[Waivers] October 7

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Edited October 7, 2023 by aGENT

[Elias Pettersson]

Tyler Madden. That name rings a bell. 

[Rekker]

Hayden? Interested. 

[Diamonds]

Some solid forwards in Boqvist and Gurianov but neither are players we need. Cale Fleury is intriguing, but I don't think he's better than yesterday's options.

[aGENT]

5 minutes ago, Rekker said:

Hayden? Interested. 

Meh... He's pretty much just big.

[27 Percent]

3 minutes ago, aGENT said:

Meh... He's pretty much just big.

He's mean too. But useless at the hockey stuff. 

[aGENT]

Just now, 27 Percent said:

He's mean too. But useless at the hockey stuff. 

Including/especially skating... Meh.

[Seventy7]

Zboril (once clears) for Rathbone?

[Provost]

Did everyone clear from yesterday?

Wade Allison was interesting name as a depth guy with some real bite who would push Joshua to either be better or get replaced.

[CRAZY_4_NAZZY]

3 minutes ago, Provost said:

Did everyone clear from yesterday?

Wade Allison was interesting name as a depth guy with some real bite who would push Joshua to either be better or get replaced.

 

Denisenko the only guy claimed. 

 

 

Edited October 7, 2023 by CRAZY_4_NAZZY

[Devron]

Allvin said no

[PureQuickness]

34 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Tyler Madden. That name rings a bell. 

 

Madden/Rathbone - these were promising prospects that were obvious Brackett picks under Jim Benning. Whenever we remember Brackett, we remember the good things, but seemingly we forget about the misses. These were decent swings, but they seem to be misses as well at this point.

[Viking]

2 minutes ago, PureQuickness said:

 

Madden/Rathbone - these were promising prospects that were obvious Brackett picks under Jim Benning. Whenever we remember Brackett, we remember the good things, but seemingly we forget about the misses. These were decent swings, but they seem to be misses as well at this point.

mid round picks rarely pan out...especially for the Canucks!

[NMHockey]

Vegas really got Marchessault and Smith from Florida in the 2017 expansion. Then with those two they beat Florida in a Cup Final in only five games, broke M.Tkachuks sternum, then claimed one of Floridas top forward prospects. Ice. Cold. 

In all seriousness Bill Zito should not worry about any relationship damaging between him and Vegas' hockey operations staff. Those two teams clearly dislike one another and that rivalry will likely last a long time. Zito should strike back. Claim a likely Vegas waivers-bound young player that Vegas cannot afford to keep like Pachal, Cotter, or even Comtois if he signs.

And then go sign Phil Kessel to a 2 year deal at league minimum, he can help Florida get a cup (maybe even in a rematch against Vegas), and he can retire in the Florida sun.

Edited October 7, 2023 by NMHockey

[Devron]

6 minutes ago, PureQuickness said:

 

Madden/Rathbone - these were promising prospects that were obvious Brackett picks under Jim Benning. Whenever we remember Brackett, we remember the good things, but seemingly we forget about the misses. These were decent swings, but they seem to be misses as well at this point.

3rd and 4th round picks. I didn’t lose any sleep when we traded Madden. They are all swings after the first couple rounds. Even the first round is about a 50% chance at a great player 

[Provost]

17 minutes ago, PureQuickness said:

 

Madden/Rathbone - these were promising prospects that were obvious Brackett picks under Jim Benning. Whenever we remember Brackett, we remember the good things, but seemingly we forget about the misses. These were decent swings, but they seem to be misses as well at this point.

We drafted them in the 3rd and 4th rounds.  Those players have a low probability of every playing in the NHL.  Rathbone has already exceeded his draft position even if he never plays another NHL game.

You should absolutely be able to mine an NHL regular out of the later rounds (after round 2) every 2-3 years.  Unfortunately we gave away many of our 2nd and 3rd round picks and those are the rounds when you have a 25-33% chance of getting an NHLer.  Later rounds who turn into significant players are unicorns.  A guy like McDonagh even getting a contract from the 7th round is unusual.

