tas Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Just now, stawns said: We have no idea what JG is going to be on a different team without two of the best players ever. No way I'd take that over EL I'd rather have the guy with the playoff pedigree from a winning organization than the guy with the stink of recent failure on him from a team that's spent the last 2 years in crisis mode. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester13 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 8 minutes ago, stawns said: We have no idea what JG is going to be on a different team without two of the best players ever. No way I'd take that over EL It's not like EL has been terribly great with us so far. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Duke Posted March 6 Popular Post Share Posted March 6 The perception around Lindholm is almost certainly being impacted by the team also going on a little skid during this time. Other than Miller (and Hughes picking it up lately) the whole team has been a bit off in the offensive zone, or at least that’s what it appears to me. I’d still be more than happy to keep him and see what he looks like when the team is clicking again. He sure looks good defensively, to me. Hope Allvin goes after a middle 6 winger to spice things up and then signs Kessel. Get Mikheyev and Suter out of the top 6. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 7 minutes ago, tas said: I'd rather have the guy with the playoff pedigree from a winning organization than the guy with the stink of recent failure on him from a team that's spent the last 2 years in crisis mode. And more power to you. If rather not pay a premium for a couple months of a gut who has spent his career riding the coattails of one of the goats. Remember BJ McDonald? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tower102 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 3 minutes ago, The Duke said: The perception around Lindholm is almost certainly being impacted by the team also going on a little skid during this time. Other than Miller (and Hughes picking it up lately) the whole team has been a bit off in the offensive zone, or at least that’s what it appears to me. I’d still be more than happy to keep him and see what he looks like when the team is clicking again. He sure looks good defensively, to me. Hope Allvin goes after a middle 6 winger to spice things up and then signs Kessel. Get Mikheyev and Suter out of the top 6. Exactly. For me we just need Joshua back now that Soucy is healthy (we are way better with him). With Joshua back then we can slot Lindholm back into the top 6 however you want to configure it. If we can trade Mikheyev and a prospect for a top 6 guy then we can drop Suter to 4th line and are solid. Lindholm brings the little things and has been unfairly judged this far. Any offense he brings is bonus, he is here for shutdown, pk and faceoffs which he has been doing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zimmyparttwo Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 33 minutes ago, tas said: recovery time is 2-3 months regardless of severity. Luckily, the playoffs will start exactly 3 months after the date of the injury! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 5 minutes ago, stawns said: And more power to you. If rather not pay a premium for a couple months of a gut who has spent his career riding the coattails of one of the goats. Remember BJ McDonald? it could be argued, and in fact supported by evidence, that lindholm rode tkachuk and gaudreau to his success. that said, in theory I'm fine either way, but I feel like there's more benefit to guentzel and a greater likelihood of retaining him long-term. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyG Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 12 minutes ago, The Duke said: Hope Allvin goes after a middle 6 winger to spice things up and then signs Kessel. Get Mikheyev off the team FTFY 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Lou Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 I hate when ppl say EL is good at the little things... reminds me of another Swede... I want guys that can put up points in the top 6. We have enough centre depth to cover the 3C slot. Ship him out if we can upgrade. Plain and simple. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Just now, tas said: it could be argued, and in fact supported by evidence, that lindholm rode tkachuk and gaudreau to his success. that said, in theory I'm fine either way, but I feel like there's more benefit to guentzel and a greater likelihood of retaining him long-term. We're talking about Crosby, one of the all time greats, not MT or JG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Just now, stawns said: We're talking about Crosby, one of the all time greats, not MT or JG and yet the proof is in the pudding thus far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Lou Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 2 minutes ago, stawns said: We're talking about Crosby, one of the all time greats, not MT or JG 16G 24A +9 in 38 career games without Sid says otherwise. