[RUMOUR] Adam Larsson on the trade block

[Elias Pettersson]

Adam Larsson of Kraken Being Targeted in Trade Talks (msn.com)

 

One team that could be an interesting fit is Vancouver. They would love to add someone of Larsson’s pedigree and are still looking for help on the blue line. Vancouver isn’t terribly far from Seattle and the Canucks might consider trading Andrei Kuzmenko.

 

Love me some Adam Larsson.  And he's Swedish too.  C'mon Allvin, we all know you want this guy.  Pull the trigger baby...

 

Would you do Kuzmenko for Larsson straight up?

[DeNiro]

Not exactly young anymore.

 

I think we should be targeting younger D men.

[Elias Pettersson]

1 minute ago, DeNiro said:

Not exactly young anymore.

 

I think we should be targeting younger D men.

 

He's still 3 years younger than Cole or Myers.  And only a few months older than Miller.  At the end of the day, he fits our window, which is now.

[DeNiro]

1 minute ago, Elias Pettersson said:

 

He's still 3 years younger than Cole or Myers.  And only a few months older than Miller.  At the end of the day, he fits our window, which is now.

He would cost too much for a rental who’s gonna be over the hill in a few years.

 

Pass.

[Coconuts]

He'll be 32 in two days, has a couple years left on his deal. Great cap hit and probably contributes well over the remainder of his deal though. (Edit: just turned 31, has this year and next on his deal, was thinking December instead of November)

 

I suppose the question is what the cost would be, and whether they'd actually trade with us. 

 

A Kuzmenko for Larsson trade could potentially work, but like Deniro said I'd rather go after a longer-term assest if we're trading Kuzmenko. 

 

You could argue he fits a window now, I'd argue we'd be better served by looking for an option that better fits a longer window. 

Edited December 11, 2023 by Coconuts

[Elias Pettersson]

1 minute ago, Coconuts said:

He'll be 32 in two days, has a couple years left on his deal. Great cap hit and probably contributes well over the remainder of his deal though. 

 

I suppose the question is what the cost would be, and whether they'd actually trade with us. 

 

A Kuzmenko for Larsson trade could potentially work, but like Deniro said I'd rather go after a longer-term assest if we're trading Kuzmenko. 

 

You could argue he fits a window now, I'd argue we'd be better served by looking for an option that better fits a longer window. 

 

He turned 31 in November...

 

Not sure Kuzy will get you much right now.  If you can flip him for a top 4 RHDman like Larsson who plays 23 minutes a night and is a top penalty killer, that is probably the best you can get for Kuzy...

Edited December 11, 2023 by Elias Pettersson

[Coconuts]

Just now, Elias Pettersson said:

 

He turned 31 in November...

 

Ahh, yeah, got the month wrong. Still, the rest of my point stands. 

[DeNiro]

1 minute ago, Coconuts said:

He'll be 32 in two days, has a couple years left on his deal. Great cap hit and probably contributes well over the remainder of his deal though. 

 

I suppose the question is what the cost would be, and whether they'd actually trade with us. 

 

A Kuzmenko for Larsson trade could potentially work, but like Deniro said I'd rather go after a longer-term assest if we're trading Kuzmenko. 

 

You could argue he fits a window now, I'd argue we'd be better served by looking for an option that better fits a longer window. 

Yep can’t be thinking that short term.

 

Our window should really be opening a few years from now.

[Elias Pettersson]

Just now, DeNiro said:

Yep can’t be thinking that short term.

 

Our window should really be opening a few years from now.

 

In a few years, Miller will be a 3rd liner and Hughes and Demko are probably gone if we aren't contending for a cup...

[BPA]

13 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Adam Larsson of Kraken Being Targeted in Trade Talks (msn.com)

 

One team that could be an interesting fit is Vancouver. They would love to add someone of Larsson’s pedigree and are still looking for help on the blue line. Vancouver isn’t terribly far from Seattle and the Canucks might consider trading Andrei Kuzmenko.

 

Love me some Adam Larsson.  And he's Swedish too.  C'mon Allvin, we all know you want this guy.  Pull the trigger baby...

 

Would you do Kuzmenko for Larsson straight up?

Straight up?  Depends…

 

Larsen (31yr) is a 6’3” RHD making $4M for 1 more season after this one.  He can play in the top 4D.  Kuz (27yr) makes $5.5M for one more season.  So there is a cap savings for the Canucks.  

