[Article] Drance: Tyler Myers’ tough night and why Canucks’ problems aren’t solely on him

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Drance: Tyler Myers’ tough night and why Canucks’ problems aren’t solely on him

 

Thomas Drance

 

TAMPA, Fla. — When you kill penalties against the Tampa Bay Lightning, you’re liable to look a bit silly on occasion.

 

The Lightning with the man advantage are precision incarnate. They boast one of the most ruthless distributors from the half-wall in the history of the sport opposite the single most accurate shooter of the last decade, with Victor Hedman up top and the NHL’s smartest bumper guy (now that Patrice Bergeron has retired) in Brayden Point.

 

Tampa’s least heralded “PP1” player is Nick Paul, who has three power-play goals in five games since inheriting the net-front spot on the unit from free agent departure Alex Killorn. It’s a testament to Tampa Bay’s power-play efficiency that Paul’s three goals with the man advantage have been scored from an average distance of 7.5 feet.

 

On Thursday night, the reeling Lightning — losers of three consecutive divisional games — carved up the Vancouver Canucks’ suddenly solid penalty kill, converting on two of their three opportunities in a one-goal victory. If the result was suboptimal, the truth is that Vancouver’s penalty kill was fine on form, good even. The club just had two key breakdowns at inopportune moments, the Lightning punished both of those mistakes, and on both of those key breakdowns, Canucks defender Tyler Myers was directly culpable.

 

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[Miss Korea]

The numbers suggest Tyler Myers was one of the most effective Canucks last night, and I definitely noticed that over the 60 minutes.

 

 

But you can make good plays 98% of the time.  But the last 2% your mistakes are so egregious it almost certainly leads to a goal.  Myers is directly responsible for multiple plays that immediately led to goals against.  Who else can you blame on a play like this?

 

[Jess]

6 minutes ago, Miss Korea said:

The numbers suggest Tyler Myers was one of the most effective Canucks last night, and I definitely noticed that over the 60 minutes.

 

 

But you can make good plays 98% of the time.  But the last 2% your mistakes are so egregious it almost certainly leads to a goal.  Myers is directly responsible for multiple plays that immediately led to goals against.  Who else can you blame on a play like this?

 

 

Reminds me of Edler at his low points. Was pretty good most of the time, but his brain dead decisions stuck out in the heads of many and they were bad when they happened.

[PhillipBlunt]

The sooner they can move on from him, the better. 

[Gawdzukes]

1 hour ago, Miss Korea said:

The numbers suggest Tyler Myers was one of the most effective Canucks last night, and I definitely noticed that over the 60 minutes.

 

 

But you can make good plays 98% of the time.  But the last 2% your mistakes are so egregious it almost certainly leads to a goal.  Myers is directly responsible for multiple plays that immediately led to goals against.  Who else can you blame on a play like this?

 

 

Just goes to show, the numbers and pretty charts are most often shit. That's why you have to watch the game to understand it.

 

Mistakes or more accurate the lack there of are the # 1 predictor of good defence.

[Steamer4GM]

More Cannon Giraffe and less Chaos Giraffe plz

[Rick_theRyper]

4 minutes ago, Steamer4GM said:

More Cannon Giraffe and less Chaos Giraffe plz

Hopefully he upgrades to "Ultimate Calamity Canon Giraffe" 

Then we're laughing.

[Jess]

13 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said:

 

Just goes to show, the numbers and pretty charts are most often shit. That's why you have to watch the game to understand it.

 

Mistakes or more accurate the lack there of are the # 1 predictor of good defence.

 

I'd say the flaw here is not numbers and charts, but using this specific chart without further context. This one shows a count of good or bad moments, but it says nothing as to the magnitude/impact of the moments. Factoring in that would give very different numbers. The major flaw in fancy stats is not in the stats themselves, but in users who rely on too few stats and miss the greater context of the stats.

[PhillipBlunt]

4 minutes ago, -AJ- said:

 

I'd say the flaw here is not numbers and charts, but using this specific chart without further context. This one shows a count of good or bad moments, but it says nothing as to the magnitude/impact of the moments. Factoring in that would give very different numbers. The major flaw in fancy stats is not in the stats themselves, but in users who rely on too few stats and miss the greater context of the stats.

Well put. That is the issue with looking at statistics without any real-world application. 

[WanyeJetski]

Anyone that watches hockey or Canucks games know Tyler is at best a 6th D man at this point. We could ice a better D with him not playing. 

few key things:
 

not overly physical

not keen on making the easy/high percentage first pass 

often overplays on the rush 

Is too tall…

[Miss Korea]

2 hours ago, Gawdzukes said:

 

Just goes to show, the numbers and pretty charts are most often shit. That's why you have to watch the game to understand it.

