A Rewrite Of Canucks History Under Gillis, A Different Time Line Fantasy Stuff! Just One More Year.

[TheGuardian]

For entertainment value only!!!!!!

 

Would or, could of, should of, whatever history and hindsight.

 

The thought comes about after reading comments with regards to the LA resurgence.

 

Canucks rebuild and retool at the same time. Just ONE year.

 

Hindsight. Media drive out Gillis and Torts. Resulting in 9 years of absolute crap and 4 coaches. Blame the media for this goofy shite because they lost their inside man Mr. Ego himself, AV.

 

IF

Gillis isn't fired,

.

Kesler still gets traded but to maybe a different team even if he has a clause he wants out, if not he stays. BUT Let's say it goes as it did.

At 2014 draft they pick #6 and #24 from Anaheim, the Canucks pick Larkin and McCann, because McCann fell to #24 anyway, draft Tryamkin, Demko and Forsling, scouts selections. The first is the more GM decision.

 

2015 season;

If Torts sacrificed to the mob he is gone BUT NO Wee Willie

Luongo is gone. The team would never bottom out with him on the team, the trade return included a goalie identified as exceptional, Markstrom not ready for this year so Lack and other AHL guys are run through the team.

The team now has Bonino and Sbisa for simplicity sake, Horvat, Larkin, Sedins, Burrows, Hansen and the rest of the team and Lack in net (this will not turn out well). The team sits pretty much intact all year being very careful with any injuries and due to really poor goaltending they end up with a bottom 2 finish this is only 6 wins worse than the year, (six wins Luongo didn't steal of the 12 or so) before but fans have been told this isn't so bad, there is a silver lining, they will know they are getting 1 or 2. Tryamkin plays without the chaos of Willie. This is a (not)planned crap year, just no goaltending.

 

At 2015 entry draft, Canucks pick no lower than 4th due to the last year of those draft rules and have a better than 70% chance at 2nd over all. Canuck luck, they don't get the number one so they take Eichel. They start 2016 with the kid line, Larkin, Horvat, Eichel, the Sedins with Burrows are relegated to 2nd and 1rst PP, 3rd line Bonino, McCann and ? and most of the rest are still intact but now Markstrom is the goalie with  ?

 

A bit of a reality check sort of :D,

Kesler trade did happen

Gillis did want Larkin in 2014

The rest of the 2014 draft was the result of the scouting staff

McCann would have still been available at #24 BPA

The team would have been worse due to poor goaltending, AHL guys, see what's in the system, saving money,

The 2015 draft was the last guaranteed draft, only bottom three and can't drop more than one spot.

 

Petty hard to go beyond that one year due to too many variables but not replacing Luongo was the ticket, one more planned down year.

The Sedins replacements are there after the draft, but they are still point per game players, still have lots of cap space, lots of "mentors", pretty solid down the middle, center position. Still have most of the draft picks. The team is still a destination of choice by players.

 

Under Gillis the quality of returns for draft picks is quite good, most go on for years in the league after. Pretty sure the next few years would resemble the first 8 years.

 

The only best guesses are without Miller the team would have sucked even more than the following year. A blip for the McD draft.

 

So where would the team be if Larkin, Horvat, McCann and a top 3 from the 2015 draft be now? Too many different time lines to consider anything more than TWO changes in 2014 resulting in a crap year for the 2015 draft. 4 players from the 2014 draft and one for sure and probably up to three from the 2015 draft class.

 

Edited December 5, 2023 by TheGuardian

[King Heffy]

We'd be in even more trouble and have nothing to show from any of the drafts until Gillis was replaced with someone qualified for the position.  That idiot should have been fired at the same time as AV, not even later.

[6of1_halfdozenofother]

Watch out, I hear there's a poster out there who has an interview of Former AGM Chris Gear to share... 

[TheGuardian]

24 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

We'd be in even more trouble and have nothing to show from any of the drafts until Gillis was replaced with someone qualified for the position.  That idiot should have been fired at the same time as AV, not even later.

Holland and Yzerman too? Detroit made the playoff and won the cup a few times, they traded away more than half their picks to stay there.

Gillis did the same as Pittsburgh, Chicago, Tampa, Anaheim, LA, virtually every cup winner and finalist. 

Remember three draft of his were home runs. Coho, was the only junior to win player of the year two years was tied with Taveras in points at the WJC and was only 10 points behind at one time the rookie of the year race, bad back and Mr Ego ruined him. I think Horvat was pretty good don't you and the 2014 draft was all Gillis except Benning selected the number one guy, Virtanen. 2014 should have had 4 players on the team now and the #24 pick would still be here.

