Ghostsof1915 Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 Buffalo needs help, they are struggling and have cap space. They don't want to wait to get better. So here's my crazy proposal, that maybe is not so crazy. Mik & Woo For Anton Wahlberg ( Left Handed Centre, 6'3" 192 lbs, Playing in SHL, Age 18) and a 2nd round pick in 2024. Buffalo gets some two way help on forward, and has some upside. They also get a RHD, which is also a cost controlled RFA which will be good when Owen Power's contract kicks in. Vancouver gets a 2nd rounder so the team can draft a forward or a defenceman, that we can afford to wait on the results. In addition we get a centre with size, that we don't have to worry about rushing his development and would be ready around the same time Willander and Mynio will make the jump. Jumps into the bunker and awaits the fallout. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 (edited) Buffalo has 2 young Swedish centres I like. Wahlberg and Ostlund. Ostlund is a 2C and Wahlberg is a 3C I think in the NHL. If we re-sign Lindholm then Wahlberg could be an ideal 3C for us. I would definitely have him on my radar for a trade target in the summer. Edited February 5 by Elias Pettersson 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 2 hours ago, Ghostsof1915 said: Buffalo needs help, they are struggling and have cap space. They don't want to wait to get better. So here's my crazy proposal, that maybe is not so crazy. Mik & Woo For Anton Wahlberg ( Left Handed Centre, 6'3" 192 lbs, Playing in SHL, Age 18) and a 2nd round pick in 2024. Buffalo gets some two way help on forward, and has some upside. They also get a RHD, which is also a cost controlled RFA which will be good when Owen Power's contract kicks in. Vancouver gets a 2nd rounder so the team can draft a forward or a defenceman, that we can afford to wait on the results. In addition we get a centre with size, that we don't have to worry about rushing his development and would be ready around the same time Willander and Mynio will make the jump. Jumps into the bunker and awaits the fallout. Your intention is to flip the pick, right? No!? You're gonna trade away one of our best two-way forwards for the draft picks?? We just gave up a big package for a potential rental in Elias Lindholm, so why are you suddenly trying to shed cap space for nothing here? We're all-in this year - you can't just trade pieces away. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Hronek Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 1. 2024 Trade Deadline: Make a strong pitch involving Myers + Top prospect to bring in another Filip Hronek calibre defenseman. 2. Conclusion of 2023-2024 season: Sign Elias Lindholm to a long term deal. 3. NHL 2024 draft: Trade Elias Pettersson to Columbus for Kent Johnson, David Jiriceck, 2024 1st round pick, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 Agreed. Buffalo needs help!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 22 minutes ago, Jeremy Hronek said: 1. 2024 Trade Deadline: Make a strong pitch involving Myers + Top prospect to bring in another Filip Hronek calibre defenseman. 2. Conclusion of 2023-2024 season: Sign Elias Lindholm to a long term deal. 3. NHL 2024 draft: Trade Elias Pettersson to Columbus for Kent Johnson, David Jiriceck, 2024 1st round pick, etc. 1) history shows us team that makes big move and multiple big move at the TDL fails epicly in the playoff.. 2) signing another guy that turns 30 at end of the year whos already showing sign at decline offensively is going to anchor this team really just limit this teams window to 1 o 2 years.. sry i don't see this team competing with your top 2 centers at 32-33 3) unless columbus is planning on giving ep 15million a season there's no way in hell he's re-signing.. and if he's serious about winning.. he can just go to columbus for free the year after while saving columbus all those asset for them to compete... there's almost no scenario you'll see EP agreeing to a sign and trade unless you plan on lying to the player sign him and then right away trade him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 1 hour ago, wai_lai416 said: 1) history shows us team that makes big move and multiple big move at the TDL fails epicly in the playoff.. True, I actually did a quick review of the TDL trades for Stanley Cup champs. At most there's usually 1 big move and then 1 or 2 moves to bolster the lineup. I think the Canucks are at that point now... maybe a middle 6F at most, and then a depth D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 Anything like this is far more likely an off season move than an in season one given where we are in the standings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 32 minutes ago, HKSR said: True, I actually did a quick review of the TDL trades for Stanley Cup champs. At most there's usually 1 big move and then 1 or 2 moves to bolster the lineup. I think the Canucks are at that point now... maybe a middle 6F at most, and then a depth D. There’s only 2 trades that involved a 1st round pick for a rental in the last 10+ years that ended up