Boils down to if Canucks want to go for it now or not.  If it were me, I’d probably do it.

[Pears]

Interesting base work for a trade for sure, though I don't know if I'd do a one for one swap since Kuzmenko still has offensive upside. I'd try and get another pick or prospect as well with Larsson. 

[DeNiro]

1 minute ago, Elias Pettersson said:

 

In a few years, Miller will be a 3rd liner and Hughes and Demko are probably gone if we aren't contending for a cup...

lol if our window is only open now until three years from now management really screwed up. 

 

Good thing that’s not true.

[Coconuts]

5 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

Yep can’t be thinking that short term.

 

Our window should really be opening a few years from now.

 

Some folks talk as if our window has to be before Demko, Hughes, and Boeser need to be re-upped as if we aren't going to try and compete after those deals are extended. 

 

Things rarely work out perfectly, which is why management has been looking to bring in additions that serve both the short and long-term. 

 

Cole and Soucy work in the short term, Zadorov could work in the long-term. Even Kuzmenko is a short-term piece. 

 

Always gotta juggle the short-term and long-term needs, they're trying to figure that out with Pettersson right now. 

 

I'm not interested in blowing our asset load because management is fixated on a 2-4 year window. 

 

If you can make smart additions, sure, do it, but we're better served by bringing in longer-term assets if we can do it. Let's try making the playoffs for at least a season before thinking about somehow going all-in. 

Edited December 11, 2023 by Coconuts

[VegasCanuck]

9 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

He would cost too much for a rental who’s gonna be over the hill in a few years.

 

Pass.

He has another year left on his contract and as we saw with Zadorov, I think the price for rentals has come down, largely due to the amount of work teams have to do to acquire them when there's no cap space.

 

Not saying that he's the guy we should go after, but I think rentals, this year at least, are going to be cheaper than a lot of people think.

 

[Elias Pettersson]

Just now, DeNiro said:

lol if our window is only open now until three years from now management really screwed up. 

 

Good thing that’s not true.

 

Our window is now not a few years from now.  Saying our window is a few years from now implies we are still looking for core players and just trying to make the playoffs.

 

We literally have the best record in Vancouver Canucks history after 28 games this season.  Even better than 2010-2011.  Why wait a few years to go for the cup when we can do it now?  In a few years, Miller won't be the same player anymore.  And Hughes will be a UFA.  If we are dicking around and not trying to contend then why should Hughes stay in Vancouver?  Why would Petey stay after next season?

 

JR was very clear when he said he is looking to contend in 2-3 years when he arrived.  The moves we are making now do not look like moves of a team waiting for a few years to contend.

[Nucker67]

Teams need older, veteran guys in the lineup if they're Cup contenders. 

 

Hughes - Hronek

Zadorov - Larsson

Cole - Myers

Soucy

 

(Friedman, Juulsen, Irwin)

[DeNiro]

2 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

 

Our window is now not a few years from now.  Saying our window is a few years from now implies we are still looking for core players and just trying to make the playoffs.

 

We literally have the best record in Vancouver Canucks history after 28 games this season.  Even better than 2010-2011.  Why wait a few years to go for the cup when we can do it now?  In a few years, Miller won't be the same player anymore.  And Hughes will be a UFA.  If we are dicking around and not trying to contend then why should Hughes stay in Vancouver?  Why would Petey stay after next season?

 

JR was very clear when he said he is looking to contend in 2-3 years when he arrived.  The moves we are making now do not look like moves of a team waiting for a few years to

 

 

Maybe we’re arguing semantics right now.

 

When I say contender I mean cup contender not playoff contender. Meaning they’ve made the playoffs a few years in a row and are ready to compete for a cup. They’re not there yet.

[4petesake]

25 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Adam Larsson of Kraken Being Targeted in Trade Talks (msn.com)

 

One team that could be an interesting fit is Vancouver. They would love to add someone of Larsson’s pedigree and are still looking for help on the blue line. Vancouver isn’t terribly far from Seattle and the Canucks might consider trading Andrei Kuzmenko.

 

Love me some Adam Larsson.  And he's Swedish too.  C'mon Allvin, we all know you want this guy.  Pull the trigger baby...

 

Would you do Kuzmenko for Larsson straight up?

