if anyone could get through to him, it's former USNTDP teammate and big brother captain Quinn Hughes, JT Miller, and especially Rick Tocchet.

 

https://www.sportskeeda.com/ice-hockey/news-trevor-zegras-spotted-hughes-family-game-four-hurricanes-devils

 

https://twitter.com/sportscenter/status/1584928550641082370?s=46&t=UGMysnUGMYe-jQSsaIzs4g

 

[DownUndaCanuck]

The correct pick IMO, he's already got 2 goals and 1 assist in 3 games on a dead team. Fantilli with 4 in 7 and Bedard's only got 4 in 7 too.

 

Cooley wins the Calder in the end for me though.

[Rekker]

9 hours ago, Canuckle said:

I hope Zegras demands a trade and it's to Vancouver.  Fuck I would be stoked.

 

Eww. Not a fan of the person, or the way he plays. One dimensional winger, ya he puts up some points but really, he'd fit in with the Leafs better. 

[Canuckle]

1 hour ago, Rekker said:

Eww. Not a fan of the person, or the way he plays. One dimensional winger, ya he puts up some points but really, he'd fit in with the Leafs better. 

Couldnt disagree more. The words "one dimensional" and Trevor Zegras don't belong in the same sentence. Anymore than referring to Kuzmenko being an 'offensive' one dimensional player. Put a guy like that in the right setting with the right guidance, regardless of the team, and they can thrive.  Zegras needs to grow up a bit first and foremost. Just like Millsy before him.

[Rekker]

29 minutes ago, Canuckle said:

Couldnt disagree more. The words "one dimensional" and Trevor Zegras don't belong in the same sentence. Anymore than referring to Kuzmenko being an 'offensive' one dimensional player. Put a guy like that in the right setting with the right guidance, regardless of the team, and they can thrive.  Zegras needs to grow up a bit first and foremost. Just like Millsy before him.

Why the benching this year then? Why not a long term contract then? Zegras still needs to learn to play properly and no one knows yet if he can handle playoff hockey. Looks like a Mitch Marner type to me. No thanks. After his comments to Stecher, I question his character as well. Zegras just isn't my type of player and comparisons to Kuzmenko are fair, but I see growth in Kuz, and a will to listen to his coaches. I see an Infectious posotive attitude with Kuz as well. Not the "me first" I see in Zegres. 

[Canuckle]

5 hours ago, Rekker said:

Why the benching this year then? Why not a long term contract then? Zegras still needs to learn to play properly and no one knows yet if he can handle playoff hockey. Looks like a Mitch Marner type to me. No thanks. After his comments to Stecher, I question his character as well. Zegras just isn't my type of player and comparisons to Kuzmenko are fair, but I see growth in Kuz, and a will to listen to his coaches. I see an Infectious posotive attitude with Kuz as well. Not the "me first" I see in Zegres. 

I repeat "Put a guy like that in the right setting with the right guidance, regardless of the team, and they can thrive.  Zegras needs to grow up a bit first and foremost. Just like Millsy before him."