winning a cup. Year Cup Winner Notable Mid-season/Deadline Moves 05-06 Carolina Recchi, Weight 06-07 Anaheim May 07-08 Detroit Stuart 08-09 Pittsburgh Kunitz, Guerin 09-10 Chicago Johnsson (Didn't play in the playoffs) 10-11 Boston Kaberle, Kelly, Peverley 11-12 L.A. Carter 12-13 Chicago Handzus 13-14 L.A. Gaborik 14-15 Chicago Vermette, Desjardins 15-16 Pittsburgh Daley, Hagelin, Schultz, Lovejoy 16-17 Pittsburgh Hainsey 17-18 Washington Kempny 18-19 St. Louis - 19-20 Tampa Bogosion, Goodrow, Coleman 20-21 Tampa Savard 21-22 Colorado Manson, Lehkonen 22-23 Vegas Barbeshev, Blueger, Quick this was taken from another forum the bolded involved a 1st rounder for a rental. Literally not many teams you see make a big top 6 or top 4d ends up winning a cup. You either already have a cup capable core and adding depth to make it deep able to withstand injury or you don’t. Making big changes to the top 6 and top 4 usually don’t work and only ends up wasting trade assets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 4 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said: There’s only 2 trades that involved a 1st round pick for a rental in the last 10+ years that ended up winning a cup. Year Cup Winner Notable Mid-season/Deadline Moves 05-06 Carolina Recchi, Weight 06-07 Anaheim May 07-08 Detroit Stuart 08-09 Pittsburgh Kunitz, Guerin 09-10 Chicago Johnsson (Didn't play in the playoffs) 10-11 Boston Kaberle, Kelly, Peverley 11-12 L.A. Carter 12-13 Chicago Handzus 13-14 L.A. Gaborik 14-15 Chicago Vermette, Desjardins 15-16 Pittsburgh Daley, Hagelin, Schultz, Lovejoy 16-17 Pittsburgh Hainsey 17-18 Washington Kempny 18-19 St. Louis - 19-20 Tampa Bogosion, Goodrow, Coleman 20-21 Tampa Savard 21-22 Colorado Manson, Lehkonen 22-23 Vegas Barbeshev, Blueger, Quick this was taken from another forum the bolded involved a 1st rounder for a rental. Literally not many teams you see make a big top 6 or top 4d ends up winning a cup. You either already have a cup capable core and adding depth to make it deep able to withstand injury or you don’t. Making big changes to the top 6 and top 4 usually don’t work and only ends up wasting trade assets Only problem I have with that analysis is that it pigeon holes moves based on whether a 1st is involved or not, rather than looking at the acquisition itself. Manson is a top 4D, but because they got him for Helleson and a 2nd, doesn't change the fact the Avs still added a top 4 D. Even with Gaborik, a top 3 F... he wasn't acquired with the cost of a 1st, but he's clearly a very major acquisition that helped put LAK over the top. I think that analysis is just looking at it from the wrong perspective. It should be looking at the players acquired, not the cost to acquire them to determine the impact on the eventual cup winner. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 (edited) 6 minutes ago, HKSR said: Only problem I have with that analysis is that it pigeon holes moves based on whether a 1st is involved or not, rather than looking at the acquisition itself. Manson is a top 4D, but because they got him for Helleson and a 2nd, doesn't change the fact the Avs still added a top 4 D. Even with Gaborik, a top 3 F... he wasn't acquired with the cost of a 1st, but he's clearly a very major acquisition that helped put LAK over the top. I think that analysis is just looking at it from the wrong perspective. It should be looking at the players acquired, not the cost to acquire them to determine the impact on the eventual cup winner. Sure but again big moves happens every year at the TDL but it’s very rare a move that involves your top 6 or top 4 end up working whether it involves a 1st or not based on the list in the last 10 years only 2 teams gaborik and Manson ended up working and those 2 weren’t rentals either.. and gaborik I dunno if he’s even considered a top 6 Edited February 5 by wai_lai416 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 19 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said: Sure but again big moves happens every year at the TDL but it’s very rare a move that involves your top 6 or top 4 end up working whether it involves a 1st or not based on the list in the last 10 years only 2 teams gaborik and Manson ended up working and those 2 weren’t rentals either.. and gaborik I dunno if he’s even considered a top 6 What are you talking about? Gaborik was a rental and he was a bonafide top 6, arguably top line forward. Manson was also a rental. Just because they re-signed with their new club doesn't make them not a rental at the time of acquisition. Vermette and Savard were rentals too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maniwaki Canuck Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 10 hours ago, Ghostsof1915 said: Buffalo needs help, they are struggling and have cap space. They don't want to wait to get better. So here's my crazy proposal, that maybe is not so crazy. Mik & Woo For Anton Wahlberg ( Left Handed Centre, 6'3" 192 lbs, Playing in SHL, Age 18) and a 2nd round pick in 2024. Buffalo gets some two way help on forward, and has some upside. They also get a RHD, which is