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 1 minute ago, Bobby Lou said: 16G 24A +9 in 38 career games without Sid says otherwise. Lol, 38 games, not even half a season. Further to that giving up a C for a W seems illogical heading into the post season where faceoffs are so important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Lou Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Just now, stawns said: Lol, 38 games, not even half a season. Further to that giving up a C for a W seems illogical heading into the post season where faceoffs are so important. Faceoffs are great to win and all but it's a mute point if we don't have secondary scoring aside from relying on the 3rd line... Lindholm if clicking with EP40 would be great to have but he's not. We need to have a 1st and 2nd line that can provide offense. Not just the lotto line. Guentzel could play with EP40 or Miller Boeser could play with either. It gives more options. All a team needs to do is shut down our top line at this point more or less come playoffs if we roll with Lindholm and current squad... just my 2 cents. I do agree tho the faceoffs are nice to not worry about with him I just don't see it out weighing the other issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tower102 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 6 minutes ago, Bobby Lou said: I hate when ppl say EL is good at the little things... reminds me of another Swede... I want guys that can put up points in the top 6. We have enough centre depth to cover the 3C slot. Ship him out if we can upgrade. Plain and simple. I want someone that can match up with other teams best lines in the playoffs to keep them from killing us while boasting offense potential and wins faceoffs to get guys like Petey the puck on their stick more often. Our team hasn't been losing because of a lack of scoring, we have been sliding down the rankings in goals against per game, that is the weaker spot. Being a C it gives us better playoff match ups as we can go 2 strong lines plus the garland line or run all 4 depending on how the other team wants to defend. Having lineup options, and multiple skills you are good at to help a team are what wins in the playoffs. If you only score from the wing, then if you struggle at that you are not helping the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duke Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 7 minutes ago, AnthonyG said: FTFY Yeah. I feel for him as that surgery was always going to slow him down this year. I wonder if a couple games off would help him - not that hockey culture ever seems to allow load management stuff like that. And the allstar break didn’t seem to help either. I wonder what the cost of moving him out AND bringing someone in would be. Probably fairly prohibitive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Lou Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Tower102 said: I want someone that can match up with other teams best lines in the playoffs to keep them from killing us while boasting offense potential and wins faceoffs to get guys like Petey the puck on their stick more often. Our team hasn't been losing because of a lack of scoring, we have been sliding down the rankings in goals against per game, that is the weaker spot. Being a C it gives us better playoff match ups as we can go 2 strong lines plus the garland line or run all 4 depending on how the other team wants to defend. Having lineup options, and multiple skills you are good at to help a team are what wins in the playoffs. If you only score from the wing, then if you struggle at that you are not helping the team. I get that but offense dies on his stick. He's a 3C at this point let's not kid ourselves. We need 2 capable top lines and not being forced to rely on Joshua and Garland as a secondary source. Having the luxury of a 3rd line that chips in like ours does is fantastic... it will win games but the 2nd line is practically non existent. Another top 6F who can put the puck in the net is what this team needs. Edited March 6 by Bobby Lou 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.AM.THE.WALRUS Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 (edited) 27 minutes ago, stawns said: And more power to you. If rather not pay a premium for a couple months of a gut who has spent his career riding the coattails of one of the goats. Remember BJ McDonald? BJ - yup - back in the day Gretzky could make your grandma a 50 goal scorer he did nothing when he arrived in Van… But in all seriousness it was his name… tho… dude got so ridiculed… lost his confidence… reduced to a shell of his former self… “Hey BJ - they would taunt… you suck!!!” was the usual… over and over - it broke him… Edited March 6 by I.AM.THE.WALRUS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 1 hour ago, stawns said: No way, not for me. Raty is ip there with willander and lek No way.. Raty is gone if we can get upgrade on winger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.AM.THE.WALRUS Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 In all seriousness tho- do you guys think we’re going to pick up anybody? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.AM.THE.WALRUS Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 The fact they want to move Lindy already is kind of disconcerting… makes you wonder what’s up.