Truth & Reconciliation

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Let's all take some time today to reflect and to take a pledge to stand in support of our indigenous family. 

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I stayed up last year on this date watching films on CBC. Two of them, that I'd suggest watching: Indian Horse and The Grizzlies. Not easy to watch but important just the same.

 

https://www.netflix.com/ca/title/81019033

 

[Sharpshooter]

Take time to remember all those kids lost to the world and their families, in Residential schools, and the ones yet to be found. 
 

 

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8 minutes ago, Sharpshooter said:

Take time to remember all those kids lost to the world and their families, in Residential schools, and the ones yet to be found. 
 

 

That video talks of 220 students....that's how many we have at our school and I can't imagine how this stuff just slid past without anyone intervening. 150,000 kids in all?

 

Kerosene? Really? White paint? What kind of freaks do this?

 

The part where he talked about waving at his sister....gah, just gets me in the throat.

 

It truly boggles my mind. Kids. 

 

We really missed out on learning a lot back then...although I'm super proud that my father, who was friends with indigenous people, lived like them. Off the land. Hunted ducks and geese. Fished. Smokes and pickles salmon and herring (to this day). Trapped mink. Grew his own food. Maybe it's why I feel so connected to these people and the land...I was brought up to respect them both.

[Ryan Strome]

21 minutes ago, -dlc- said:

That video talks of 220 students....that's how many we have at our school and I can't imagine how this stuff just slid past without anyone intervening. 150,000 kids in all?

 

Kerosene? Really? White paint? What kind of freaks do this?

 

The part where he talked about waving at his sister....gah, just gets me in the throat.

 

It truly boggles my mind. Kids. 

 

We really missed out on learning a lot back then...although I'm super proud that my father, who was friends with indigenous people, lived like them. Off the land. Hunted ducks and geese. Fished. Smokes and pickles salmon and herring (to this day). Trapped mink. Grew his own food. Maybe it's why I feel so connected to these people and the land...I was brought up to respect them both.

So you do respect me then? All these years I thought you never did lol.

 

Great thread Deb. What are you going to do today to  remember? There was a small event earlier at a park where I live. Live music but quite cold out today.

Edited September 30, 2023 by Ryan Strome

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7 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

So you do respect me then? All these years I thought you never did lol.

 

Great thread Deb. What are you going to do today to  remember? There was a small event earlier at a park where I live. Live music but quite cold out today.

Yep, I respect you.

 

I am going to do what I did last year....spend time in nature with my own kids and appreciate every element of it. Indigenous people are protectors of this earth and so I will remember not to take it for granted.

 

I will reflect on how those parents felt losing their own children. 

 

Listen to some indigenous artists (doing so right now). Be kind to others...it starts with me and you and we have to practice what we preach.

 

We had a really moving assembly yesterday put together by a friend of mine (which is where the video above was first brought to my attention). So I'll carry that with me today.

 

 

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[UnkNuk]

6 hours ago, -dlc- said:

Listen to some indigenous artists (doing so right now)

 

I came across First Nations artist Cris Derksen some time ago.  I enjoy her mashup of traditional First Nation chanting and classical music.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 30, 2023 by UnkNuk

[Ilunga]

Here in Aus we have a long way to go to catch up to you guys.

 

We are having a referendum in a couple of weeks, about and indigenous voice to Parliament.

Funny, well not really, using the word indigenous to describe the people who have been living here in Australia for over 60,000 years.

The oldest continuous culture on this planet. 

 

I note people have posted a couple of songs.

This one best illustrates the vicious cycle " our mob " how they described themselves, are caught in.

 

 

 

 

[Ryan Strome]

12 hours ago, Ilunga said:

Here in Aus we have a long way to go to catch up to you guys.

 

We are having a referendum in a couple of weeks, about and indigenous voice to Parliament.

Funny, well not really, using the word indigenous to describe the people who have been living here in Australia for over 60,000 years.

The oldest continuous culture on this planet. 

