Blue Posted December 24, 2023 Share Posted December 24, 2023 This is looking like the worst ever. I wonder what the worst ever as a percent of the cap actually is. And that is saying something in this league. So what would you do ? Let him play and hope for an injury ? It is only a matter of if, not when he gets bought out. Is there any way a Horton for Clarkson type deal could be made ? Or maybe a mega trade and buyout. A non cap team could trade for him and demand a ransom from Calgary to do it. Id play him for 2 more years and then buy him out 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted December 24, 2023 Share Posted December 24, 2023 Not sure there is a good solution. ‘Hope he develops a mysterious allergy to hockey equipment is about best they got. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballisticsports Posted December 24, 2023 Share Posted December 24, 2023 He must be playing for a retirement buyout plan and then hope to resign and start playing somewhere else (which is sleazy) Maybe when you are bought out on these deals you shouldn't be able to play again (We were paying Lou to take less in Florida working for a team competing against us, while being paid by us which is wrong imo) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Curmudgeon Posted December 24, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 24, 2023 If Calgary misses the playoffs, and it looks like they will, then it will be rebuild time. Tanev, Lindholm and Hanifin won't be there, either through trades or simple walkaway. Calgary has very little in the way of blue chip prospects, so they'll be looking for better prospects and draft picks. I don't think they could find a buyer for Huberdeau, so they'll either have to put up with him until it makes more sense to flush him and take the L. He will cost $10.5M per for the next seven years. Kadri reached his peak in the Stanley Cup year in Colorado and hasn't done much as a Flame. His first year total of 56 points was 31 fewer than his final year in Colorado and this year he's on pace for about 58 points. All this for $7M per for the next five years. As long as Huberdeau and Kadri are using up $17.5M of the cap, for disappointing returns from aging guys, Calgary isn't going anywhere. As for buyouts, check this out: https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/jonathan-huberdeau And this: https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/nazem-kadri Calgary is hooped. 1 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballisticsports Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, Curmudgeon said: If Calgary misses the playoffs, and it looks like they will, then it will be rebuild time. Tanev, Lindholm and Hanifin won't be there, either through trades or simple walkaway. Calgary has very little in the way of blue chip prospects, so they'll be looking for better prospects and draft picks. I don't think they could find a buyer for Huberdeau, so they'll either have to put up with him until it makes more sense to flush him and take the L. He will cost $10.5M per for the next seven years. Kadri reached his peak in the Stanley Cup year in Colorado and hasn't done much as a Flame. His first year total of 56 points was 31 fewer than his final year in Colorado and this year he's on pace for about 58 points. All this for $7M per for the next five years. As long as Huberdeau and Kadri are using up $17.5M of the cap, for disappointing returns from aging guys, Calgary isn't going anywhere. As for buyouts, check this out: https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/jonathan-huberdeau And this: https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/nazem-kadri Calgary is hooped. Yeah, do a rebuild and force those 2 to play through it They did the Flames no favours 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 (edited) That's an ugly buyout. 100x worse than the OEL buyout. There is literally almost zero cap relief for the entire 7 years remaining in his contract. His contract is basically buyout proof. I think they either have to play him out through a rebuild or hope he gets an early retirement to Robidas Island... 2024-25 $3,500,000 $10,500,000 $7,000,000 $904,762 $7,904,762 $2,595,238 $7,904,762 2025-26 $3,500,000 $10,500,000 $7,000,000 $904,762 $7,904,762 $2,595,238 $7,904,762 2026-27 $1,000,000 $10,500,000 $9,500,000 $904,762 $10,404,762 $95,238 $10,404,762 2027-28 $1,000,000 $10,500,000 $9,500,000 $904,762 $10,404,762 $95,238 $10,404,762 2028-29 $3,500,000 $10,500,000 $7,000,000 $904,762 $7,904,762 $2,595,238 $7,904,762 2029-30 $1,000,000 $10,500,000 $9,500,000 $904,762 $10,404,762 $95,238 $10,404,762 2030-31 $5,500,000 $10,500,000 $5,000,000 $904,762 $5,904,762 $4,595,238 $5,904,762 2031-32 $0 $0 $0 $904,762 $904,762 -$904,762 $904,762 2032-33 $0 $0 $0 $904,762 $904,762 -$904,762 $904,762 2033-34 $0 $0 $0 $904,762 $904,762 -$904,762 $904,762 2034-35 $0 $0 $0 $904,762 $904,762 -$904,762 $904,762 2035-36 $0 $0 $0 $904,762 $904,762 -$904,762 $904,762 2036-37 $0 $0 $0 $904,762 $904,762 -$904,762 $904,762 2037-38 $0 $0 $0 $904,762 $904,762 -$904,762 $904,762 TOTAL $19,000,000 $73,500,000 $54,500,000 $12,666,667 $67,166,667 $6,333,333 $67,166,668 Edited December 25, 2023 by Elias Pettersson 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Fist Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 (edited) 54 million in signing bonuses. he's a flame for life. even if they retain 30% gunna be hard to find a taker Edited December 25, 2023 by Iron Fist 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 They really need to sell everything around those 2 and see if some cap flexibility can shake something out for either of them. Rebuild time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kragar Posted December 25, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 25, 2023 For any of those out there slagging Myers on a regular basis... this just shows it could be far worse. 1 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggums Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 1 minute ago, DrJockitch said: They really need to sell everything around those 2 and see if some cap flexibility can shake something out for either of them. Rebuild time. It really will help them remain around the cap floor while they sell off everything if that's what they choose to do. What a disaster. It's fascinating though, like a car wreck you just can't look away. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Iron Man Posted December 25, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 25, 2023 (edited) Build a time machine to undo that trade or contract. Also found this beauty: Edited December 25, 2023 by Iron Man 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 It looked like a good move under the circumstances but that contract woof! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Posted December 25, 2023 Author Share Posted December 25, 2023 34 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: That's an ugly buyout. 100x worse than the OEL buyout. There is literally almost zero cap relief for the entire 7 years remaining in his contract. His contract is basically buyout proof. I think they either have to play him out through a rebuild or hope he gets an early retirement to Robidas Island... 2024-25 $ 2,595,238 $7,904,762 2029-30 $1,000,000 $10,500,000 $9,500,000 $904,762 $10,404,762 $95,238 $10,404,762 2030-31 $5,500,000 $10,500,000 $5,000,000 $904,762 $5,904,762 $4,595,238 $5,904,762 2031-32 $0 $0 $0 $904,762 $904,762 -$904,762 $904,762 2032-33 Imo this makes Brad Treliving a worse GM than Benning. This is the calibre of bad deals that worse GMs ever are made of. Not Louis Erricson level 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kragar Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 17 minutes ago, Blue said: Imo this makes Brad Treliving a worse GM than Benning. This is the calibre of bad deals that worse GMs ever are made of. Not Louis Erricson level Go Leafs, Go! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Posted December 25, 2023 Author Share Posted December 25, 2023 22 minutes ago, DrJockitch said: It looked like a good move under the circumstances but that contract woof! At the time i thought it was wrong bc they were getting older with the trade. And not getting younger. Tkachuk is 26. Big top line players also have a history of falling off. Medium to smaller guys don't fall off as hard as they age Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barn Burner Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 26 minutes ago, DrJockitch said: It looked like a good move under the circumstances but that contract woof! Right. Getting JH and Weegar, didn't seem so bad at the time, considering Tkapuke forced their hand. But WOW! What a bonehead signing. Sure, he came off a 115 point season, but still. Calgary was desperate, and now they're really gonna pay for it. Signing Kadri is a joke. I had a heated debate with someone in a pub about him being a piece of spunk. The other guy thought he was a superstar??? Yeah, right. Anyway, screw the Flamers! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 2 hours ago, DrJockitch said: Not sure there is a good solution. ‘Hope he develops a mysterious allergy to hockey equipment is about best they got. The Flames aren't one of the NHL's favoured franchises so, unfortunately, probably won't be an option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Posted December 25, 2023 Author Share Posted December 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Curmudgeon said: If Calgary he cap, for disappointing returns from aging guys, Calgary isn't going anywhere. As for buyouts, check this out: https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/jonathan-huberdeau And this: https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/nazem-kadri Calgary is hooped. It's basically a buyout proof contract. You'd think that Treliving would have pumped the brakes on the buyout proofing during negotiations. But nope, he was too clueless for that. Any 30+ or max contract should be as buyout friendly as possible. What is the point of buyout proofing anyway ? Taxes ? Bc it prevents players from double dipping. He's going to live the rest of his career in abject shame. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammertime Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 Hubes. Shoulda taken a trim on his last contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drive-By Body Pierce Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 HuberD'oh! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballisticsports Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 1 hour ago, DrJockitch said: It looked like a good move under the circumstances but that contract woof! Calgary would have been better off even getting next to nothing in return and having that cap space from Tak leaving than taking Hub in trade Signing Kadri and him on retirement contracts just crippled the team I hated when Canucks would sign those retirement UFA'S looking for highest bidder 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnarcore Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 Huberdeau? HuberNO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tusk Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 If calgary retained %50 I would love him and pet him every day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnarcore Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 6 minutes ago, Ballisticsports said: Calgary would have been better off even getting next to nothing in return and having that cap space from Tak leaving than taking Hub in trade Signing Kadri and him on retirement contracts just crippled the team I hated when Canucks would sign those retirement UFA'S looking for highest bidder 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Posted December 25, 2023 Author Share Posted December 25, 2023 52 minutes ago, Ballisticsports said: Calgary would have been better off even getting next to nothing in return and having that cap space from Tak leaving than taking Hub in trade Signing Kadri and him on retirement contracts just crippled the team I hated when Canucks would sign those retirement UFA'S looking for highest bidder Good point. They could have taken a first and 2nd of the next 2 years from FLA at least. And just kept their options open with cap space. But again, the most indefensible thing of the whole trade and contract was the buyout proofing. Erasing the last and only line of defense you have. Amazing how stupid that man is. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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