Jeremy Hronek Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 (edited) Kuzmenko would likely fair much better under Edmonton's 'run and gun' system while the Canucks would get significantly physically stronger up front. If Tocchet is looking for a guy that will forecheck, then Eastvander Kane will definitely check the boxes here. While Kane is currently a much better player than Kuzmenko, his age and longer contract would make him a riskier investment than Kuzmenko......and hence, possibly making the deal fair. I don't know if Edmonton would have much reason to make this deal but perhaps it would make sense for the Canucks? Edited December 9, 2023 by Jeremy Hronek 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijjibo Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, Jeremy Hronek said: Kuzmenko would likely fair much better under Edmonton's 'run and gun' system while the Canucks would get significantly physically stronger up front. While Kane is currently a much better place than Kuzmenko, his age and longer contract would make him a riskier investment than Kuzmenko......and hence, possibly making the deal fair. I don't know if Edmonton would have much reason to make this deal but perhaps it would make sense for the Canucks? Like you said, Edmonton doesn't really have a reason to make this deal. Kane has been good in Edmonton, isvmore productive, and brings an element of grit that Kuzmenko never could. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleBen Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 NO..NO..and N0 F'ing way we want that sack of on our team.He's been a problem in every locker room he has been in..good hockey player ..terrible human being 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijjibo Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 8 minutes ago, UncleBen said: NO..NO..and N0 F'ing way we want that sack of on our team.He's been a problem in every locker room he has been in..good hockey player ..terrible human being Maybe I haven't been paying attention but I don't think there's been much in the way of bad reports on him since getting to Edmonton. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 Nobody hits better from behind than this guy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 Don't like this trade; mostly due to Kane's $5.12x3yr contract. I don't like his questionable hits either. If Kusy is to be traded, I'd rather it includes a 2nd pairing d or even a promising prospect/young player that brings back a much lower salary cap. I could also get on board if the team's 1st was included, so they could get a top notch return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman955 Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 Maybe if Kuz wore a full mask, he would return to his form. I can't see trading him for anything of equal or greater value playing now. His chin has changed his game. We should be patient with him, in terms of playing in the NHL. He is in a sophomore slump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 39 minutes ago, qwijjibo said: Maybe I haven't been paying attention but I don't think there's been much in the way of bad reports on him since getting to Edmonton. Possibly because there's no respectable guys on the Oilers. You'd have to be a real piece of trash to fit in with those gutless cowards 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 (edited) Kane is a better fit in Edmonton's top six, he adds an element they'd miss Doesn't really make sense for them Edited December 9, 2023 by Coconuts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijjibo Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 (edited) 39 minutes ago, snowman955 said: Maybe if Kuz wore a full mask, he would return to his form. I can't see trading him for anything of equal or greater value playing now. His chin has changed his game. We should be patient with him, in terms of playing in the NHL. He is in a sophomore slump It's not a sophomore slump. Last year he had an unsustainable shooting percentage. He was at 27.5% By comparison Gretzky had a career average of just over 17%. This year Kuzmenko is at around 11% which is league average. He's probably capable of a bit more but there was never any chance of him repeating his 39 goal output from last season with the number of shots he takes. He'd have to more than double his shot output to get even close to what he did last season, and thats really not his game Edited December 9, 2023 by qwijjibo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 1 hour ago, qwijjibo said: Maybe I haven't been paying attention but I don't think there's been much in the way of bad reports on him since getting to Edmonton. He literally took a penalty and a fight in a temper tantrum over ice time. Numerous reports of being a shit teammate hard pass on this selfish prick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijjibo Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 7 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: He literally took a penalty and a fight in a temper tantrum over ice time. Numerous reports of being a shit teammate hard pass on this selfish prick. Pretty much all the reports of him being a locker roo.. Issue come from His time in SJ. Regardless, this isn't a trade Edmonton would consider so its a moot point 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moeknows Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 Hell NO !!