Just like Allvin and Rutherford have truly rebuilt the depth now.

 

You would fire the man who got the team to two consecutive president league trophies, BTW that hasn't happened since, a cup final and won four times the number of games Benning did just because he didn't draft as bad as Benning?

 

Not qualified? By who? All his peers and the entire NHL selected him for GM of the year, who is qualified to say he wasn't?

 

Poor drafting is the price of success, poor drafting spots, late picks. Sure there could have been some better choices but compared to Benning the monkey did better year after year except when the head scout argued until he was blue in the face for Pettersson. The monkey even picked Hughes.

[conquestofbaguettes]

1 hour ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said:

Watch out, I hear there's a poster out there who has an interview of Former AGM Chris Gear to share... 

 

Ha. Why would I post that here. This thread isn't for discussion of reality but for discussion of fantastical what ifs  as OP clearly stated.

 

And it appears I really hit a nerve with you, eh. Gotta drag that in here too? Lmao.

 

To even hint at the fact there could be more going on in the hockey business than just the GM and team itself? That  NHL hockey is a product and a big part about "staying competitive" was about... dollars?!?!

 

[NewbieCanuckFan]

Best to leave things buried.

 

Why concern oneself with that when it looks like things are heading in the right direction?

[PureQuickness]

5 hours ago, TheGuardian said:

Holland and Yzerman too? Detroit made the playoff and won the cup a few times, they traded away more than half their picks to stay there.

Gillis did the same as Pittsburgh, Chicago, Tampa, Anaheim, LA, virtually every cup winner and finalist. 

Remember three draft of his were home runs. Coho, was the only junior to win player of the year two years was tied with Taveras in points at the WJC and was only 10 points behind at one time the rookie of the year race, bad back and Mr Ego ruined him. I think Horvat was pretty good don't you and the 2014 draft was all Gillis except Benning selected the number one guy, Virtanen. 2014 should have had 4 players on the team now and the #24 pick would still be here.

Just like Allvin and Rutherford have truly rebuilt the depth now.

 

You would fire the man who got the team to two consecutive president league trophies, BTW that hasn't happened since, a cup final and won four times the number of games Benning did just because he didn't draft as bad as Benning?

 

Not qualified? By who? All his peers and the entire NHL selected him for GM of the year, who is qualified to say he wasn't?

 

Poor drafting is the price of success, poor drafting spots, late picks. Sure there could have been some better choices but compared to Benning the monkey did better year after year except when the head scout argued until he was blue in the face for Pettersson. The monkey even picked Hughes.

 

I love how blatantly biased this thread is about Gillis. Focusses the attention entirely on his successes without even mentioning the bad parts.

[DSVII]

The only rewrite I want is Hamhuis deciding not to hip check Lucic in Game 1

 

[TheGuardian]

17 hours ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:

Best to leave things buried.

 

Why concern oneself with that when it looks like things are heading in the right direction?

Just to counter a poll question. A biased no lose question. A question that has only one answer.

 

The poll question was

 

"Does Benning Get Enough Credit For This Team"

 

Any answer to the question starts with agreeing that Benning deserves credit. 

 

To some posters an equivalent question could be,

 

"Did Gillis need to do more to be the GOAT GM in Vancouver History ?" 

 

With the only answers YES or NO.

 

An answer of no is "he did enough" And Yes "he could have done more" but he was that good, the question claims

 

 

[filthy animal]

On 12/4/2023 at 6:16 PM, 6of1_halfdozenofother said:

Watch out, I hear there's a poster out there who has an interview of Former AGM Chris Gear to share... 

 

All i want for xmas is The chris gear interview!

[filthy animal]

On 12/5/2023 at 9:49 AM, DSVII said:

The only rewrite I want is Hamhuis deciding not to hip check Lucic in Game 1

 

 

Or Aaron Rome taking Horton's head off. Thats was the turning point of the series and what really pissed off the Bruins

[IBatch]

On 12/5/2023 at 5:51 PM, TheGuardian said:

Just to counter a poll question. A biased no lose question. A question that has only one answer.

 

The poll question was

 

"Does Benning Get Enough Credit For This Team"

 

Any answer to the question starts with agreeing that Benning deserves credit. 

 

To some posters an equivalent question could be,

 

"Did Gillis need to do more to be the GOAT GM in Vancouver History ?" 