Regularly failing badly at top 10 picks is unforgiveable, and that isn't on Bracket at all.  Every top 10 picks should end up as a significant player on your roster, and most should be in the top half of it.  We have hit on 2 of 5 so far.  One of those (Petterson was by all reports a pick that Benning had to be convinced to take instead of Glass who he wanted).  Hughes was a complete no brainer at that spot, and thankfully Benning didn't screw it up by going off the board.  Literally every prospect list had him at #7 or higher, he fell to us and there was a big gap after that tier so not a lot of competition.

Look at Brackett's body or work since leaving the Canucks.  The Wild have consistently been ranked as one of the top prospect pools since he got there, even though they are always picking in the mushy middle and not getting any top picks.

Edited October 7, 2023 by Provost

[PhillipBlunt]

I want management to pick up Brad Hunt and Riley Stillman just so a certain poster can have a complete meltdown and go cheer for the Kraken again. 

[Huggy Bear]

What about Cale Fleury?

 

Ht/Wt 6’1’’, 213 lbs 

Shoots R

Experience 3 years 

Debut Oct 3, 2019

Born Nov 19, 1998 (24 yrs) Carlyle, Saskatchewan

 

SCOUTING REPORT

Plays a mean but clean game, with a good combination of puck-moving skills, mobility and size. Will probably never be a major offensive force at the NHL level, though he was a decent point producer in junior hockey and the AHL. Plays with smarts and strength in his own zone, and has the ability to play as a top-four blueliner but must continue to improve.

Long Range Potential:Promising defenseman.

[Viking]

7 minutes ago, Huggy Bear said:

What about Cale Fleury?

 

Ht/Wt 6’1’’, 213 lbs 

Shoots R

Experience 3 years 

Debut Oct 3, 2019

Born Nov 19, 1998 (24 yrs) Carlyle, Saskatchewan

 

SCOUTING REPORT

Plays a mean but clean game, with a good combination of puck-moving skills, mobility and size. Will probably never be a major offensive force at the NHL level, though he was a decent point producer in junior hockey and the AHL. Plays with smarts and strength in his own zone, and has the ability to play as a top-four blueliner but must continue to improve.

Long Range Potential:Promising defenseman.

Maybe but I think we have plenty of fringe D already so unless Soucey is out long term we have passed on many other RHD so never say never but chances are low I would think...

[Trebreh]

I wonder why fleury is being waived?

[Dom]

Cale Fleury please. 

[PureQuickness]

1 hour ago, Provost said:

We drafted them in the 3rd and 4th rounds.  Those players have a low probability of every playing in the NHL.  Rathbone has already exceeded his draft position even if he never plays another NHL game.

You should absolutely be able to mine an NHL regular out of the later rounds (after round 2) every 2-3 years.  Unfortunately we gave away many of our 2nd and 3rd round picks and those are the rounds when you have a 25-33% chance of getting an NHLer.  Later rounds who turn into significant players are unicorns.  A guy like McDonagh even getting a contract from the 7th round is unusual.

Regularly failing badly at top 10 picks is unforgiveable, and that isn't on Bracket at all.  Every top 10 picks should end up as a significant player on your roster, and most should be in the top half of it.  We have hit on 2 of 5 so far.  One of those (Petterson was by all reports a pick that Benning had to be convinced to take instead of Glass who he wanted).  Hughes was a complete no brainer at that spot, and thankfully Benning didn't screw it up by going off the board.  Literally every prospect list had him at #7 or higher, he fell to us and there was a big gap after that tier so not a lot of competition.

Look at Brackett's body or work since leaving the Canucks.  The Wild have consistently been ranked as one of the top prospect pools since he got there, even though they are always picking in the mushy middle and not getting any top picks.

