Lewlowned Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 (edited) https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/nhl-to-rule-on-senators-role-in-aborted-evgenii-dadonov-trade/ https://senschirp.ca/news/senators-await-dadonov-ruling/ I've seen it from a few sources but can't find anything on the forum, so I figured I'd start the thread. There is speculation that Ottawa will receive some sort of penalty or punishment for the Evegnii Dadonov situation from last year. Essentially, Dadonov was traded from Ottawa to Vegas, and then sometime later, VGK attempted to trade Dadonov to Anaheim. The trade was basically complete; Dadonov had a no-trade list, but VGK was told Dadonov did not submit it in time, so it was void. Turns out Dadonov HAD submitted it on time, and Anaheim was on his list... Fast forward one year to today, and it seems like Ottawa is on the verge of being hit with something from the league for the situation. We'll also hopefully get the full story around what happened. Edited November 1, 2023 by Lewlowned 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6of1_halfdozenofother Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Sure... blame it on the Canadian team for the league's darling/Gory Buttman's love child not to have done their own fucking due diligence... 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIWATT Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 9 minutes ago, Lewlowned said: https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/nhl-to-rule-on-senators-role-in-aborted-evgenii-dadonov-trade/ https://senschirp.ca/news/senators-await-dadonov-ruling/ I've seen it from a few sources but can't find anything on the forum, so I figured I'd start the thread. There is speculation that Ottawa will receive some sort of penalty or punishment for the Evegnii Dadonov situation from last year. Essentially, Dadonov was traded from Ottawa to Vegas, and then sometime later, VGK attempted to trade Dadonov to Anaheim. The trade was basically complete; Dadonov had a no-trade list, but VGK was told Dadonov did not submit it in time, so it was void. Turns out Dadonov HAD submitted it on time, and Anaheim was on his list... Fast forward one year to today, and it seems like Ottawa is on the verge of being hit with something from the league for the situation. We'll also hopefully get the full story around the situation. What does this have to do with Ottawa? It was Vegas who tried to move him to Anaheim. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strawbone Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 7 minutes ago, HIWATT said: What does this have to do with Ottawa? It was Vegas who tried to move him to Anaheim. It sounds like Ottawa did not disclose the fact that Dadanov had a no-trade list when they traded him to Vegas. If they did, and Vegas just didn't do their due diligence, then Ottawa should be off the hook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewlowned Posted October 31, 2023 Author Share Posted October 31, 2023 15 minutes ago, HIWATT said: What does this have to do with Ottawa? It was Vegas who tried to move him to Anaheim. Basically what Strawbone said. From what I've read, it seems like Ottawa told VGK the list was not submitted on time, so VGK thought he had no trade protection when they acquired him. Kinda seems like Ottawa is being punished for misleading VGK, which ultimately caused issues for Dadonov et al. Hopefully, we'll see all this clarified when the NHL makes their statement. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIWATT Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Strawbone said: It sounds like Ottawa did not disclose the fact that Dadanov had a no-trade list when they traded him to Vegas. If they did, and Vegas just didn't do their due diligence, then Ottawa should be off the hook. I'm not up to speed on all the minutia of NHL rules. You're trading for a player and not bothering to even inquire about his contract status and basic framework though? That's a bag of rocks level dumb. This smells like the same old grossly biased politics coming out of Bettmans hind end. Because he's cheating on Arizona (shhhh) and Vegas is his real darling. Edited October 31, 2023 by HIWATT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strawbone Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, HIWATT said: I'm not up to speed on all the minutia of NHL rules. You're trading for a player and not bothering to even inquire about his contract status and basic framework though? That's a bag of rocks level dumb. This smells like the same old grossly biased politics coming out of Bettmans hind end. Because he's cheating on Arizona (shhhh) and Vegas is his real darling. I don't know all the details of NHL trade rules either. I would think it's a requirement to provide ALL the contract details to the team you're trading to, so that they can review. In this case, the only reason it would make sense for Ottawa to be in trouble is if they did not provide the no-trade details, even though they were obligated to. I don't think the onus would be on Vegas to ask Ottawa if they forgot to include any contract details. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petey the Puck Whisperer Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 15 minutes ago, HIWATT said: I'm not up to speed on all the minutia of NHL rules. You're trading for a player and not bothering to even inquire about his contract status and basic framework though? That's a bag of rocks level dumb. This smells like the same old grossly biased politics coming out of Bettmans hind end. Because he's cheating on Arizona (shhhh) and Vegas is his real darling. What part of this are you not grasping bro? They did ask and were lied to... I hear hooked on phonics is on sale this month..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIWATT Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Petey the Puck Whisperer said: What part of this are you not grasping bro? They did ask and were lied to... I hear hooked on phonics is on sale this month..... The Golden Knights, who had acquired Dadonov from the Senators during the previous summer, were under the impression the Russian forward had not submitted his list in time to Ottawa of teams he did not want to be traded to WHEN did that "impression" occur? This is literally one of the first things any team would look at when acquiring a player. If the deal was in place and then made, and Ottawa was still waiting on Dadanov to make up his mind then that's certianly shady - but it's not lying. You can't lie about something you have no knowledge of. They didn't realize he had a valid no trade clause until way after he arrived in Vegas? There is something called due dilligence .. and it feels like neither of these teams did any of it lol .... WOW.... this hooked on phonics shit really works! Edited October 31, 2023 by HIWATT 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mackcanuck Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 (edited) OTT GM Pierre Dorion is so fired The New owner Michael Andlauer can't be happy with what is transpiring since he bought the team 6 weeks ago DeBrincat fiasco Gamblegate Dadanov deception Edited October 31, 2023 by Mackcanuck 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Fascinating. So team A trades player with a modified NTC. Team B acquiring him accepts that. Team B then tries to trade said player and fails because (?) so team A is punished because Team B didn't necessarily do their due dilligence even though any and ALL paperwork would be submitted to the league and team B upon acquiring player from team A. This seems suspect as hell and absolutely retroactive. The Knights would 100% have al of this paperwork and have full contact with Dadonov's agent at all times and full knowledge of this modified NTC. Punitive action against Ottawa seems entirely retroactive and just kind of reinforces the optics of rumours of the league treating other teams better than some. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petey the Puck Whisperer Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 6 hours ago, HIWATT said: The Golden Knights, who had acquired Dadonov from the Senators during the previous summer, were under the impression the Russian forward had not submitted his list in time to Ottawa of teams he did not want to be traded to WHEN did that "impression" occur? This is literally one of the first things any team would look at when acquiring a player. If the deal was in place and then made, and Ottawa was still waiting on Dadanov to make up his mind then that's certianly shady - but it's not lying. You can't lie about something you have no knowledge of. They didn't realize he had a valid no trade clause until way after he arrived in Vegas? There is something called due dilligence .. and it feels like neither of these teams did any of it lol .... WOW.... this hooked on phonics shit really works! Im not so sure you did it right. The GK asked hey does he have a no trade and were told "no he didnt submit it in time" BEFORE the trade occurred.. They definitely asked the right questions but when you receive lies as answers theres only so much you can go off when there is supposed to be a rapport of trust between GM's... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckinEdm Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 (edited) OMG so Ottawa lost a first rounder for failing to tell Vegas that a player had a NTC and Chicago got Bedard for covering up a rape of a prospect. Seems legit. Edited November 1, 2023 by CanuckinEdm 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 23 hours ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said: Sure... blame it on the Canadian team for the league's darling/Gory Buttman's love child not to have done their own fucking due diligence... When you tell a team a player doesn't have a ntc and he actually does, that is your fault. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 21 hours ago, Warhippy said: Fascinating. So team A trades player with a modified NTC. Team B acquiring him accepts that. Team B then tries to trade said player and fails because (?) so team A is punished because Team B didn't necessarily do their due dilligence even though any and ALL paperwork would be submitted to the league and team B upon acquiring player from team A. This seems suspect as hell and absolutely retroactive. The Knights would 100% have al of this paperwork and have full contact with Dadonov's agent at all times and full knowledge of this modified NTC. Punitive action against Ottawa seems entirely retroactive and just kind of reinforces the optics of rumours of the league treating other teams better than some. Ottawa told him he did not submit his list on time, he did. This is on Ottawa not Vegas. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6of1_halfdozenofother Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 3 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: When you tell a team a player doesn't have a ntc and he actually does, that is your fault. When you trade for a player and don't confirm the details in the fine print, that's your fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 Just now, 6of1_halfdozenofother said: When you trade for a player and don't confirm the details in the fine print, that's your fault. When you're told that he did not submit his list on time that is the other teams fault. This isn't that difficult to grasp. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6of1_halfdozenofother Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 Just now, canuck73_3 said: When you're told that he did not submit his list on time that is the other teams fault. This isn't that difficult to grasp. So you're willing to buy a car without checking if the engine has motor oil. Rawesome. Due diligence - it's really not that hard a concept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 7 minutes ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said: So you're willing to buy a car without checking if the engine has motor oil. Rawesome. Due diligence - it's really not that hard a concept. Apples to Oranges, They asked Ottawa gave them the wrong answer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewlowned Posted November 1, 2023 Author Share Posted November 1, 2023 (edited) Yeah Yikes, seems like a heavy punishment... https://media.nhl.com/public/news/17392 I was hoping for a bit more context on how they got to this. Ottawa must have been extremely explicit about the trade protection being voided, or how else can this fall so hard on them. As many here have pointed out. Edited November 1, 2023 by Lewlowned 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Master Mind Posted November 1, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 1, 2023 Absolutely disgraceful that Ottawa was punished more harshly than Chicago. 8 1 3 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rekker Posted November 1, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 1, 2023 What a ffnn joke this league is. Someone in media, please call them out on it. Chicago doesn't lose a first for hiding a sexual assault, whilst winning a cup, and Sens get this?! Sens media should be firing shots. 3 3 3 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6of1_halfdozenofother Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 11 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: Apples to Oranges, They asked Ottawa gave them the wrong answer. And Vegas was too incompetent to double-check for themselves? I don't buy that reasoning. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekker Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said: And Vegas was too incompetent to double-check for themselves? I don't buy that reasoning. What was for sale and sold by Ottawa was misrepresented. That's on them. They sold the player stating due diligence was done and it was a lie. Not cool. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mando27 Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 Clown League at it again, Chicago gets a slap on the wrist for hiding sexual assault while Ottawa is severely punished for nothing. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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