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Surovokin flies economy class; noooope! Hard to read anything in to these moves rather than hope it makes a difference.. Shoigu has long been tagged as both corrupt & inept. I'd be happier if these guys started killing each other.

Lots of discussion about Intelligence conflicts related.

Rebuttal is not a solution. While Hamas is alive, Sinwar is in charge; the solution to the crisis is not more layers of blame on Israel. Its not that this should be dismissed. Israel has its accountability. The courts have a chance of restricting Israel. Also international pressure. Their democracy hopefully has the will to change who is in power; a negative impact. Israel is not the only problem. Bad as their behaviour is, there are controls. There is no control over lawless militant groups like Hamas. In which case this crisis will still go on another 80 years. Just as it has been in Yemen, Afghanistan, Iraq, Sudan, Syria. Whether Bibi is in power or not. You are still ducking the question. There are no solutions without what Palestinians bring to the table to offer peace. What do you got to offer?

This is what Russia produces for internal consumption in Russia. Imagine if that was acceptable script for a TV show in Saskatoon? https://youtu.be/1e5wnt0Ja8Y

Don't duck it; how could they stymie Hamas if Oct 7 was a legitimate threat?

Hamas has 'accepted' a Qatari / Egyptian ceasefire proposal. Not an Israeli one. Not sure how much good that is?

How do you react to these nutjobs? This is an important unanswered issue. What would you do / advise Israel to do...

Here is what is being reported, in my adopted 2knd West Coast home town, as to what can happen with social media. Tragic, a 16 year old, I believe i read, radicalized online before he turned 14. Killed by police in an incident now, two years after he set off a bomb in his high school. Just 3 or 4 km from where we used to live. A respected school people bought homes in to bring their kids too.

For better or worse; this suggests the Rafah crossing in to Egypt is now closed. Youtube link that would not imbed..., Israel attacked and closed the crossing from the Gaza, not Egyptian side. https://youtu.be/zh68orhC5lQ

Lets just say they are / were going to try to shoot them down regardless. But a good headline is a good headline if your name is Vlad. Of course they have not declared war yet on Ukraine? So I guess they just feel they can do anything they want...

Thanks da! Missing Justus Annunen. To my eye we look better on D; them up front. A pretty dead heat when analyzing... G's pretty close but Annunen could tip this thing my way? He would have got game two in the first round had he been available imo.

No, not what I am looking for anyway. Although it is both rampant. More powerfully, guilt tripping large sections of social media movements to support one side. Many with good intentions, ignorant to larger issues. That said, there is less than 1 Jew for every 100 Muslims in the world. Popular opinion supporting Palestine will also have social, religious & an ethnic component. I don't like hard line, profit driven ultra conservative Western govt's profiting in 2knd and 3rd world countries by dominating militarily, politically. This would include Netanyahu, George Bush's, Trump although his foreign policy is whacked. I have a bigger problem, one harder to solve, with feudal like warlords, in this case Islamic militants ruling so many Middle Eastern & African nations. Its not leftist sh!t. I really don't like militants who overthrow courts, democratically elected govt.'s, police to rule territories, whole countries by fear and intimidation. They say its for their tribal / ethnic benefit. 'For the Palestinian,' or Syrian (example) benefit. I don't buy that. These militants, like cartels in Mexico or Venezuela, take payola at every level of the street. Have the police & judicial system both on payola? Plus threat of death instructions to do as told. Which becomes complicated to remove without external peacekeeping. Peacekeeping, not George Bush or Bibi invading. Their supporters companies profiting. I believe those that want peace for Palestine should want militants removed. I believe if you wish for peace for Israel, call to throw out Netanyahu. Each should be policing their own people from abusing their neighbors. When both sides are doing it; the solution is each to start and protecting their neighbor. Blame of one side, when there is plenty of blame on each, solves little.

Georgia's President goes against the govt., introducing pro Russian, anti freedom of press legislation. She says she will veto laws that stifle media as has been introduced in Russia. She says protesters and public as a whole are in favor of Georgia as a Caucasus EU member.

It is simple in the West Bank. Seizure, even purchasing of land, perhaps at low value, after harassment of land owners is an absolute & ongoing concern. There is plenty of illegal Israeli activity.

I imagine you are not Kurdish? Gassing 60,000 Kurds in a day is amongst the worst atrocities since world war II. 5,000,000 Kurds kicked off their land in Turkey is more significant than what happened in much less diverse circumstances in Palestine in 1948. It just happened under less scrutiny, for whatever reasons. And its still happening. Ethnic cleansing by Islamic majority & minority (militarily ruled) states, seems almost commonplace. It does not seem to shirk a Muslim asking another culture, say Jews, to leave when they want land. What happens in these states is open persecution. Hamas, for example, demands absolute control & population compliance. So does Iran, the Houthi's, ISIS, ISIL, al Qaeda. Idealism is not very even keeled in the world right now.

