HKSR Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 (edited) The Blockbuster Trade: To VAN: Nylander To TOR: Kuzmenko Myers B-Prospect (Mcdonough? Aman? Klimovich?) To 3rd Party (to retain 50% on Myers) -- might not need to do this with Klingberg likely going into LTIR 3rd Round Pick (VAN) Toronto doesn't need picks/futures right now. They need current NHL proven talent. With Kuzmenko, Toronto gets an immediate replacement for Nylander at a lower cap hit (albeit lower production as well). They also get a replacement for Klingberg on RHD in Myers, and only at a $3M cap hit. They also get a prospect to develop for the future. One of the keys here is that Kuzmenko's deal will end at the same time as Tavares and Marner. It is highly unlikely that Tavares gets $11M on his next deal, so the money can then be spread between Kuzmenko and Tavares (total cap hit between the 2 of $16) in 2 years. Vancouver gets Nylander -- a guy that is rumoured to be on Allvin's radar. Canucks re-sign him for $9.25M AAV over 8 years. Nylander is a proven playoff performer as well. OFFSEASON Trade for Cap Purposes: To VAN: Anything To Any Team Willing to Take Him: Garland We know there is a high likelihood of Garland being moved. Paying a 3rd liner nearly $5M AAV is simply not sustainable. It's probably time to give Hoglander his shot as he is a very similar type of player. Cap Situation: Line-Up for Remainder of this year (healthy) -- with $5.5M in cap space for upgrades: Nylander-Petey-Mikheyev Boeser-Miller-PDG Garland-Suter-Joshua Hoglander-Blueger-Lafferty Hughes-Hronek Cole-Friedman Soucy-Juulsen Line-Up for 2024-25 (healthy) -- with $4.8M in cap space to find upgrades: Nylander-Petey-Mikheyev Boeser-Miller-PDG Hoglander-Suter-Joshua Podkolzin-Lafferty-Raty Hughes-Hronek Cole-Bear? Soucy-Friedman/Juulsen Edited November 22, 2023 by HKSR 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker67 Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 Why does Toronto do this? Nylander is one of their best players. Nylander > Kuzmenko 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 Nylander will get a lot more than that and this doesn’t address their needs in any way other than some salary cap relief. Nylander is worth a lot more and for a win now team they aren’t trading him for less than a starting goaltender or top notch D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 29 minutes ago, DrJockitch said: Nylander will get a lot more than that and this doesn’t address their needs in any way other than some salary cap relief. Nylander is worth a lot more and for a win now team they aren’t trading him for less than a starting goaltender or top notch D. They would rather risk letting Nylander walk than get rid of their best player right now. Toronto is firmly in win now mode and they can't afford to mess with the best part of their chemistry. On top of that, the trade value here is way off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted November 22, 2023 Author Share Posted November 22, 2023 17 minutes ago, Nucker67 said: Why does Toronto do this? Nylander is one of their best players. Nylander > Kuzmenko He is, but he's also gonna be too costly for them to keep. Kuzmenko just came off a 39 goal campaign last year. He's not doing as well this year, but he certainly is capable of it. At only $5.5M AAV for 2 years, it gives the Leafs proven offensive talent in their top 6 while filling a hole left by Klingberg as well. They can also afford to re-sign Kuzmenko as his contract lines up perfectly with Tavares and Marner. 17 minutes ago, DrJockitch said: Nylander will get a lot more than that and this doesn’t address their needs in any way other than some salary cap relief. Nylander is worth a lot more and for a win now team they aren’t trading him for less than a starting goaltender or top notch D. I don't see any team unloading a true starting goaltender or top notch D for a pending UFA winger that could cost $9M+ AAV next year. The bottom tier teams that need goal scoring don't have many starting goaltenders or top notch D available. The bottom tier of teams that could use Nylander for more offence: SJ - 36yo Vlasic? Kahkonen or Blackwood? WAS - Carlson isn't going anywhere. Neither is Kuemper. WAS needs their starter. CHI - Jones maybe? Not even sure TOR is that stupid though. Forget about their goalies. NYI - NYI will certainly not unload one of their top defencemen. That's their bread and butter. CAP SPACE. STL - Could see a possible fit here with Parayko, but he has an NTC. Not sure why STL would do it either. They have lots of talent up front. EDM - LOL, not the place to get a defenceman or goalie. ANA - Don't see a fit here. Gibson isn't getting moved, and ANA can't afford to move a top notch D in Fowler. BUF - No great starter option here. Not gonna pry Power or Dahlin out of Buffalo either. CLB - Elvis will not leave the building, otherwise they have Martin as starter lol. Werenski is not getting moved, nor is Severson who they just signed. CAL - Might find a fit here... Hanifin? Tanev? But there's that cap issue again. Last thing CAL needs is to add more cap hit. MTL - Not the place for goalie or defenceman shopping right now NAS - Saros isn't being moved. Other than Josi.... no D either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 Nylander grinds my gears. But he's been one of the best players for Toronto. And shows up for the playoffs when others don't. Yeah I don't see Toronto biting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker67 Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 A little off topic, going from one disappointing team (TOR) to another (EDM), but I heard a couple of days ago that the Oilers might be waiting for Nashville to pull the plug on their season (and start a rebuild), so the Oilers can try and trade for Sarros. What would that cost the OIlers? Maybe TOR and EDM can battle it out and overpay. Looking at Sarros' stats, they're pretty good, but not great, certainly not Demko-like. If they try to get MacKenzie Blackwood from the Sharks, he's even worse. Oilers and Leafs are screwed without great goaltending lol This is why I think the Canucks need to go all-in. Demko (and the young stars) are ready to take that next step. Canucks have a super good goalie, let's use him to get that fricken championship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted November 22, 2023 Author Share Posted November 22, 2023 5 minutes ago, Nucker67 said: A little off topic, going from one disappointing team (TOR) to another (EDM), but I heard a couple of days ago that the Oilers might be waiting for Nashville to pull the plug on their season (and start a rebuild), so the Oilers can try and trade for Sarros. What would that cost the OIlers? Maybe TOR and EDM can battle it out and overpay. Looking at Sarros' stats, they're pretty good, but not great, certainly not Demko-like. If they try to get MacKenzie Blackwood from the Sharks, he's even worse. Oilers and Leafs are screwed without great goaltending lol This is why I think the Canucks need to go all-in. Demko (and the young stars) are ready to take that next step. Canucks have a super good goalie, let's use him to get that fricken championship. We're really fortunate this time around to have superstars in the 3 key positions (centre, defence, and goalie). Then we also have a superstar 2nd line centre (whether 2nd line is Petey or Miller), and a star RHD in Hronek. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker67 Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 Which 5-player core has the best chance at the Cup? (3 forwards, 2 D, 1 goalie) EDM - McDavid, Draisaitl, Nugent-Hopkins, Nurse, Bouchard, Skinner TOR - Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Rielly, Brodie, Samsonov VAN - Pettersson, Miller, Boeser, Hughes, Hronek, Demko Not trying to be biased, but....the Canucks D and Demko are the X-factors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 Nylander wants $11 million. We don't need an $11 million winger. Would rather keep Kuzmenko and try and re-sign him to around $7-7.5 million. We may not even have room for Boeser at $8 million... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted November 22, 2023 Author Share Posted November 22, 2023 45 minutes ago, Nucker67 said: Which 5-player core has the best chance at the Cup? (3 forwards, 2 D, 1 goalie) EDM - McDavid, Draisaitl, Nugent-Hopkins, Nurse, Bouchard, Skinner TOR - Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Rielly, Brodie, Samsonov VAN - Pettersson, Miller, Boeser, Hughes, Hronek, Demko Not trying to be biased, but....the Canucks D and Demko are the X-factors. Hertl, Zetterlund, Eklund, Ferraro, Emberson..... Man SJ is atrociously terrible this year. They could potentially finish with less than 15 wins this season, and under 40 points.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted November 22, 2023 Author Share Posted November 22, 2023 25 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Nylander wants $11 million. We don't need an $11 million winger. Would rather keep Kuzmenko and try and re-sign him to around $7-7.5 million. We may not even have room for Boeser at $8 million... If that's what he wants, there's no team that will pay through the nose to get him before the TDL. I think it's a really realistic scenario that Nylander walks for nothing then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 Why would Toronto even consider this? He's far superior to Kuzmenko, and Myers and a B prospect do absolutely nothing for them. Only way I see them even think about moving Nylander is if he's asking for too much and they're getting a premier defenseman in return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted November 22, 2023 Author Share Posted November 22, 2023 4 minutes ago, Pears said: Why would Toronto even consider this? He's far superior to Kuzmenko, and Myers and a B prospect do absolutely nothing for them. Only way I see them even think about moving Nylander is if he's asking for too much and they're getting a premier defenseman in return. No offence, but you along with many others keep saying that Toronto should or could move Nylander for a premier defenceman. WHICH premier defenceman are you referring to? What team moves premier defencemen for a pending UFA that some are saying could ask for $11M AAV? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 1 minute ago, HKSR said: No offence, but you along with many others keep saying that Toronto should or could move Nylander for a premier defenceman. WHICH premier defenceman are you referring to? What team moves premier defencemen for a pending UFA that some are saying could ask for $11M AAV? Because that's the only kind of return that makes sense for them, and honestly with how he's playing right now, they shouldn't even consider moving him at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted November 22, 2023 Author Share Posted November 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, Pears said: Because that's the only kind of return that makes sense for them, and honestly with how he's playing right now, they shouldn't even consider moving him at all. So in other words, he will probably walk for nothing because no team is trading a premier defenceman for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CR7 Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 I think you're looking at Boeser + Blue chip or 1st round pick to get a conversation started Not sure we are an ideal trade partner. Toronto is looking for the same thing we are, Defense and cap flexibility Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpyone Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 IF you make this deal you WILL end up in the same boat as the Leafs and Oilers... too much spent on the forwards, with nothing left for the defense. We need another D-man, not another top 6 forward. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby James Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 3 hours ago, HKSR said: Canucks re-sign him for $9.25M AAV over 8 years. The idea of trading a Kuz + a Dman + picks/prospects in theory is possible. We'd have to pay more then you proposed, but the idea isn't too crazy. But no shot he signs for that. If he was willing to sign 9.25 Toronto would have already printed the contract and put up freaking billboards around town. He is literally one of their 2 best players this season (him and Matthews) and the contract will likely be in the 11 million range (maybe 10ish at best). Unless he decides to leave money on the table, but most players don't do that (nor should they have to). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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