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman955 Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 18 minutes ago, qwijjibo said: It's not a sophomore slump. Last year he had an unsustainable shooting percentage. He was at 27.5% By comparison Gretzky had a career average of just over 17%. This year Kuzmenko is at around 11% which is league average. He's probably capable of a bit more but there was never any chance of him repeating his 39 goal output from last season with the number of shots he takes. He'd have to more than double his shot output to get even close to what he did last season, and thats really not his game I respect your outlook. From what l have seen other teams are onto our profile players. Rick needs to address this with what he has. With the exception of Miller, who as a veteran knows how to slightly change up to allow for the best to achieve. Hence a learning curve for Kuz to educate on his experience. His talent is there, just adjust how he is covered by opposing teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 27 minutes ago, qwijjibo said: It's not a sophomore slump. Last year he had an unsustainable shooting percentage. He was at 27.5% By comparison Gretzky had a career average of just over 17%. This year Kuzmenko is at around 11% which is league average. He's probably capable of a bit more but there was never any chance of him repeating his 39 goal output from last season with the number of shots he takes. He'd have to more than double his shot output to get even close to what he did last season, and thats really not his game Yupppp, regression was inevitable given that sky high shooting percentage He should probably be scoring more than he has, but his shooting percentage was always going to dip sooner or later 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 10 minutes ago, qwijjibo said: Pretty much all the reports of him being a locker roo.. Issue come from His time in SJ. Regardless, this isn't a trade Edmonton would consider so its a moot point Winnipeg numerous issues too and just because their not reported doesn't mean they're not happening too. And putting yourself in the box on purpose to protest ice time is cancerous behavior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijjibo Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 Just now, canuck73_3 said: Winnipeg numerous issues too and just because their not reported doesn't mean they're not happening too. And putting yourself in the box on purpose to protest ice time is cancerous behavior. I didn't say hes a peach of a guy, only that the bulk of his publicized issues were previous to his tenure in Edmonton. To be fair you can point to a number of occasions where Miller didn't appear to be a great teammate either. Not every player is deserving of the Lady Byng Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 Just now, qwijjibo said: I didn't say hes a peach of a guy, only that the bulk of his publicized issues were previous to his tenure in Edmonton. To be fair you can point to a number of occasions where Miller didn't appear to be a great teammate either. Not every player is deserving of the Lady Byng Kane is objectively toxic at worst and a nuisance at best. Not a player I'd be interested in acquiring and nowhere near as effective as Miller too and it's not even close. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck You Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 I promise you, Kuz will be back with a vengeance..You can't keep a top dog down, Seen his interviews? He understands the task. Quote me later. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijjibo Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 21 minutes ago, Canuck You said: I promise you, Kuz will be back with a vengeance..You can't keep a top dog down, Seen his interviews? He understands the task. Quote me later. So you're telling me that he's a more talented goal scorer than Gretzky? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck You Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, qwijjibo said: So you're telling me that he's a more talented goal scorer than Gretzky? Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 40 minutes ago, Canuck You said: I promise you, Kuz will be back with a vengeance..You can't keep a top dog down, Seen his interviews? He understands the task. Quote me later. Only if he plays with EP or Miller line. He’s not going to do it on the 4th line. Maybe he could rack it up on the PP1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck You Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 3 minutes ago, BPA said: Only if he plays with EP or Miller line. He’s not going to do it on the 4th line. Maybe he could rack it up on the PP1. Yes. And to be perfectly honest man, I see his play ..This guy has all the skill but is lacking confidence at the moment. So many times he had a lane to shoot but passed of instead to make a 'perfect play'..He will get it together, All mind tricks for him right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 1 hour ago, canuck73_3 said: Kane is objectively toxic at worst and a nuisance at best. Not a player I'd be interested in acquiring and nowhere near as effective as Miller too and it's not even close. Shut the **** up. Why wouldn't you want a locker room cancer on this tight knit group we have now? What could go wrong! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakrami Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 30 minutes ago, BPA said: Only if he plays with EP or Miller line. He’s not going to do it on the 4th line. Maybe he could rack it up on the PP1. Lafferty is not staying on the 1st line forever lol.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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