 

I note people have posted a couple of songs.

This one best illustrates the vicious cycle " our mob " how they described themselves, are caught in.

 

 

 

 

I actually have a friend in Australia though I haven't spoken with him much in probably the last 5 years, but I remember him telling me about 10 years ago that Australia can be quite a racist place towards indigenous people. Obviously that's only one person's view. But yeah I would be interested in hearing some of your viewpoints.

Edited October 1, 2023 by Ryan Strome

[moosehead]

I used to play school soccer against St Mary's. when i was a kid.    We would bus over and play at their school. 

No one ever explained what a residential school was to any of us kids.   We just saw it as a soccer game against any other school.   Our schools failed to educate us and teach us truth. 

 

I have tremendous respect for my first nations community.  Love the way they respect and care for the river / salmon and forests in my community. 

Edited October 1, 2023 by moosehead

[Ryan Strome]

Yep, it is King of Surrey. Nice talking to you again my friend.

[Ilunga]

7 hours ago, Ryan Strome said:

I actually have a friend in Australia though I haven't spoken with him much in probably the last 5 years, but I remember him telling me about 10 years ago that Australia can be quite a racist place towards indigenous people. Obviously that's only one person's view. But yeah I would be interested in hearing some of your viewpoints.

 

Yes, while we are improving, there is a strong undercurrent of racism in this country. 

Neo Nazis have been popping there heads up.

This is in may this year.

 

 

 

Earlier this year

 

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/mar/20/victoria-to-ban-nazi-salute-after-anti-trans-protest-melbourne-australia

 

 

The far right nutters are using the same old dog whistles for the upcoming referendum.

[the destroyer of worlds]

21 hours ago, Ilunga said:

Here in Aus we have a long way to go to catch up to you guys.

 

We are having a referendum in a couple of weeks, about and indigenous voice to Parliament.

Funny, well not really, using the word indigenous to describe the people who have been living here in Australia for over 60,000 years.

The oldest continuous culture on this planet. 

 

I note people have posted a couple of songs.

This one best illustrates the vicious cycle " our mob " how they described themselves, are caught in.

 

 

 

 

Liked the movie "Rabbit proof fence".  

 

The last school in BC closed in the early 80's. The last school in Canada closed in the 90s in Saskatchewan.  Victims of this system are very much still alive.

[Ilunga]

2 hours ago, the destroyer of worlds said:

Liked the movie "Rabbit proof fence".  

 

The last school in BC closed in the early 80's. The last school in Canada closed in the 90s in Saskatchewan.  Victims of this system are very much still alive.

 

If you liked Rabbit Proof fence I recommend Sweet Country.

Great cast, well written, and filmed up north. 

 

We have our stolen generations.

 

The original Australians 1910 - 1970

 

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/timeline-stolen-generations/m4y91u344

 

 

The stolen generation I belong to.

 

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/white-mothers-of-stolen-children-also-deserve-an-apology-20101207-18o7t.html

 

Up until 1982, 250,000 babies were forcibly taken from their mothers.

Some of the mothers were drugged, chained to their beds.

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[Ryan Strome]

I think it was super fitting just days after truth and reconciliation day that Manitoba elected an indigenous premiere.

[UnkNuk]

A very interesting article in the G&M (which, if I did this right, should be unlocked) about the history of Aboriginal land claims in BC and the implications for property holders in BC.

 

The question that jumps out at me is:  Just how much money are we talking about here????   

 

How can Canada reconcile Aboriginal title and the rights of people with property on that land?

 

The fragility of private land rights in British Columbia is not often discussed – but it should be.

 

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/gift/5647385edcff2020c0b78cafdec336f965b6fac6c5bf41ffeb1ac3eb5cc30ad2/MRIZOSP3GBFELPK23Y5AFHJ5FA/

 

 

[Boudrias]

The question of land title is based on a lack of political will to deal with this question. IMHO land title does not exist anymore for multiple reasons. Compensation yes. Unfortunately it is all about adding up the history of existing support to date versus a valuation based on historical values. Ultimately the courts are subservient to the people. 

