PeteyBOI Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 MTL gives Monahan to Vancouver, preferably with 50% retained.... Canucks trade Andrei Kuzmenko and a 3rd round pick or a second if they need immediate help,( 2nd comes with retention on Monahan) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 1 hour ago, MidKnight Ego said: MTL gives Monahan to Vancouver, preferably with 50% retained.... Canucks trade Andrei Kuzmenko and a 3rd round pick or a second if they need immediate help,( 2nd comes with retention on Monahan) Kuz Missile is by far the better top six player. Allvin has no interest in Monnohands. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 1 hour ago, MidKnight Ego said: MTL gives Monahan to Vancouver, preferably with 50% retained.... Canucks trade Andrei Kuzmenko and a 3rd round pick or a second if they need immediate help,( 2nd comes with retention on Monahan) Kuzmenko and a 3rd round pick is basically a cap dump at this point. That's what it'll cost to unload him for free. He is barely playing, man. He is losing his spot to guys like Linus Karlsson. Explain to me why MTL agrees to this. They can such a better haul from any other team. Monahan is cheaper, more productive, and plays centre, and doesn't get scratched. All you're offering is a 3rd round pick and someone getting paid $5M to ride the pine half the year. You can do way better than that.l Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijjibo Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 The funniest part of this is that you want Montreal to swap a $2m player for a $5m player AND retain. I don't sew the appeal here for Montreal. They're a rebuilding team. Trading Monahan for a 28 year old press box player and a pick helps them how? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RawkDrummer Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 We lose on that trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammertime Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 (edited) 2 hours ago, Miss Korea said: Kuzmenko and a 3rd round pick is basically a cap dump at this point. That's what it'll cost to unload him for free. He is barely playing, man. He is losing his spot to guys like Linus Karlsson. Explain to me why MTL agrees to this. They can such a better haul from any other team. Monahan is cheaper, more productive, and plays centre, and doesn't get scratched. All you're offering is a 3rd round pick and someone getting paid $5M to ride the pine half the year. You can do way better than that.l This will change in an instant. Kuzmenko is in the dog house. He's still the guy who put up 39 last year. it's not like he forgot how to do that part of the game. the team is working w him to improve in other areas. For gawd sakes Brock played like trash for 3 years and never ran out of leash. He was horrible defensvely and dragged down every line he was on. Kuzz will get back to his scoring ways he just needs to play ball. The biggest boon for our club would be if we could get Mikheyev to grow a pair and start hitting and forechecking and battling like a 6'3 pwf. Or ditch him and get someone who will. If Kuzmenko plays Toccy Hockey and we get him a winger who grinds pucks deep and has enough hands to put it on Kuzzi's tape he will get back to scoring 30+ Edited January 13 by Hammertime 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijjibo Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 24 minutes ago, Hammertime said: This will change in an instant. Kuzmenko is in the dog house. He's still the guy who put up 39 last year. it's not like he forgot how to do that part of the game. the team is working w him to improve in other areas. For gawd sakes Brock played like trash for 3 years and never ran out of leash. He was horrible defensvely and dragged down every line he was on. Kuzz will get back to his scoring ways he just needs to play ball. The biggest boon for our club would be if we could get Mikheyev to grow a pair and start hitting and forechecking and battling like a 6'3 pwf. Or ditch him and get someone who will. If Kuzmenko plays Toccy Hockey and we get him a winger who grinds pucks deep and has enough hands to put it on Kuzzi's tape he will get back to scoring 30+ He put up 39 shooting at an completely unsustainable shooting percentage of 27.3. Even this year he's shooting 14.5%. (Which is quite good). With that he's got 8 goals (which is under a 20 goal pace for an 82 game season, which he won't play). The bottom line is last year was an outlier. He's not likely to replicate it ever again. He's a 20-25 goal guy WITH Pettersson. Without Pettersson he's not even that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Hronek Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 4 hours ago, MidKnight Ego said: MTL gives Monahan to Vancouver, preferably with 50% retained.... Canucks trade Andrei Kuzmenko and a 3rd round pick or a second if they need immediate help,( 2nd comes with retention on Monahan) 1. What would the new resulting line combinations with Monahan be? 2. Would you expect the presence of Monahan on a newly created second line to be a significant of secondary scoring? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 26 minutes ago, qwijjibo said: He put up 39 shooting at an completely unsustainable shooting percentage of 27.3. Even this year he's shooting 14.5%. (Which is quite good). With that he's got 8 goals (which is under a 20 goal pace for an 82 game season, which he won't play). The bottom line is last year was an outlier. He's not likely to replicate it ever again. He's a 20-25 goal guy WITH Pettersson. Without Pettersson he's not even that. TBH, I think he's somewhere in between. He's not as bad as this year, and he's not as good as last year. That's why he's being paid $5.5M and not $7M+. He's probably a 25 goal man and about 50 points. He's having a rough year, and with his benchings and scratches, he hasn't had a chance to play himself out of this funk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 53 minutes ago, Hammertime said: This will change in an instant. Kuzmenko is in the dog house. He's still the guy who put up 39 last year. it's not like he forgot how to do that part of the game. the team is working w him to improve in other areas. For gawd sakes Brock played like trash for 3 years and never ran out of leash. He was horrible defensvely and dragged down every line he was on. Kuzz will get back to his scoring ways he just needs to play ball. The biggest boon for our club would be if we could get Mikheyev to grow a pair and start hitting and forechecking and battling like a 6'3 pwf. Or ditch him and get someone who will. If Kuzmenko plays Toccy Hockey and we get him a winger who grinds pucks deep and has enough hands to put it on Kuzzi's tape he will get back to scoring 30+ Kuzmenko has never played Tocchet hockey. The bulk of his scoring came under Bruce. He was re-signed before Tocchet had a real chance to assess him. Tell me - how is this guy gonna heat up? By sitting in the press box? Or by skating with Suter and Mikheyev? Kuzmenko is never going to figure it out with coach Tocchet in charge. It is what it is. If we trade him, we have no choice but to sell him low. He will likely perform well somewhere else under a different system. In any case, Rutherford/Allvin aren't looking for a grinding winger. They need someone who can take faceoffs and generate his own offense on the 2nd line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammertime Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 (edited) 43 minutes ago, qwijjibo said: He put up 39 shooting at an completely unsustainable shooting percentage of 27.3. Even this year he's shooting 14.5%. (Which is quite good). With that he's got 8 goals (which is under a 20 goal pace for an 82 game season, which he won't play). The bottom line is last year was an outlier. He's not likely to replicate it ever again. He's a 20-25 goal guy WITH Pettersson. Without Pettersson he's not even that. Through his 1st 15 games of the season he put up 13 points sooooo like a 71 point pace right in line with last year. He's been shit housed by the coach. And this is the result you see. This adversity is important for his growth as a player. Don't get too low Quijjibo. Kuzmenko will return from this period of adversity a better player. Edited January 13 by Hammertime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammertime Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Miss Korea said: Kuzmenko has never played Tocchet hockey. The bulk of his scoring came under Bruce. He was re-signed before Tocchet had a real chance to assess him. Tell me - how is this guy gonna heat up? By sitting in the press box? Or by skating with Suter and Mikheyev? Kuzmenko is never going to figure it out with coach Tocchet in charge. It is what it is. If we trade him, we have no choice but to sell him low. He will likely perform well somewhere else under a different system. In any case, Rutherford/Allvin aren't looking for a grinding winger. They need someone who can take faceoffs and generate his own offense on the 2nd line. We'll see. 2C is too expensive. Our problem is that 2/3 our top 6 are funko pops. Edited January 13 by Hammertime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 3 minutes ago, Hammertime said: We'll see. You're not giving me any optimism here. I simply can't envision a scenario where coach Tocchet gives Kuzmenko a proper chance to succeed. It is more of a criticism against Tocchet than it is against Kuzy. Most importantly, if you're trying to trade him it really doesn't give him much time to figure things out. If he DOES figure it out, we obviously shouldn't trade him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 add Savard with Monahan and we would be done for tdl acquisitions other than a gritty bottom 6 forward. Would like us to get Crouse from Arizona and put #40 back at center, if he wants 12m or likely asking for near Matthews $$$$ he better be a C who can be relied on to WIN faceoffs otherwise he is a 12m player max until he can prove he can improve at faceoffs. It is pretty clear it is an area of concern when he gets moved to the wing when they load the lotto line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammertime Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 1 minute ago, Miss Korea said: You're not giving me any optimism here. I simply can't envision a scenario where coach Tocchet gives Kuzmenko a proper chance to succeed. It is more of a criticism against Tocchet than it is against Kuzy. Most importantly, if you're trying to trade him it really doesn't give him much time to figure things out. If he DOES figure it out, we obviously shouldn't trade him. I was practically screaming on this forum to trade him last year at the DL for all the reasons we are seeing come to light this year. It seemed crazy to me not to sell high. But since we didn't and signed him for 2 years. I see a classic case of breaking the guy down to build him back up scenario going on here. This attitude that Tocc will never let him play is false. Kuz needs to work on some fundamentals he didn't forget how to score he put up 88 points through his 1st 100 games. He wouldn't improve in the areas needed if he never experienced adversity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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