What's wrong with Petey?

[JeremyCuddles]

Not really interested in debating Petey's health, feels like the only ones reaching for it are Petey defenders. But Tocchet mentioned that Petey is looking better in practice. Making quicker decisions. The only thing effecting Petey, is Petey's mindset. Also he's a shrimp but that can't be helped anymore. Once he starts getting his confidence back and making plays instead of constantly deferring or waiting too long to shoot. He'll start being a threat again. This is his first real playoff test. The empty arena during the bubble isn't the same thing as a rocking crowd.

[-Buzzsaw-]

There is no coach in the league who puts the previous season's 100 point center on a line with 3rd and 4th liners.

 

Except Tocchet.

 

Tocchet doesn't make Miller play with Lafferty and Di Giuseppe.. why is he making Pettersson play with Mikheyev and Hoglander?

 

Failure in Coaching... or setting up Pettersson to fail.

[Audio Dave]

Tocchet. That's what's wrong with Petey, Mikheyev and why we traded Kuzmenko.

[wai_lai416]

tbh i think it's more management issue than anything.. in almost every season.. EP does best when there's a secondary playmaker on the line.. whether it's miller kuzmenko or whomever that have the offensive IQ and able to have the capability of setting up.. the current team.. outside of miller.. is there another player on this team that you can put on EP's line and say he have remotely any capability to be a playmaker?? prolly no.. other team knows they just have to shutdown EP and the line is pretty dead.. watch how fast they close up and double team him whenever he gets the puck.. do u see miller gets doubled team as much or as fast as EP? i don't.. coz they can't afford to double team miller and leave boeser wide open. i don't think nashville is worried a tad bit about mikheyev or hoglander left alone. you guys can say what about the players on the PP.. i dunno they are all left handed.. majority of the play is going thru the left side and EP is playing on his off side. the one time shot isn't open coz we have 0 movement on the powerplay and it's a super slow powerplay.. we have one of the slowest looking powerplay in the league. the powerplay worked better with kuzmenko because kuzmenko actually slides asround on the left corner giving EP the pass option.. i don't see that with lindholm or boeser as they just go in front of the net and don't move.

[Dizzle]

2 hours ago, -Buzzsaw- said:

There is no coach in the league who puts the previous season's 100 point center on a line with 3rd and 4th liners.

 

Except Tocchet.

 

Tocchet doesn't make Miller play with Lafferty and Di Giuseppe.. why is he making Pettersson play with Mikheyev and Hoglander?

 

Failure in Coaching... or setting up Pettersson to fail.

To be fair... Petey should be making his line mates better. He's that kind of player. Hogs is also probably at the very least borderline a top six winger at this point. 

[Bob Long]

14 minutes ago, Dizzle said:

To be fair... Petey should be making his line mates better.

 

Who says he isn't?

 

14 minutes ago, Dizzle said:

 

He's that kind of player. Hogs is also probably at the very least borderline a top six winger at this point. 

 

Regular season maybe but this is his first playoff run 

[-Buzzsaw-]

6 minutes ago, Dizzle said:

To be fair... Petey should be making his line mates better. He's that kind of player. Hogs is also probably at the very least borderline a top six winger at this point. 

No, Pettersson is not a Superstar like McDavid... who can make plays completely on his own.  Petey is a player like Mitch Marner... who needs a Matthews to shine.

 

Every successful top six line in the league has at least two high level players who can both shoot and make plays.

 

For the Leafs, I mentioned Matthews and Marner... they also have Tavares and Nylander on their second line.... this makes them a double threat and is the reason why they are one of the highest scoring teams in the league.

 

It goes the same with every team in the NHL.  You have to load up your top lines.

 

Pettersson had an elite offensive player in Kuzmenko on his line at the start of the season, but Kuz was yanked.  When Kuzmenko was traded, Lindholm should have gone on Pettersson's line and stayed there.

 

But Tocchet is more concerned with checking and defense, and so he put Lindholm on the third line... but when you spread out your talent too thin, then you end up with nothing.... which is what you see with the Canucks in the playoffs with the closer checking and attention to detail.

 

Its not just Pettersson who is underperforming in the playoffs.

 

If you are going to put a third liner like Hoglander as one of the wingers with Pettersson, then the third player should also be a high level third liner who can make plays... like Garland... not a 4th liner with hands of stone like Mikheyev.  Hoglander can score, but he is not a passer or playmaker.  Give Hoglander the puck  and he'll shoot or drive to the net... he rarely sets up one of his linemates.

[Dizzle]

2 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

 

Who says he isn't?

 

 

Regular season maybe but this is his first playoff run 

 

Both valid points. On the second one, I was hoping more of our guys would have, 'ignorant to playoff pressure first time around' reality rather than the, 'pressure is a lot the first time' approach lol

[-Buzzsaw-]

Tocchet is deflecting and pointing at Pettersson as the problem.

 

And Petey is a decent person and more than willing to go along with his coach's demand he '...move his feet.'

 

But the fact is, you can't attribute the poor play of the team to one single player.

 

By Tocchet's word, the whole team isn't '...moving its feet."

 

And the whole phrase is a cliche... and the fact anyone who is knowledgeable knows a puck moves faster than any skater... and what is really needed is some crisp passing to move the puck.  But you don't get that unless you have players who can pass and receive passes.

 

The best passers on the team are Pettersson, Miller, Boeser, Hughes and Lindholm.  Hughes is being run so constantly he can't get off decent passes.  Miller and Boeser can occasionally put together some decent plays, but are usually let down by Suter.  Pettersson has no one to pass with on his line... occasionally he sets up Mikheyev, but he always flubs it... Hoglander has been invisible most of the series although he was better last game.  Garland and Lindholm are doing decently, but not 1st line level.  Blueger and his line can generate some flurries in the opposition end, but Blueger is a third liner working with 4th liners.

 

So the whole team is being frustrated by the fact there is not enough concentrated talent on any single line.

 

If Tocchet was really open to improvements, he'd either put the Lotto line back together with Lindholm/Garland/Joshua as the 2nd line, or he'd load up Miller's line with the addition of Lindholm and add Pettersson to Garland and Joshua line.

 

Not spread out the talent so no single line has the skill to overcome the Nashville check.

 

Its comes down to the coaching more than a single player.  Pointing the finger at Pettersson is bullshit.

[hockeyville88]

Really interesting to hear Trevor Linden publicly voice his opinion about Petey. Typically, he is not a guy who has criticized the Canucks as a team or individual players in the past.

 

“For them to have any sort of chance, he’s gotta be their best player or one of them. You’re going to go through times where you’re not feeling it, not seeing it, but Elias just isn’t in the fight. Let’s be honest here; playoff hockey is a war. You see how some of these [players] approach it as an all-out battle. It’s not just about making plays but competing,” Linden responded. “For me, when I watch Elias, he’s gotta get in the fight. They will not win this series if they don’t have him as one of their best players.”

 

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