also a cost controlled RFA which will be good when Owen Power's contract kicks in. Vancouver gets a 2nd rounder so the team can draft a forward or a defenceman, that we can afford to wait on the results. In addition we get a centre with size, that we don't have to worry about rushing his development and would be ready around the same time Willander and Mynio will make the jump. Jumps into the bunker and awaits the fallout. I'd do this. It would free up much-needed cap and give an opening to Hoglander on the second line that Bains or Podkolzin could backfill further down. But even if Buffalo would accept it probably won't happen because (1) management seems to have a higher evaluation of Mik than some of us do and (2) Mik has a limited no-trade clause that could well include Buffalo. I don't mind Mik as a player and acknowledge he's probably still not fully recovered and could reach a higher level but the team has gotten so much better defensively that we no longer need him as much as when we signed him 2 years ago. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobigneil Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 (edited) 1 hour ago, wai_lai416 said: There’s only 2 trades that involved a 1st round pick for a rental in the last 10+ years that ended up winning a cup. Year Cup Winner Notable Mid-season/Deadline Moves 05-06 Carolina Recchi, Weight 06-07 Anaheim May 07-08 Detroit Stuart 08-09 Pittsburgh Kunitz, Guerin 09-10 Chicago Johnsson (Didn't play in the playoffs) 10-11 Boston Kaberle, Kelly, Peverley 11-12 L.A. Carter 12-13 Chicago Handzus 13-14 L.A. Gaborik 14-15 Chicago Vermette, Desjardins 15-16 Pittsburgh Daley, Hagelin, Schultz, Lovejoy 16-17 Pittsburgh Hainsey 17-18 Washington Kempny 18-19 St. Louis - 19-20 Tampa Bogosion, Goodrow, Coleman 20-21 Tampa Savard 21-22 Colorado Manson, Lehkonen 22-23 Vegas Barbeshev, Blueger, Quick this was taken from another forum the bolded involved a 1st rounder for a rental. Literally not many teams you see make a big top 6 or top 4d ends up winning a cup. You either already have a cup capable core and adding depth to make it deep able to withstand injury or you don’t. Making big changes to the top 6 and top 4 usually don’t work and only ends up wasting trade assets I think Tampa Bay traded 2 1st round picks in 2020 for Goodrow and Coleman as well, unless you mean pure rental because those guys had 1 year remaining Edited February 5 by nobigneil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boziffous Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 5 minutes ago, nobigneil said: I think Tampa Bay traded 2 1st round picks in 2020 for Goodrow and Coleman as well You're correct The Tampa Bay Lightning acquired forward Barclay Goodrow and a third-round draft pick in 2020 from the San Jose Sharks for a first-round draft pick in 2020 and winger Anthony Greco. The Tampa Bay Lightning acquired forward Blake Coleman from the New Jersey Devils for winger Nolan Foote and a conditional first-round draft pick in 2020. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bh90 Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 3 hours ago, HKSR said: Only problem I have with that analysis is that it pigeon holes moves based on whether a 1st is involved or not, rather than looking at the acquisition itself. Manson is a top 4D, but because they got him for Helleson and a 2nd, doesn't change the fact the Avs still added a top 4 D. Even with Gaborik, a top 3 F... he wasn't acquired with the cost of a 1st, but he's clearly a very major acquisition that helped put LAK over the top. I think that analysis is just looking at it from the wrong perspective. It should be looking at the players acquired, not the cost to acquire them to determine the impact on the eventual cup winner. This is a great post If that analysis shows me anything is that 90% of the cup winning teams in past 20 years made major additions to their line up and added key contributors mid-season The exception being the Blues and Anaheim with Brad May This absoloutely tells me that to win the cup you need to add something valuable gto your team. Standing pat rarely works out .. e.g. Carolina.. and the Blues are the exception 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 4 hours ago, nobigneil said: I think Tampa Bay traded 2 1st round picks in 2020 for Goodrow and Coleman as well, unless you mean pure rental because those guys had 1 year remaining Rentals and significant top 6 maybe Coleman but hard to tell since he was injured most of the regular season after the trade or something and he didn’t even play in the top 6 in Tampa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobigneil Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 23 hours ago, wai_lai416 said: Rentals and significant top 6 maybe Coleman but hard to tell since he was injured most of the regular season after the trade or something and he didn’t even play in the top 6 in Tampa Ahh ok I missed the top 6 part and was more focused on the 1st round price for buying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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