This is not true. In principal yes, but not in practice. Practice specifically by the groups posturing to return. Israel was created as a nation by the work of the UN. The issues are complex. However, my OPINION, nothing more, is Palestinians also ended up being represented by, here is that word again, complex groups. The UN and Britain also helped establish Jordan, Syria, Iraq, add France, include Lebanon. These particular groups did not negotiate control over the area's that became Israel. What I read is the US President at the time favored a one state nation, with Arab & Jewish provinces. This was rejected by Palestinians and Israeli's. The UN & England favored a 2 state solution; accepted before and after announcements regarding statehood by the Jewish, offering more than 50% of what is now Israel to 'this' group of Palestinians. Which was rejected, and Palestinians joined with other Arab groups and attacked Israel. Its my opinion other Arab groups got what they wanted; perhaps sweetheart deals to rule Jordan & Iraq as Kingdoms? Syria was created, the Saudi Kingdom. These Palestinians got screwed. It did not help that they allied with these groups, who misrepresented them, tried to forcibly remove the Jews. Should they want to return; acknowledging the existence of a Jewish state would be a good start. Stop firing missiles from rooftops, blowing up tourist busses & taking hostages. Ask for a place at the table; one state or two. Blame won't get you peace if you are Palestinian Harbulary. Or just a supporter. Concessions, and working together. Quit asking for everything!

I have seen Roman post that 'most' Israeli citizens do not want to be occupying Gaza.

So I have stood up for the right to protest. Many are miseducated about what they are protesting for? I think what is happening at ASU is wrong. But it is a private business; legally I am both disappointed, not surprised. Link won't embed, but Arizona State Uni students who protested both were arrested, and suspended by the school. Arrested has one implication. Suspended means some lose a year of school, some simply won't graduate. Tough lesson I would prefer did not happen. https://youtu.be/fVUCTANFzZk

That was my point, but yes thanks!

Expand please; these are fun!

5 Million Kurds have been displaced since the century mark year of 2000 by Turkey. This quantity has occurred at least three times since the end of WWI. Almost half that by Iran. Where women get beaten by stones if they do not wear a Hijab, or protest not being able to work, go to school. 60,000 primarily Kurds were gassed by Saddam Hussein March 16, 1988. 60,000 dead in one day during the Halabja massacre. I called for George Bush's arrest at a protest in Vancouver, one I believe should have occurred. He was not the worst criminal in the ME at that time frame. Just Western, so draws more condemnation? Obviously sill a massive tragedy, but more Muslim citizens were killed in one day, than nearly 8 months of all out war. Palestinians are not the most persecuted, Muslim, community. The plight of Kurdish communities, as I point out, is much larger, but also not the most tragic source of displacement or death in recent times either. The Syrian civil war saw over 350,000 civilian deaths in an 8 month stretch 8/9 years ago. Ten times what has occurred in Gaza. Hamas & Hezbollah, among others were combatants, or mercenaries for hire, profiting from weapons sales & territorial conquests here. Yemeni & Sudanese civil wars dwarf casualty and displacement of Muslim civilian populations that occurred in Syria. Do Muslim populations get a free pass for their participation in such events @HarbularyBattery? Is this a witch hunt because it's Jews & 'Americans,' quote / unquote popular opinion to blame? In my view Israel could, and should have reacted differently. Are opportunistic in stealing land; justifying it to (themselves) their people with the fact there is armed opposition. Make no mistake though, Hamas would have killed 350,000 Jews if they had a chance. Israel had to react. My view is those that want peace for Palestinians should include asking for Sinwars arrest, and release of hostages. Accountability, and moving away from militant terrorism would be what I advise. In part for practical reasons; why invite war with someone ten times more powerful than yourself? Israel has stolen land? They have also given land back; see Gaza & Sinai. Its my belief they will negotiate to leave Gaza again at some point soon.

Israel was attacked on all sides in 1948. @Ilunga catalogued a host of terrorist activities by Israel's founding fathers. Others have posted Islamic pogroms on Jews. I am not sure I called the displacement of Arab (Palestinian) civilians as blood thirsty. I did call it posturing. Most displaced, I read, were asked to leave by Arab sources. That they could come back in a few days when all things political were settled. This was negotiating by Arab groups who postured for this land. Then when it was not resolved in their favor; they attacked Jews, not Arabs. My belief is they thought it would be a slaughter. They would own the territory; you pick which Arab group? The settlers could return under their rule. It just did not work out that way. My point is when they could have accepted a territorial settlement. Had a homeland for Palestinian Arabs? It was rejected and the Arab groups attacked. They lost that war & 80 years later are asking for territory back?

Nice work! @Ilunga loves a good bitta smash in your face music...