CanucksJay Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 Oilers are floundering Ekholm is old. He might only have 2 years of good hockey left. Trading away Raty hurts but you need to give up something to get something. Beau and Raty would immediately improve their forward depth while we get a star back on D. While oilers lack defense, their window is closing fast and ekholms final years will be wasted as they will probably need to dismantle and rebuild. Horvat is the gift that keeps on giving. Works out to be Horvat+2nd for Hronek and Ekholm. I would say we would go into the playoffs with one of the best D corps Hughes Hronek Ekholm Cole Soucy Myers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 (edited) They just traded for him in February, seems unlikely they'd move him Feb. 28, 2023 Edmonton Oilers Acquire: Mattias Ekholm ($250,000 retained - 4%) · $6,000,000 2024 6th round pick (NSH) Sum: $6,000,000 Change: +$1,500,000 Nashville Predators Acquire: Tyson Barrie · $4,500,000 Reid Schaefer · $0 (AHL/JR) 2023 1st round pick (EDM - #24 - Tanner Molendyk) 2024 4th round pick (EDM) Sum: $4,500,000 Change: -$1,500,000 Edited November 21, 2023 by Coconuts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 I'm sure Ekholm would love to get out of the shitshow that's the Edmonton SoiledTurds, but little chance Edmonton does anyone within the division any favors. Especially the team that broke them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jess Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 I highly doubt the Oilers would consider this trade. Add more scoring forwards? They need more Ekholms, not to trade them away. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Miss Korea Posted November 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 21, 2023 9 minutes ago, -AJ- said: I highly doubt the Oilers would consider this trade. Add more scoring forwards? They need more Ekholms, not to trade them away. If anyone thinks Edmonton is going to immediately start tanking, they need to wake up. Maybe if Ken Holland gets fired? No, even the new GM will go all-in on McDrai. 1 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 1 hour ago, CanucksJay said: Oilers are floundering Ekholm is old. He might only have 2 years of good hockey left. Trading away Raty hurts but you need to give up something to get something. Beau and Raty would immediately improve their forward depth while we get a star back on D. While oilers lack defense, their window is closing fast and ekholms final years will be wasted as they will probably need to dismantle and rebuild. Horvat is the gift that keeps on giving. Works out to be Horvat+2nd for Hronek and Ekholm. I would say we would go into the playoffs with one of the best D corps Hughes Hronek Ekholm Cole Soucy Myers Edmonton is all in on a playoff run, Holland is getting fired and they maintain course or they just maintain course. Zero chance they even think about this deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted November 21, 2023 Author Share Posted November 21, 2023 Just now, canuck73_3 said: Edmonton is all in on a playoff run, Holland is getting fired and they maintain course or they just maintain course. Zero chance they even think about this deal. I don't think so.... Fans are calling and pressuring to blow it up including mcdrai. I have no idea how money puck has them at 45 percent to make playoffs. They are 4 pts up on the sharks... Fans aren't stupid. They see the writing on the wall. It would be highly irresponsible to take that team that's already highly leveraged and then double down to make playoffs. If they don't start moving ppl now, next year, they'll trade Drais and then the following year Mcdavid. There is no quick fix for this team. They are missing WAY too many pieces to fix this in 1 year. I honestly don't even know how you would fix this team Kane, hyman, Nuge, Ryan, Gagner Ekholm are all 30+ What a disaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 15 minutes ago, CanucksJay said: I don't think so.... Fans are calling and pressuring to blow it up including mcdrai. I have no idea how money puck has them at 45 percent to make playoffs. They are 4 pts up on the sharks... Fans aren't stupid. They see the writing on the wall. It would be highly irresponsible to take that team that's already highly leveraged and then double down to make playoffs. If they don't start moving ppl now, next year, they'll trade Drais and then the following year Mcdavid. There is no quick fix for this team. They are missing WAY too many pieces to fix this in 1 year. I honestly don't even know how you would fix this team Kane, hyman, Nuge, Ryan, Gagner Ekholm are all 30+ What a disaster. Teams don't listen to fans for direction. The Oilers are fully set on win now. Blowing it up means Draisaitl and McDavid are leaving so no, blowing the team up is not an option. Much less trading their only good dman for a centrepiece who can't defend, let alone to a division rival, Again ZERO chance of this not getting laughed at by the Oil it makes no sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 54 minutes ago, Miss Korea said: If anyone thinks Edmonton is going to immediately start tanking, they need to wake up. Maybe if Ken Holland gets fired? No, even the new GM will go all-in on McDrai. Funny, I was under the impression they were tanking right now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 31 minutes ago, CanucksJay said: I don't think so.... Fans are calling and pressuring to blow it up including mcdrai. I have no idea how money puck has them at 45 percent to make playoffs. They are 4 pts up on the sharks... Fans aren't stupid. They see the writing on the wall. It would be highly irresponsible to take that team that's already highly leveraged and then double down to make playoffs. If they don't start moving ppl now, next year, they'll trade Drais and then the following year Mcdavid. There is no quick fix for this team. They are missing WAY too many pieces to fix this in 1 year. I honestly don't even know how you would fix this team Kane, hyman, Nuge, Ryan, Gagner Ekholm are all 30+ What a disaster. The Oilers are done. It was either cup or bust, and they busted a nut harder than a chipmunk on a Saturday night. McBaby is going to want out. He will request a trade by summer at the latest... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker67 Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 Laine was scratched and obviously not happy in Columbus. I saw an interesting trade suggestion: ? - What if CBJ retained on Laine in a trade? (say, $2) What would it cost the Canucks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 Edmonton isn't trading the only actual NHL quality D they have for forwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickenspear Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 27 minutes ago, Nucker67 said: Laine was scratched and obviously not happy in Columbus. I saw an interesting trade suggestion: ? - What if CBJ retained on Laine in a trade? (say, $2) What would it cost the Canucks? $8,699,998. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 39 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Funny, I was under the impression they were tanking right now... 37 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: The Oilers are done. It was either cup or bust, and they busted a nut harder than a chipmunk on a Saturday night. McBaby is going to want out. He will request a trade by summer at the latest... They are absolutely not done until they hit rock bottom. You think this is bad? Give it a couple more months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 15 minutes ago, Miss Korea said: They are absolutely not done until they hit rock bottom. You think this is bad? Give it a couple more months. I guess it could get worse. Instead of being the 3rd worst team in the league, they could be THE worst. McDavid and Draisaitl could also both blow out their knees... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 3 hours ago, CanucksJay said: Oilers are floundering Ekholm is old. He might only have 2 years of good hockey left. Trading away Raty hurts but you need to give up something to get something. Beau and Raty would immediately improve their forward depth while we get a star back on D. While oilers lack defense, their window is closing fast and ekholms final years will be wasted as they will probably need to dismantle and rebuild. Horvat is the gift that keeps on giving. Works out to be Horvat+2nd for Hronek and Ekholm. I would say we would go into the playoffs with one of the best D corps Hughes Hronek Ekholm Cole Soucy Myers Yeah, nooooooooo..... Raty is our future 3C, and let's just make a deal for someone else or sit until summer. Do some minor tweaks at the deadline and be ready to move on free agents and a loosened cap in the summer. Beauvillier isn't that big of an issue to move, but we need the right piece back from him. We need a team that is a little weak in top 6 but strong in bottom 6 to work with. Beauvillier to somewhere, with some cap retained if necessary to make numbers work in exchange for a solid bottom 6 guy or a solid 3rd pairing D and throw in a later round draft pick and we're good. That trade is out there, but with the cap the way it is, we need a contender to lose a top six for the season to make enough space for the deal to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted November 21, 2023 Author Share Posted November 21, 2023 2 hours ago, Miss Korea said: If anyone thinks Edmonton is going to immediately start tanking, they need to wake up. Maybe if Ken Holland gets fired? No, even the new GM will go all-in on McDrai. 2 hours ago, canuck73_3 said: Edmonton is all in on a playoff run, Holland is getting fired and they maintain course or they just maintain course. Zero chance they even think about this deal. I get what you guys are saying but can you honestly look at how you could possibly fix the team before Drais and Mcdavid contracts expire? I just don't see how you can do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 29 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: I guess it could get worse. Instead of being the 3rd worst team in the league, they could be THE worst. McDavid and Draisaitl could also both blow out their knees... I don't want anyone to get hurt. If anything that'll just give them an excuse for failing. No exaggeration - I don’t think I've seen a whole team grip their sticks as hard as the Oilers do right now. The talent is there and they should be winning but they are in absolute panic mode right now. Reminds me of Boston against Florida last year, but on a bigger scale. McDavid looks like he's aged about 6 years in the past 6 weeks. 1 minute ago, CanucksJay said: I get what you guys are saying but can you honestly look at how you could possibly fix the team before Drais and Mcdavid contracts expire? I just don't see how you can do it. Bear in mind EDM has done nothing yet to address its roster problems. They have demoted a goalie and fired their coach. Zero additions, zero trades as of today. There is no doubt that will change. But there is also zero chance Edmonton makes any trade where they are the one acquiring prospects. Ekholm is the only defenceman pulling his weight on both sides of the ice. He is... the only indispensable skater on their blueline. Do you know what Ekholm cost last year? They gave up Tyson Barrie, a first round pick and a fourth round pick. He was expensive as hell. A garbage winger like Beauvillier and a mid-level prospect like Raty doesn't even come close to fair value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Nucker67 said: Laine was scratched and obviously not happy in Columbus. I saw an interesting trade suggestion: ? - What if CBJ retained on Laine in a trade? (say, $2) What would it cost the Canucks? We don't need a one dimensional winger who can't defend. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 18 minutes ago, CanucksJay said: I get what you guys are saying but can you honestly look at how you could possibly fix the team before Drais and Mcdavid contracts expire? I just don't see how you can do it. Doesn't matter I can't see it either but their direction is cup or bust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingRaj91 Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 Oilers main issue is their defense, they aren't going to trade Ekholm away, especially for Beau. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted November 21, 2023 Author Share Posted November 21, 2023 5 minutes ago, Miss Korea said: I don't want anyone to get hurt. If anything that'll just give them an excuse for failing. No exaggeration - I don’t think I've seen a whole team grip their sticks as hard as the Oilers do right now. The talent is there and they should be winning but they are in absolute panic mode right now. Reminds me of Boston against Florida last year, but on a bigger scale. McDavid looks like he's aged about 6 years in the past 6 weeks. Bear in mind EDM has done nothing yet to address its roster problems. They have demoted a goalie and fired their coach. Zero additions, zero trades as of today. There is no doubt that will change. But there is also zero chance Edmonton makes any trade where they are the one acquiring prospects. Ekholm is the only defenceman pulling his weight on both sides of the ice. He is... the only indispensable skater on their blueline. Do you know what Ekholm cost last year? They gave up Tyson Barrie, a first round pick and a fourth round pick. He was expensive as hell. A garbage winger like Beauvillier and a mid-level prospect like Raty doesn't even come close to fair value. I might have put more value in Raty than a mid level prospect but that's correct. He's the future 3c here. While we might consider Beau garbage, he'd be an upgrade over many Oiler wingers. If oilers are absolutely going for it now and willing to double down, I'm gonna grab some popcorn and watch them dig their own grave. I just don't see how Drais and Mcdavid will re-sign there. When you watch their interviews, you can see it in their eyes they want to gtfo. Ekholm is 33. I can't see how the oilers are going to make the playoffs this year which means a complete overhaul of the roster is required this summer and mortgaging the future for 1 season before Drais leaves. They also need to upgrade while they are at the cap limit 9.25 for Nurse is insane. There's way too many holes here to fix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted November 21, 2023 Author Share Posted November 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, KingRaj91 said: Oilers main issue is their defense, they aren't going to trade Ekholm away, especially for Beau. Yes in an ideal world, oilers would need to start trading guys like hyman, nuge, Ryan for better defence. But those guys have zero value. So it would cost to get rid of them to even create cap space. But then, how are you gonna acquire D with zero assets? Any asset you might have had, you traded it to dump the guys I just mentioned. There's no one in the farm. Honestly. These guys are screwed. The fact they wasted 4m on Connor Brown is a joke. This happens when Mcdavid runs the show not the GM. Their best and only trade chips are Mcdrai and ekholm.. Everyone else is negative value. As much as it hurts them and they will be the laughing stock for squandering the mcdrai years, they need to trade the 3 mentioned and start over by tanking and drafting (again for the 20th year) What a nightmare.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted November 21, 2023 Author Share Posted November 21, 2023 14 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: Doesn't matter I can't see it either but their direction is cup or bust. Lol Mcdavid even called the guys to come in early this summer. I honestly do feel bad for them. The way the team was structured and created was just stupid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 1 hour ago, CanucksJay said: I might have put more value in Raty than a mid level prospect but that's correct. He's the future 3c here. While we might consider Beau garbage, he'd be an upgrade over many Oiler wingers. If oilers are absolutely going for it now and willing to double down, I'm gonna grab some popcorn and watch them dig their own grave. I just don't see how Drais and Mcdavid will re-sign there. When you watch their interviews, you can see it in their eyes they want to gtfo. Ekholm is 33. I can't see how the oilers are going to make the playoffs this year which means a complete overhaul of the roster is required this summer and mortgaging the future for 1 season before Drais leaves. They also need to upgrade while they are at the cap limit 9.25 for Nurse is insane. There's way too many holes here to fix It doesn't matter what you think should happen - what matters is what you think will happen. And with Ken Holland at the helm, there will absolutely NOT be a rebuild. The Edmonton Oilers will continue its path and win or die trying. Do you honestly think Holland can wave the white flag and not get fired? Bless his heart, but Beauvillier is trash. Don't even try to talk up his value. He doesn't kill penalties and he can barely generate any offense of his own. There is a reason Tocchet has tried promoting any other player but him this season - he sucks. He has less points than Sam Lafferty and he costs a hell of a lot more. Everyone knows you're trying to dump him so don't even think you can get any kind of decent return. More likely you will have to pay to get rid of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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