 

Mistakes or more accurate the lack there of are the # 1 predictor of good defence.

 

1 hour ago, -AJ- said:

 

I'd say the flaw here is not numbers and charts, but using this specific chart without further context. This one shows a count of good or bad moments, but it says nothing as to the magnitude/impact of the moments. Factoring in that would give very different numbers. The major flaw in fancy stats is not in the stats themselves, but in users who rely on too few stats and miss the greater context of the stats.

Indeed.  He had a decent game outside of the couple critical mistakes he made.  Now according to analytics, Myers having a good game is a rarity.  He averages out to really bad numbers.

 

He is truly the chaos giraffe.  Even on good days he finds ways to drive us insane.

[snowman955]

Is it possible for the to be placed LTIR for constant brain farts. How can a player be this bad(tackling his own player) and remain on a team roster?

[King Heffy]

4 hours ago, -AJ- said:

 

I'd say the flaw here is not numbers and charts, but using this specific chart without further context. This one shows a count of good or bad moments, but it says nothing as to the magnitude/impact of the moments. Factoring in that would give very different numbers. The major flaw in fancy stats is not in the stats themselves, but in users who rely on too few stats and miss the greater context of the stats.

Advanced stats are like a bikini.  They both show something, but cover up what's most important.

[The Colt 45s]

3 hours ago, Miss Korea said:

 

Indeed.  He had a decent game outside of the couple critical mistakes he made.  Now according to analytics, Myers having a good game is a rarity.  He averages out to really bad numbers.

 

He is truly the chaos giraffe.  Even on good days he finds ways to drive us insane.

I want to meet this analytics guy. Seems like he or she has a lot to say.

[TheGuardian]

6 hours ago, Miss Korea said:

The numbers suggest Tyler Myers was one of the most effective Canucks last night, and I definitely noticed that over the 60 minutes.

 

 

But you can make good plays 98% of the time.  But the last 2% your mistakes are so egregious it almost certainly leads to a goal.  Myers is directly responsible for multiple plays that immediately led to goals against.  Who else can you blame on a play like this?

 

Why does he have the puck there?

5 hours ago, -AJ- said:

 

I'd say the flaw here is not numbers and charts, but using this specific chart without further context. This one shows a count of good or bad moments, but it says nothing as to the magnitude/impact of the moments. Factoring in that would give very different numbers. The major flaw in fancy stats is not in the stats themselves, but in users who rely on too few stats and miss the greater context of the stats.

Missed his goal too, what a shot!

[TheGuardian]

22 minutes ago, The Colt 45s said:

I want to meet this analytics guy. Seems like he or she has a lot to say.

Any coach would be looking at not just the outcome but the build up leading to the mistake. Rarely is any mistake the fault of just one person.

 

All the way back to the coaching decision to play that player in that situation.

 

Myer's kryptonite is the PK, has been for a few years now so he should be weaned off PK time not fed more and more. What if he doesn't play PK anymore and plays just 5 on 5? No goals against 5 on 5 and positive contributor to more offence when he is on the ice.

 

Like Schmidt and OEL both were products of the teams they played on, Schmidt played on powerhouse Washington and then Vegas so looked better than he was, OEL was the PP qback and not a PK guy or defensive specialist in Arizona until Tocchet got there but in Vancouver the PP spot was gifted to Hughes, during Hughes injury OEL replaced and out scored him game to game in that spot.

Now imagine how good Myers is going to look on a good team where he can just be another defenceman not the lynch pin leaned on for all defensive responsibilities and top match ups, where he may be able to get some chemistry playing with a partner longer than 3 games.

His 5 on 5 play combined with his size just might be enough to help a playoff team beyond all proportion.

 

And  for the Canucks he is replaced by ??????

Edited October 20, 2023 by TheGuardian

[Barn Burner]

6 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said:

The sooner they can move on from him, the better. 

What about Myers and Stawns for Benson? 

[Miss Korea]

15 hours ago, -AJ- said:

 

I'd say the flaw here is not numbers and charts, but using this specific chart without further context. This one shows a count of good or bad moments, but it says nothing as to the magnitude/impact of the moments. Factoring in that would give very different numbers. The major flaw in fancy stats is not in the stats themselves, but in users who rely on too few stats and miss the greater context of the stats.

 

By the way, in the grand scheme of things, analytics have consistently shown Myers to be...

 

 

A bad penalty killer.  But also one who doesn't kill many PKs because he can't keep himself out of the box.