 

With the only answers YES or NO.

 

An answer of no is "he did enough" And Yes "he could have done more" but he was that good, the question claims

 

 

The GM that won most playoff games isn't Gillis.  

[TheGuardian]

1 hour ago, IBatch said:

The GM that won most playoff games isn't Gillis.  

It never mattered, what the question invoked was any answer because any answer agrees he was in the running for being the GOAT. I think it was Quinn BTW.

[Blue]

On 12/4/2023 at 6:57 PM, King Heffy said:

We'd be in even more trouble and have nothing to show from any of the drafts until Gillis was replaced with someone qualified for the position.  That idiot should have been fired at the same time as AV, not even later.

That's kinda bullshit. Gillis didnt have high 1sts

[King Heffy]

55 minutes ago, Blue said:

That's kinda bullshit. Gillis didnt have high 1sts

Hodgson wasn't low, but Gillis was historically incompetent with the draft.

[Alflives]

5 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

Hodgson wasn't low, but Gillis was historically incompetent with the draft.

It’s not arguable that Gillis (the Great) was both GM and POHO during our club’s most successful seasons. 

[Blue]

4 hours ago, King Heffy said:

Hodgson wasn't low, but Gillis was historically incompetent with the draft.

Hodgson was as sure of a thing at the time has Horvat. Or even more. Hodgson had a medical condition that ruined his career slowly 

[iceman1964]

On 12/4/2023 at 8:41 PM, NewbieCanuckFan said:

Best to leave things buried.

 

Why concern oneself with that when it looks like things are heading in the right direction?

Because this is pretty much the same as the CDC and you know how that goes... 

[filthy animal]

10 hours ago, King Heffy said:

Hodgson wasn't low, but Gillis was historically incompetent with the draft.

 

Benning was historically incompetent with winning, so theres that

 

Here comes the excuses

[King Heffy]

6 hours ago, filthy animal said:

 

Benning was historically incompetent with winning, so theres that

 

Here comes the excuses

You don't think having to replace the worst GM in the history of the franchise who had crippled the team thanks to his incompetence made winning more difficult than average?

[filthy animal]

16 hours ago, King Heffy said:

You don't think having to replace the worst GM in the history of the franchise who had crippled the team thanks to his incompetence made winning more difficult than average?

 

Yeah because Mike Gillis job was clearly to not just make a winning team for himself but also for the next guy. I suppose you want him to leave a mint on the GM chair for Benning too!

 

2 presidents trophies, a stanley cup final, 6 years he was a GM, top 10 overall in the standings. Yeah the worst.

 

The team is winning and for some reason you have FIRE RUTHERFORD, why do you have an account on this site? Maybe you should catch up on your coco melon, or Mr. Wiggles

 

 

[filthy animal]

On 12/8/2023 at 3:00 PM, TheGuardian said:

It never mattered, what the question invoked was any answer because any answer agrees he was in the running for being the GOAT. I think it was Quinn BTW.

 

Its a toss up IMO with Gillis and Burke, but leaning towards Burke. Burke inherited an absolute mess of a team and wheeled and dealed his way into making them into borderline contenders within a few years

[TheGuardian]

9 hours ago, filthy animal said:

 

Its a toss up IMO with Gillis and Burke, but leaning towards Burke. Burke inherited an absolute mess of a team and wheeled and dealed his way into making them into borderline contenders within a few years

Ya Burke too, but he was going for "some kind of championship". To me that meant , divisional which only has a few teams to compete against, President's cup, Conference final and Stanley's. I think Nonis had more to do with deals in Burke's time. I will always remember the "this team can be moved for the price of a quarter" threat to the fans.

 

Quinn did astounding. Butcher and Quinn for Ronning, Courtnall, Momeso, Dirk + in one trade then picking up Babych, Brown, Lafayette, Hedican, Naslund, for a few.

He had some insanely good drafts as well, Linden, Nedved, Bure, Ohlund, quite a few others that played more than 500 games too.

Only there was not a cap then unless the owner put in an internal one, or OT games which blurs' just how good those teams really were. Those OT games created wins from ties and added up to an additional 30% more points per season. No cap did allow a lot more trade freedom.

 

Under the cap though, Gillis is still one of the best GM's in the last 25 years but he bucked the "old boyz network" and is now blacklisted, err, on the outside looking in. This stuff happens more often than thought. Suddenly a good to decent coach or GM suddenly disappears for a decade or longer.