 

Yes, you're right. My point out of this is that Benning didn't keep the people who could've helped him, but kept the ones that didn't (Green). In this aspect, he wasn't a very good talent evaluator. His scouting though was decent, but was it enough to save his job? Of course not. He made too many mistakes that basically undermined whatever good things that he did.

 

Trading picks away seems to be a habit that is true for all the regimes, whether that be Gillis or even Allvin. I am still reserved about the Hronek player. It is a high price to give up a 1st and a 2nd as a bottom feeding team, even if that 1st rounder was acquired by trading Horvat. The 2nd round pick was a HIGH one. It was our own.

 

At the same time, Brackett has often been overly romanticized. People often forget the good Benning picks (Pettersson and Hughes), by making excuses such as "they're no brainer picks" while criticizing him for the Juolevi pick, for example. There's no standard when it comes to criticism. It just seems that people cherry pick on things like that. Rathbone was a longshot pick, sure, but the inabilty for the Canucks to get gems in the middle to late rounds is what can screw us over, especially considering our tendency to trade high picks away. We lacked depth and this was an issue starting with Gillis.

 

People often talk about Gillis like he's the greatest GM ever, but he really isn't when taking into consideration other factors. His drafting was ATROCIOUS. The amount of lost draft picks and the ACTUAL drafted players were both not good. This inability to draft good players regardless of the rounds (people will make excuses as to why he was not drafting well) has cost us dearly in terms of the prospects. The only 1st rounders we were successful with were: Hodgson and Horvat. The only player worth mentioning is Hutton.  That's absolutely a terrible draft record.

Edited October 7, 2023 by PureQuickness

[Dizzle]

1 hour ago, Provost said:

We drafted them in the 3rd and 4th rounds.  Those players have a low probability of every playing in the NHL.  Rathbone has already exceeded his draft position even if he never plays another NHL game.

You should absolutely be able to mine an NHL regular out of the later rounds (after round 2) every 2-3 years.  Unfortunately we gave away many of our 2nd and 3rd round picks and those are the rounds when you have a 25-33% chance of getting an NHLer.  Later rounds who turn into significant players are unicorns.  A guy like McDonagh even getting a contract from the 7th round is unusual.

Regularly failing badly at top 10 picks is unforgiveable, and that isn't on Bracket at all.  Every top 10 picks should end up as a significant player on your roster, and most should be in the top half of it.  We have hit on 2 of 5 so far.  One of those (Petterson was by all reports a pick that Benning had to be convinced to take instead of Glass who he wanted).  Hughes was a complete no brainer at that spot, and thankfully Benning didn't screw it up by going off the board.  Literally every prospect list had him at #7 or higher, he fell to us and there was a big gap after that tier so not a lot of competition.

Look at Brackett's body or work since leaving the Canucks.  The Wild have consistently been ranked as one of the top prospect pools since he got there, even though they are always picking in the mushy middle and not getting any top picks.

Just saying… there’s pretty regularly 3-5 guys in the top 10 each year that don’t pan out. So to say it’s unforgivable to regularly miss on top ten picks (when you’d have to first establish whether that’s the case with our history or not) is a litttttle bit of a stretch. 

I want to be careful to not defend Benning too much here - he certainly doesn’t have a spotless record - just think the claim you’re making there might be a little on the excessive end. 

[DeNiro]

Fleury is just another Woo level player. Not ready for full time NHL duty.

 

I would hold out for another D man. Trade for Coghlan or Miromanov. They have way more upside than these players.

 

I would be good with a Gurianov claim however. Still not convinced we have enough depth scoring.

[King Heffy]

1 hour ago, PhillipBlunt said:

I want management to pick up Brad Hunt and Riley Stillman just so a certain poster can have a complete meltdown and go cheer for the Kraken again. 

I'd be ok with that.  Nothing would convince ownership of the need to fire this management group more than bringing those useless pylons.  Anything that helps drive Rutherford out of town is a positive move long-term.