[D.B Cooper]

My brother and I own a fabrication shop in BC. 
We pay the folks for T&R day, but have no native folks currently working there.  
 

I just  moved to Alberta and have been doing consulting for a couple fab shops out here.  
Id say close to 30-40% of employees are aboriginal, but neither observe the holiday.  
Kinda wild. 
 

The coast is a melting pot of cultures and for the most part, everyone seems to get along.  
Here near Edmonton, it seems to be mostly Natives and white folks, and the Native definitely seem to hate the shit out of the white people. 

You’d think with a much higher population of folks who the day means so much too, they would make it mandatory to observe the day. 

[Bob Long]

1 hour ago, Boudrias said:

The question of land title is based on a lack of political will to deal with this question. IMHO land title does not exist anymore for multiple reasons. Compensation yes. Unfortunately it is all about adding up the history of existing support to date versus a valuation based on historical values. Ultimately the courts are subservient to the people. 

 

The valuation of this is so high, it could really only be paid out in future profit on major projects. Canada can't write a cheque big enough to cover past actions.

 

Look at the recent court cases over a human rights ruling for 20+ billion in compensation,for just one narrow ruling.

 

It's easy for people to say "the government" should pay but what if the reality is there just isn't enough money to do that? Do we stop all private land ownership on unceded land? Give that land back? If this is done, is Canada still responsible for federal programs?

 

What also happens when hereditary leaders stop development, where does the money come from then?

 

The practical implications of this are too hard for our politicians to handle. The libs had to take that human rights ruling to court eg, because if they didn't, you'd have unelected panels all over Canada bankrupting the country overnight, but they took a political beating for that which they may not recover from. 

 

But at the same time, we have to come to a real effort on this, there are still so many people suffering in first Nations communities.

 

It's not going to be easy.

 

 

 

[Boudrias]

3 hours ago, Bob Long said:

 

The valuation of this is so high, it could really only be paid out in future profit on major projects. Canada can't write a cheque big enough to cover past actions.

 

Look at the recent court cases over a human rights ruling for 20+ billion in compensation,for just one narrow ruling.

 

It's easy for people to say "the government" should pay but what if the reality is there just isn't enough money to do that? Do we stop all private land ownership on unceded land? Give that land back? If this is done, is Canada still responsible for federal programs?

 

What also happens when hereditary leaders stop development, where does the money come from then?

 

The practical implications of this are too hard for our politicians to handle. The libs had to take that human rights ruling to court eg, because if they didn't, you'd have unelected panels all over Canada bankrupting the country overnight, but they took a political beating for that which they may not recover from. 

 

But at the same time, we have to come to a real effort on this, there are still so many people suffering in first Nations communities.

 

It's not going to be easy.

 

 

 

A very hard subject to deal with. Many people both white and native have profited from exploiting natives for decades. How do you do reconciliation without creating a citizen who has more rights than others? Native exploitation has to end somehow. It seems to me, as I think you are suggesting, that ownership in capital projects is encouraged. That does not mean a veto. 

[Bob Long]

2 hours ago, Boudrias said:

A very hard subject to deal with. Many people both white and native have profited from exploiting natives for decades. How do you do reconciliation without creating a citizen who has more rights than others? Native exploitation has to end somehow. It seems to me, as I think you are suggesting, that ownership in capital projects is encouraged. That does not mean a veto. 

 

I don't think it requires more rights, but that is where bringing in the UN stuff into our laws might create more problems that it solves. 

 

If I had a say in it, I'd want to see some kind of process where its agreed that compensation is needed, it comes from future development, and there's some kind of reasonable limit to it that makes sense for everyone. I don't know what the exact number would be (10% of all future federal resource projects until the compensation number is reached?) but I can see that making sense. 

 

We still also have a shared responsibility in education and health issues that are a direct result of how Canada was formed.