This whole season seems to beg the Question, What has Tocchet done for this team? Second, did Tocchet make his biggest mistake so far?

[Tocchet.A.Hockey.God]

There is no denying the Canucks start has been, insert word here _________ (Awesome, Fabulous, Amazing Stunning etc....).  

But and yes here comes the BUT. But we knew they could score and in bunches to. We knew their PP was 1 of the best in the league.  We Knew Hughes, Pettersson, Miller, Demko and Boeser to a lesser extent was this good.

 

Tocchet wasn't brought in to make the Canucks a better scoring team. I would even say that Hughes, Pettersson, Miller, Demko and Boeser playing the best they have ever played is not because of Tocchet but more to do with the natural development of Hughes and Pettersson. These two players are now coming into there own making the players around them better not to mention making each other better. 

 

The complaint around this team in the past years was our d-men weren't good enough and the supporting cast wasn't good enough. So JR and PA changed it all and when I say all I mean all of that personnel. 

Mikheyev, Kuzmenko, Lafferty, Beauvillier, Suter, Blueger, Hronek, Soucy, Cole, Friedman and Desmith. Yes that is right 11 regulars switched by JR and PA. Of the players they kept no one can truly say that any of them don't belong. Ok I will give you Myers ( but i would argue @4.5 mill no one would be complaining especially with the amount of minutes he does eat up). The only issue one might have with the players they have brought in are Friedman as a #6 d-man and Beauviller's 4.15 million contract. On top of all this they also bought out OEL.

 

S0 I truly think it begs the Question what has Tocchet done for this team?

 

I know what he was suppose to have beeen brought in for. To create a structure and by doing so fix their defensive game.

 

From day one of the season the PK has been bad. I knew I was going to write this post at some point in the season so in the very 1st PGT thread and my very first post on this knew forum I mentioned as a joke and knowing i would refer back to it at some point I said the the Canucks went 1-4 on the PK or .750%. Some said it was a small sample size and I agree it was but my analysis of this team told me that there would still be defensive issues. The Pk would have issues and 5 on 5 would still have serious breakdowns and all of this could have been concluded even before the first drop of the puck. Why because Rick Tocchet isn't a genius. Tocchet isn't even a good coach. He played for some good teams with great players Philly. Some great teams with Great Players Pits but he himself wasn't a great player. At best he himself would be a bottom 6 player on this team today.

 

Tocchet, has missed playoffs 5 out of 6 seasons as a Head coach and has had 2 winning records out of 6.  39-35-8 and 33-29-8 seriously nothing to write home about.  The one season his team made the playoffs yes you guessed it, lost in the first round. 

 

Tocchet, Has been given the best team any Caunck's coach has been given in the last 8 plus years and the pk and defensive zone coverage still breaks down. He seems to say the right things, We need to learn to play tired, and after the SJS game said something like games like this don't happen to playoff teams. But yes that But again. But what is he doing to not make it happen? The truth is his play book isn't that of a great coach because he isn't a great coach. He has no response for the team because he himself doesn't know what the response should be. 

 

What Was Tocchet Biggest Mistake?

 

 Kux should have been back in the line up against SJS  It was a back to back situations and he was the most rested player they had. Amen should have been out Kuz in. Amen isn't a season regular Kuz is a top line winger. If Tocchet believed the message hadn't been fully received he  could have benched him and scratched him for the next game. Instead he wasn't even given a chance. Not to mention prior to the game being played most would have considered it a team the Canucks should have beat and a team Kuz could have score against and built confidences from.

 

Tocchet's biggest mistake was his inability to use the personnel properly and it showed his inexperience and that brings us to the fundamental issue with this team. They keep hiring coaches with little to no experience of winning. WD, TG now RT

 

 

 

 

Edited November 27, 2023 by CanuckFanForever

[Tocchet.A.Hockey.God]

Disclaimer, You might destroy me now but this post will hold the test of time.

[JeremyCuddles]

His biggest mistake was scratching Kuzy for one too many games? Wow, he's doing better than I thought. Do you know what I think? Say he did what you said, and we still lose that last game. Now we have some other rando that thinks he knows better saying "You know what Tocchet's biggest mistake was? Putting Kuzmenko back in after a big win where the team played a great two way game. Scratching Aman who just had a 2 assist night, what a blunder." Kuzmenko has been ass all season. Sitting him for two games is not an issue and it was not the reason we lost that game.

[Hammertime]

Maybe the Kuzzi world tour wasn't the best way to prepare for a hockey season?

[Tocchet.A.Hockey.God]

7 minutes ago, JeremyCuddles said:

His biggest mistake was scratching Kuzy for one too many games? Wow, he's doing better than I thought. Do you know what I think? Say he did what you said, and we still lose that last game. Now we have some other rando that thinks he knows better saying "You know what Tocchet's biggest mistake was? Putting Kuzmenko back in after a big win where the team played a great two way game. Scratching Aman who just had a 2 assist night, what a blunder." Kuzmenko has been ass all season. Sitting him for two games is not an issue and it was not the reason we lost that game.

I don't think you understood the post it is the accumulation of Tocchet's inexperience that lead him to that decision.

 

As a former Hockey player that played BCHL and then US collage Hockey I can tell you from experience of being benched, a player is banging his stick to get back in there to show he belongs.

 

Nobody, should care what Amen did like I mention in the post he isn't a regular this season Kuz is a first line winger. Just because Amen had two assists doesn't mean he is going to do the same next game. And I guarantee that Kuz is in the line up next game.

