Popular Post RWJC Posted October 19, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 19, 2023 Rick Tocchet's proactive roasting of the Canucks might be a coaching masterstroke Tocchet let the Canucks have it after their first loss of the year despite winning two games against the Edmonton Oilers out of the gate. Vancouver Canucks head coach Rick Tocchet has his team out to a 2-1-0 start with a plus-6 goal differential — but you wouldn't know it based on the way he reacted to the club's first loss on Tuesday. Speaking to assembled media after a2-0 defeat at the hands of the Philadelphia Flyers, the 59-year-old went off. His harsh comments about his players included, but were not limited to: "We were off in every single system part of it. And then the compete wasn't there. They competed, we didn't. That's the bottom line. I really don't have anything to say — no compete." "We weren’t smart everywhere." "Who are we to think we’re anybody?" "I don't like to use the word soft, but I didn't see guys competing at all." "Obviously, we've got to go to the drawing board with some guys here. They gotta pick it up, boy." His actions during the game reinforced the idea that he was extremely displeased with his team as he severely limited the ice time of key players like Andrei Kuzmenko, Anthony Beauvillier, Phil Di Giuseppe, and Tyler Myers — even though the game was within reach. It's easy to take those words and coaching decisions and paint the picture of an impatient bench boss overreacting to a single dud. Looking a little closer, it seems Tocchet's anger is not only reasonable, but cleverly proactive. While it's extremely difficult to measure the quality of a coach's motivation tactics, it seems likely that Tocchet is on to something. The best reason for optimism about the Canucks' start to the season is their two wins against an Edmonton Oilers team many projected to be a Stanley Cup favorite. A look under the hood suggests those victories were driven by Edmonton's awful goaltendingmore than what Vancouver did right. In those contests, the Canucks were outshot 42-32 and out-attempted 98-55 at 5-on-5. They managed an expected goal share of just 38.80% and produced a single 5-on-5 high-danger chance across the two games while conceding seven. While the team's power play had some strong moments — and its goalies were nails — it hardly handled the Oilers. More than anything, luck was on Vancouver's side, a phenomenon best encapsulated by Brock Boeser's third goal of the season opener. Coaches tend to be process-oriented by nature, and Tocchet undoubtedly noticed his team wasn't playing as well as their results suggested heading into Tuesday's matchup with the Flyers. When the Canucks didn't show up against an opponent that was far from intimidating, he had reason to worry. After three games, Vancouver ranks 30th in the NHL in 5-on-5 shot share (40.16%) and 31st in expected goal share (36.60%). The team won't continue to convert on a third of its power plays, score on 16.4% of its shots or enjoy a .945 save percentage from its goaltending duo of Thatcher Demko and Casey DeSmith. If the Canucks are going to make some noise in 2023-24, they need to play better across the board. It would've been easy for Tocchet to brush off a loss to the Flyers and not drop the hammer until his team's record was a disappointment. The coach opted to get out in front of the club's problems instead. Whether that will lead to better outcomes for the Canucks remains to be seen, but at the very least it's clear that Tocchet is holding this group to a high standard and not letting poor play fly under the radar. Nick Ashbourne https://apple.news/A-NmdN0h3QG6lPQI8AvM-ag 3 3 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosehead Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 Canucks could very easily lost both the last 2 games. Time for a wake-up call. Losing is one thing but lack of effort is not acceptable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jess Posted October 19, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 19, 2023 Just a heads up, we had a rule on CDC that we're looking to continue--instead of posting the entire article here on CFF, paste an excerpt for us and then link to the main article. That way we can support the writers through their sites' traffic, but still get a taste of what the article is about. 5 1 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNucks1 Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 shoulda fought torts in the hall way. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted October 19, 2023 Author Share Posted October 19, 2023 (edited) 44 minutes ago, -AJ- said: Just a heads up, we had a rule on CDC that we're looking to continue--instead of posting the entire article here on CFF, paste an excerpt for us and then link to the main article. That way we can support the writers through their sites' traffic, but still get a taste of what the article is about. No prob, apologies wasn’t aware. Any rules concerning X/IG posts as well or are those not a concern due to type of media platform? Edited October 19, 2023 by RWJC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jess Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 11 minutes ago, RWJC said: No prob, apologies wasn’t aware. Any rules concerning X/IG posts as well or are those not a concern due to type of media platform? No problem, I figured it wasn't super obvious and we haven't been enforcing it, but I figure we may as well get it going now. No issues with X/Twitter/IG as far as I'm aware. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 Okay now is the time for our leadership to step up. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal_thecup Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 Rick Tocchet is now having the same multitude of "WTF?" moments the last half-dozen Canucks' coaches have had. I'm still pulling for Rickie Tickie Taffy to right the good ship Lollipop because he's the toughest coach we've had since AV. RT is tough, and JR and PA seem to be stiffening the roster (although there is still a lot of work to do there). I am desperate for a Canucks team that stands up for all that is good and glorious in the game, and beats the shit out of anybody who fucks with that. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimito Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 (edited) Starts at 9:00 Mark Edited October 19, 2023 by Jaimito 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 So much is being looked into the coaching staff this year and rightly so, we've had so many coaches and assistants come and go over the last few years. Tocc has said all the right things over the last 6 months, got them playing the right way etc but at the end of the day, Rick and the defensive coaches are all fairly inexperienced and don't have great track records. I don't care about all the media talk, Rick is used to that and plays the Vancouver media very well, but the on-ice product and really our record is all that matters. He was a .500 coach with a bad Arizona team. He's got a pretty decent record with us so far. We're still 2-1 to start the year but these next 5 games are so crucial for us. We can't start under .500 again at the 10 game mark. Let's see if this talk fires everyone up or not but really our coaching to get the players ready hasn't been good enough for the last 2 games. Brilliant first game but we haven't looked good since then. We've got the pieces, Allvin has done well to make a competitive team, our injuries aren't that bad, but now it's all on coaching and in particular, getting the team fired