 

If management doesn’t believe Kuzmenko can play the way they need him to then I absolutely make that trade. Larsson is a guy I’ve been after for a while now

 

 

[Elias Pettersson]

1 minute ago, Nucker67 said:

Teams need older, veteran guys in the lineup if they're Cup contenders. 

 

Hughes - Hronek

Zadorov - Larsson

Cole - Myers

Soucy

 

(Friedman, Juulsen, Irwin)

 

Exactly.  Look at Pittsburgh in 2016 and 2017.  This was Pittsburgh's lineup in the playoffs in 2016 when they won the first cup.  Every player in the top 10 in scoring in the playoffs was at least 27 years old.  Kunitz was 36.  Cullen was 39.  JR is building the same team here that he built with Pittsburgh.  He's taking the core and building around it with veterans like he did with Pittsburgh...

 

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2	Kris Letang	28	D	71	16	51	67	9	66	11	5	0	2	26	22	3	218	7.3	1913	26:57	7.0	4.3	11.3	122	135	0	0
3	Phil Kessel	28	RW	82	26	33	59	9	18	22	4	0	5	20	13	0	274	9.5	1507	18:23	5.4	1.9	7.2	13	9	2	3	40.0
4	Evgeni Malkin	29	C	57	27	31	58	1	65	16	11	0	6	15	16	0	162	16.7	1104	19:22	6.5	1.1	7.6	19	27	317	438	42.0
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[Darius]

I’d love to see him as part of our d core. Another big physical d man. It would be a menacing blue line, the type that can punish any team. 

[D.B Cooper]

10 minutes ago, Nucker67 said:

Teams need older, veteran guys in the lineup if they're Cup contenders. 

 

Hughes - Hronek

Zadorov - Larsson

Cole - Myers

Soucy

 

(Friedman, Juulsen, Irwin)

That’s a rock solid top 7.  
A lot of big fellas too.  

[Coconuts]

11 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

 

 

Maybe we’re arguing semantics right now.

 

When I say contender I mean cup contender not playoff contender. Meaning they’ve made the playoffs a few years in a row and are ready to compete for a cup. They’re not there yet.

 

I think you're probably right 

 

I'm not even seriously willing to talk about contention until we make the playoffs at least a couple seasons in a row 

 

The odds of us waltzing back into the playoffs and heading straight to a conference or cup final aren't very good, more than likely we'll have to beat our heads against the playoff wall the way other championship teams over the past decade have 

 

There are teams trying to become playoff regulars and then there are contenders, we aren't a contender 

[Snoop Hogg]

One thing we do know and that’s we still need help on d and if we can move someone expendable to acquire said defenceman, we should do it. Whether it’s sending them Kuzmenko or Garland, I don’t care. We have guys in Abby who can replace them on much cheaper contracts, whether it be Podkolzin or Bains. 

[Provost]

I would do the Kuzmenko-Larsson deal for sure.

 

It would be great to find a top pairing 26 year old RHD on a team friendly cap hit… but they tend not to be available often.  Holding out for a unicorn probably doesn’t pan out.

 

Tanev will get a contract for more than Larsson is getting paid.  Kuzmenko is signed to the same term as Larsson and is a UFA, so it doesn’t matter if he is 3 years younger.  He is under club control for only another 1.5 years.

 

Kuzmenko does have some trade protection though.

 

You only need a bandaid “hopefully” on RD for Willander to be ready so a veteran like Larsson could be an ideal fit.  Not only is he a fellow Swede to mentor his replacement, but he will be aging and needing reduced minutes just as Willander could be ready for more minutes.

 

This year:

Hughes-Larsson

Zadorov-Hronek

Soucy-Cole

Juulsen-Myers

 

Next year:

Hughes-Larsson

Zadorov-Hronek

Soucy-Cole

Juulsen

 

That is six guys who can all play top 4 in a pinch to protect you against injuries, and yet not breaking the bank cap wise.

 

Really nice size and mobility, definitely a top 1/3rd of the league defence at least. That wound be a ridiculous turnaround from the dog’s breakfast we have had for the last few years.

 

2025/26 or 2026/27 you swap out one of Cole/Larsson for Willander so he can come into a 3rd pairing to develop.

 

 

 

Edited December 11, 2023 by Provost

[Jester13]

33 minutes ago, Coconuts said:

 

Ahh, yeah, got the month wrong. Still, the rest of my point stands. 

This is a good reminder to finally shave your mustache