[Cromeslab]

I like to think Gonchar and Foote have contributed

[Bob Long]

Collage hockey?

[Strawbone]

You lost me when you said Tocchet would be at best a bottom 6 player on this team. The guy had 952 points in 1144 games and was as tough as nails. Prime Tocchet would be playing with Petey or Miller on this team. You seem to have a bit of personal bias against him. 
 

I do think the jury is still out on how good a coach he really is, but this is the best-coached Canucks team I’ve watched in quite a few years. 

[Curmudgeon]

1 minute ago, Bob Long said:

Collage hockey?

 

Yes, it has something to do with cut and paste, I think.

[Tocchet.A.Hockey.God]

1 minute ago, Bob Long said:

Collage hockey?

I did go on a hockey scholarship not an academic one 

[Cromeslab]

Props to the click bait title lol

[Tocchet.A.Hockey.God]

1 minute ago, Strawbone said:

You lost me when you said Tocchet would be at best a bottom 6 player on this team. The guy had 952 points in 1144 games and was as tough as nails. Prime Tocchet would be playing with Petey or Miller on this team. You seem to have a bit of personal bias against him. 
 

I do think the jury is still out on how good a coach he really is, but this is the best-coached Canucks team I’ve watched in quite a few years. 

I extrapolated he played his prime during the 80s and early 90s

[Bob Long]

Just now, CanuckFanForever said:

I did go on a hockey scholarship not an academic one 

 

It was just funny.

 

I don't think your premise is correct tho, the team is short of some depth but this is the best coaching staff since AV.

[Tocchet.A.Hockey.God]

Just now, Cromeslab said:

Props to the click bait title lol

not click bait answer the question what has Tocchet done for the team? things seem to be going of the rails but that is the question

[Tocchet.A.Hockey.God]

1 minute ago, Bob Long said:

 

It was just funny.

 

I don't think your premise is correct tho, the team is short of some depth but this is the best coaching staff since AV.

What has Tocchet done for the team? that is the question

[Cromeslab]

1 minute ago, CanuckFanForever said:

not click bait answer the question what has Tocchet done for the team? things seem to be going of the rails but that is the question

So far we’re fine a loss is not the end of the world.Imo our coaching is good,if not top tier in the league

[Bob Long]

4 minutes ago, CanuckFanForever said:

What has Tocchet done for the team? that is the question

 

A lot. He's helping grow a new leadership group, a more professional team identity, his staff is doing a great job improving the defence. 

 

He's building a more consistent and sustainable game.

 

Like I said, we are short on depth. Once Allvin sorts that out we will be tough to beat on nights our stars aren't firing on all cylinders.

Edited November 27, 2023 by Bob Long

[Jeremy Hronek]

6 minutes ago, CanuckFanForever said:

What has Tocchet done for the team? that is the question

 

Did you see how the team was playing (zero structure) before he got here?

[Tocchet.A.Hockey.God]

1 minute ago, Bob Long said:

 

A lot. He's helping grow a new leadership group, a more professional team identity, his staff is doing a great job improving the defence. 

 

He's building a more consistent and sustainable game.

 

Like I said, we are short on depth. Once Allvin sorts that out we will be tough to beat on nights our stars aren't firing on all cylinders.

I would ask is he. Where's the prove on the ice. 

 

I could have taken this post in multiple ways.

 

Here is one, Why is Miller having to tell the players where to stand prior to the faceoffs anyone else notice that. That is a lot of talking being over heard by the opposition, They are literally telling the opposition their plays a head of time. That is not a team well prepared. 

[Tocchet.A.Hockey.God]

2 minutes ago, Jeremy Hronek said:

 

Did you see how the team was playing (zero structure) before he got here?

They still are but it was being overshadowed by greater offensive puck possession and their ability to score at an unreasonable rate of 4gpg

[LillStrimma]

12 minutes ago, CanuckFanForever said:

I extrapolated he played his prime during the 80s and early 90s

Ah, so you say he can jump in bottom six right now. Nice with some options. 

 

 

[AatuD2]

33 minutes ago, Hammertime said:

Maybe the Kuzzi world tour wasn't the best way to prepare for a hockey season?

 

He was staying fit and came back to Vancouver pretty early.  

 

I don't think that we should start pointing fingers after a tough 19 game stretch.  He'll come around. 

 

 

As for OP, this thread begs the question:  have you been watching this team?  We just finished a very exciting 21 game stretch and I've had a lot of fun as a die-hard fan watching an exciting team that's committed to structure.  Tocchet has implemented accountability and commitment to defense.  It still falters of course, and we have to be realistic:  

We are not a top 5 team in the league. 

We are a 7th-12th team in the league.  

 

So adjust your expectations. 

[Bob Long]

2 minutes ago, CanuckFanForever said:

I would ask is he. Where's the prove on the ice. 

 

We're 14-7-1

 

2 minutes ago, CanuckFanForever said:

I could have taken this post in multiple ways.

 

Well it is a collage 

 

2 minutes ago, CanuckFanForever said:

Here is one, Why is Miller having to tell the players where to stand prior to the faceoffs anyone else notice that. That is a lot of talking being over heard by the opposition, They are literally telling the opposition their plays a head of time. That is not a team well prepared. 

 

Communication on the ice is awesome to see. Have you ever noticed Crosby and how he communicates with his line?

[Tocchet.A.Hockey.God]

1 minute ago, LillStrimma said:

Ah, so you say he can jump in bottom six right now. Nice with some options. 

 

 

LOL. NO

 

His prime now I would say top 7-8 forward

[joe-max]

So you are asking, do we really need him?