up to play consistently. A bit of that falls on our leadership team too so all eyes on Quinn and Miller too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Elias Pettersson Posted October 19, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 19, 2023 (edited) When your toughest players on the team are the coaches behind the bench, you know you have a problem. This team is too soft. Period. End of conversation. Tocchet is 100% correct. They tried to address that in the summer, but there are still way too many soft players on the team. Until those players are gone and replaced we are going to have this situation. Beauvillier and Garland do not belong on a Rick Tocchet coached team. They cannot play on the 3rd line. I am hoping they are both gone soon. Garland looks like he will be the first one to go. I mean $9.1 million for these two guys is ridiculous... Edited October 19, 2023 by Elias Pettersson 1 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said: When your toughest players on the team are the coaches behind the bench, you know you have a problem. This team is too soft. Period. End of conversation. Tocchet is 100% correct. They tried to address that in the summer, but there are still way too many soft players on the team. Until those players are gone and replaced we are going to have this situation. Beauvillier and Garland do not belong on a Rick Tocchet coached team. They cannot play on the 3rd line. I am hoping they are both gone soon. Garland looks like he will be the first one to go. I mean $9.1 million for these two guys is ridiculous... Man I have been beating that drum all off-season. Beau was one of the highest priority subtractions I thought we needed to make, in part because I rightfully didn’t think Garland’s contract was moveable. Garland has provided a little so far this season but Beau has shown nothing. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hogs and Podz Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 4 hours ago, DownUndaCanuck said: . A bit of that falls on our leadership team too so all eyes on Quinn and Miller too. That is an important point. I was think... Where was Quinn? Where was JT? Yah this is on Tocc and team leaders. See if they've started correcting themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 6 hours ago, Jaimito said: Starts at 9:00 Mark Were Tocchet's comments too harsh? Really? Has this world become so emotionally fragile that a coach calling out his team is considered too harsh? Sorry but Tocchet was right on the money. The team needs to grow a set and soon. There are players like Demko, Miller and Boeser, who clearly want to bring a consistent effort, but there's a huge swath of players who shit the bed against Philly and they deserve every bit of this. Every bit. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 1 minute ago, PhillipBlunt said: Were Tocchet's comments too harsh? Really? Has this world become so emotionally fragile that a coach calling out his team is considered too harsh? Sorry but Tocchet was right on the money. The team needs to grow a set and soon. There are players like Demko, Miller and Boeser, who clearly want to bring a consistent effort, but there's a huge swath of players who shit the bed against Philly and they deserve every bit of this. Every bit. judging from the reaction to firing Boudreau, which was 100% warranted, I'd say yes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip The Mesh Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 (edited) They should be roasted. Doubt is he's hit anyone yet. A little early to start siting guys for full games. Edited October 19, 2023 by Rip The Mesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 17 minutes ago, Rip The Mesh said: They should be roasted. Doubt is he's hit anyone yet. A little early to start siting guys for full games. When Tocchet starts hitting players, things will really have gone off the rails. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kilgore Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 1 hour ago, PhillipBlunt said: Were Tocchet's comments too harsh? Really? Has this world become so emotionally fragile that a coach calling out his team is considered too harsh? Sorry but Tocchet was right on the money. The team needs to grow a set and soon. There are players like Demko, Miller and Boeser, who clearly want to bring a consistent effort, but there's a huge swath of players who shit the bed against Philly and they deserve every bit of this. Every bit. They don't call you Blunt for nothing Phil. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson JH Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 13 hours ago, -AJ- said: Just a heads up, we had a rule on CDC that we're looking to continue--instead of posting the entire article here on CFF, paste an excerpt for us and then link to the main article. That way we can support the writers through their sites' traffic, but still get a taste of what the article is about. Well, except for some stupid ones with a click-baity headline and the article turn out to be trash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jess Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 3 minutes ago, Crimson JH said: Well, except for some stupid ones with a click-baity headline and the article turn out to be trash. Indeed, hence why an excerpt is nice to help determine that. We also don't like just article links without an excerpt. The excerpt is the perfect happy medium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Aquaman Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 Awww everybody needs some tough LOVE baby! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred65 Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 Nip it in the bud, we don't wish to have bad habits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Crossbar Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 8 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: When your toughest players on the team are the coaches behind the bench, you know you have a problem. This team is too soft. Period. End of conversation. Tocchet is 100% correct. They tried to address that in the summer, but there are still way too many soft players on the team. Until those players are gone and replaced we are going to have this situation. Beauvillier and Garland do not belong on a Rick Tocchet coached team. They cannot play on the 3rd line. I am hoping they are both gone soon. Garland looks like he will be the first one to go. I mean $9.1 million for these two guys is ridiculous... Well said. Tbh, I didn't consider Tocchet's comments to be harsh at all. I don't even think he let them have it. He was being honest and telling it like it is while all still pretty tame. If people think this was controversial in any way ... that's a problem in itself. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 15 hours ago, moosehead said: Canucks could very easily lost both the last 2 games. Time for a wake-up call. Losing is one thing but lack of effort is not acceptable. It wasn't because of lack of effort. Lack of effort isn't the only determining factor in a game This is the Torts era all over again it seems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosehead Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 21 minutes ago, Blue said: It wasn't because of lack of effort. Lack of effort isn't the only determining factor in a game This is the Torts era all over again it seems. Torts has zero street cred. Tocchet is a winner. Not the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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