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duke Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 5 minutes ago, Tower102 said: I want someone that can match up with other teams best lines in the playoffs to keep them from killing us while boasting offense potential and wins faceoffs to get guys like Petey the puck on their stick more often. Our team hasn't been losing because of a lack of scoring, we have been sliding down the rankings in goals against per game, that is the weaker spot. Being a C it gives us better playoff match ups as we can go 2 strong lines plus the garland line or run all 4 depending on how the other team wants to defend. Having lineup options, and multiple skills you are good at to help a team are what wins in the playoffs. If you only score from the wing, then if you struggle at that you are not helping the team. I agree with you, overall, about Lindholm but we’ve averaged about 2.6 or so goals per game since February and our season average is still around 3.5 or whatever. So about one goal less per game this rough patch. I guess people might blame him for it, but it just seems like the whole team is a little off - and that’s certainly not helping his numbers. He wasn’t brought in to be an elite producer - but rather a solid two way piece, right handed C, who can chip in and play with top 6 talent. But the top 6 talent hasn’t been great lately. I thought he actually looked pretty good with Garland - so maybe Joshua-Lindholm-Garland is a possibility. OR Hoglander-Petey-Lindholm now that Petey has his deal done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 10 minutes ago, Bobby Lou said: Faceoffs are great to win and all but it's a mute point if we don't have secondary scoring aside from relying on the 3rd line... Lindholm if clicking with EP40 would be great to have but he's not. We need to have a 1st and 2nd line that can provide offense. Not just the lotto line. Guentzel could play with EP40 or Miller Boeser could play with either. It gives more options. All a team needs to do is shut down our top line at this point more or less come playoffs if we roll with Lindholm and current squad... just my 2 cents. I do agree tho the faceoffs are nice to not worry about with him I just don't see it out weighing the other issues. I mean, Lindholm also can play with Miller and Boeser. I been hoping to see more of that line since Lindholm got here. But think they desperately want to get Petey a winger. And so far Lindholm hasn't been a fit with him. Lindholm's problem isn't that he doesn't "fit." It's that he doesn't fit with Petey. We'd have the best two way line in hockey if they slapped Lindholm between Miller and Boeser. That line would be pretty close to automatic in the draw too. Left handed Miller who is already good in general and a right handed Lindholm. Also good in general. I really wish we could move Mikheyev and try trade for Guentzel without losing Lindholm. Cause our top 6 would be one of if not the best in the West with Miller, Boeser, Petey, Guentzel and Lindholm. Hogs fits right in there as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duke Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 1 minute ago, I.AM.THE.WALRUS said: The fact they want to move Lindy already is kind of disconcerting… makes you wonder what’s up.. FWIW Dreger said it’s more Dubas trying to kick up a market for Guentzel than Canucks being aggressive in pursuing him. Dhaliwal insinuated that JR told his staff to get creative to see what they could do to land Guentzel, and flipping Lindholm to Boston (who were in on him before) was one of the only ways they could potentially find the assets to make it work. I read this as JR is pursuing all options - but not necessarily going to make it happen. With the cap, lack of picks / prospects and Pittsburg’s needs it’s not a matter of just talking price with Dubas. We’d need to find some stuff to pay with before we sat down. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Lou Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 (edited) 6 minutes ago, JeremyCuddles said: I mean, Lindholm also can play with Miller and Boeser. I been hoping to see more of that line since Lindholm got here. But think they desperately want to get Petey a winger. And so far Lindholm hasn't been a fit with him. Lindholm's problem isn't that he doesn't "fit." It's that he doesn't fit with Petey. We'd have the best two way line in hockey if they slapped Lindholm between Miller and Boeser. That line would be pretty close to automatic in the draw too. Left handed Miller who is already good in general and a right handed Lindholm. Also good in general. I really wish we could move Mikheyev and try trade for Guentzel without losing Lindholm. Cause our top 6 would be one of if not the best in the West with Miller, Boeser, Petey, Guentzel and Lindholm. Hogs fits right in there as well. This is a great take ^^^ I agree they've been searching for a player to ride shotgun with Peterson for sometime now I don't see a world where we keep Lindholm and land Guentzel tho. I could be wrong and I'd be happy to be. I like Lindholm but I think he needs to play with high end players to produce offense Edited March 6 by Bobby Lou 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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