Canadian Politics Thread

[24K]

1 hour ago, LaBamba said:

worrying about social issues over the economy right now would be like getting run over by a car and worrying about your smokes getting squashed while lower intestine is tangled in your bike spokes. 

Economic policies and fortunes can change on a dime while societal changes are more lasting and whatever changes that occur often are things no individual can change on their own. 

Even in bad economies people can adapt and prosper but roadblocks with social issues often cannot be altered on an individual bases. 

What is the point of financial prosperity when one cannot control their own life in society. Money itself ain't gonna make you happy. 

[24K]

1 hour ago, Spring Salmon said:

The cons aren't bringing back abortion talk. That's just something the liberals and media say when liberals are struggling in the polls and some people believe it right away. Harper was in power for around 10 years and never did anything about it. Why would they do something now?

While not explicit, it is 100% worrying that all the cpc voted for the personal member bill in question when arguments for its article abortion nature was brought up. 

Before you say how it's isn't about abortion, the bill in question was brought to the floor by the same mp that brought out a similar but more explocit bill anto-abortion bill to the floor. 

The action that was taken speaks louder than the words cause the cpc knows if they are exllplicit about abortion, they will be defeated before a single shot is fired.

[Miss Korea]

1 hour ago, LaBamba said:

worrying about social issues over the economy right now would be like getting run over by a car and worrying about your smokes getting squashed while lower intestine is tangled in your bike spokes. 

Perhaps the social landscape in the prairies haven't devolved into madness (although I think it has), but in the cities it's pure chaos.  The social conservative shift in Canada is real.  A lot of hatred festering inside the CPC right now, and PP seems happy to lean into it.  O'Toole never leaned into it.  Scheer never leaned into it.  PM Harper (a very conservative man by any measure), completely subdued the social side of his persona, put on the ugly sweater and made sure nobody spoke out.

You can't keep pretending like today's Conservative Party doesn't care about social issues.  They do.  And those views are incredibly messed up.  And now they finally have a leader who simply doesn't care about reining them in.

[Win2024]

On 9/16/2023 at 8:25 AM, Bounce000 said:

Everything is expensive

Well... except girls who cheer for the flames

[LaBamba]

4 hours ago, 24K said:

Economic policies and fortunes can change on a dime while societal changes are more lasting and whatever changes that occur often are things no individual can change on their own. 

Even in bad economies people can adapt and prosper but roadblocks with social issues often cannot be altered on an individual bases. 

What is the point of financial prosperity when one cannot control their own life in society. Money itself ain't gonna make you happy. 

I’m going to be really honest with you, I don’t need the government. I paid an astronomical amount of taxes last year. All I need them to do for me is economic so my priorities are different than yours and that doesn’t make me a bad person. 
 

What social roadblocks has JT taken down that Harper put up or ignored and how are we better now? Like an actual examples. 

cause you gotta remember, it’s been 8 years and I think our society is socially in the worst shape it’s ever been.
 

Homelessness is out of control.
Drug addiction is out of control. Mental health is out of control and our country has never been more divided. 

[LaBamba]

3 hours ago, Miss Korea said:

Perhaps the social landscape in the prairies haven't devolved into madness (although I think it has), but in the cities it's pure chaos.  The social conservative shift in Canada is real.  A lot of hatred festering inside the CPC right now, and PP seems happy to lean into it.  O'Toole never leaned into it.  Scheer never leaned into it.  PM Harper (a very conservative man by any measure), completely subdued the social side of his persona, put on the ugly sweater and made sure nobody spoke out.

You can't keep pretending like today's Conservative Party doesn't care about social issues.  They do.  And those views are incredibly messed up.  And now they finally have a leader who simply doesn't care about reining them in.

I’m going to ask you the same question as the last guy i responded too. 
 

where are the positive results? 

[Miss Korea]

26 minutes ago, LaBamba said:

I’m going to ask you the same question as the last guy i responded too. 
 

where are the positive results? 

That has literally nothing to do with what I was talking about and you know it.  What a weak-willed whataboutism response that was. I'll give you one more chance to stand up for what you said. 

I quote you, verbatim : "If the Canadian conservatives were a party in the US they'd be called socialists".  Now if you're prepared to back up those convctions, re-visit my first post and respond to it directly.  This has nothing to do with Trudeau's Liberals.  Nothing.

[LaBamba]

4 hours ago, StanleyCupOneDay said:

Trudeau has done a decent job as PM navigating a storm no other Canadian leader has faced in over a century with very low deaths from COVID, but it’s clear 10 years is the shelf life of any leader in Canada and he needs to step down before the next election. If he doesn’t then Canada is going to be led by the guy who has been and will continue trying to turn Canadian politics into ugly American politics in order to gain power and if Poilievre wins I am guaranteeing you Canada is crossing a line it can’t uncross (and no this wouldn’t happen with O’Toole, Harper, Charest or even Scheer before you accuse me of bias).

Once Trump-lite, “support the freedom convoy who took the economy of our country hostage over a political issue and damaged it by billions”, “it’s ok for white nationalists to support me”, “all vaccine mandates should be banned”, becomes acceptable, there is no more unity in this country. There’s no more difference of opinion, there’s no more agreeing to disagree, it’s going to be every single day of his tenure with the 60-65% left of the country fighting tooth and nail against the 30-40% right of the country and vice versa. How do I know this? Look what happened after Trump got elected and what the US looks like today long after he’s left office.

See what’s happening down South and ask yourself if that’s what you want here irrespective of your ideology or beliefs, because it’s coming if the current conservative leader wins election. I know this warning will fall on many deaf ears and many here will still vote for him, but when you see your neighbors turn against each other, your schools becoming culture war battle zones, your families torn apart and people you love and care about completely cutting you out of their life forever based on your vote (and this goes both ways with left and right voters, it’s what happened in the US), don’t say I didn’t warn you.

Come back to this post if he wins and I hope with every single fiber of my body that I will be wrong on everything I’ve said. That I was over exaggerating and hyperbolic. That nothing really changed. I’d love nothing more than to not have this scenario come to fruition, that Canadians won’t go into their tribes and refuse to be any part of the other because there’s no going back if that powder keg is lit. Our country would be changed forever. I hope everyone gets to serve me a mountain of crow from this post, but I truly fear my plate will be empty.

Everything you are saying here is just as judgmental as the bigotry you’re suggesting you won’t stand for. A giant percentage of people in Canada and the United States are politically conservative. The minority of those people are on the extreme side of that spectrum but their voices are louder and they’re more combative. 
 

We all actually have more common ground than you realize. The silent majority are politically centre and lean to one side more than the other. Both sides are guilty of driving themselves apart from each other with extreme views and we are all playing into it. I remember a time where politics never came up in conversation. Social media plays a huge part in this division. 

Everyone acts like the worst possible scenario is will result if their side doesn’t have a majority government, but in reality your daily life barely changes.

Im actually in Texas right now. I’ve worked down in the USA since 2010. It’s funny how everyone acts like it’s just pure chaos down here but the daily life of Obama, Trump and Biden policies are completely indistinguishable.  

[LaBamba]

2 minutes ago, Miss Korea said:

That has literally nothing to do with what I was talking about and you know it.  What a weak-willed whataboutism response that was. I'll give you one more chance to stand up for what you said. 

I quote you, verbatim : "If the Canadian conservatives were a party in the US they'd be called socialists".  Now if you're prepared to back up those convctions, re-visit my first post and respond to it directly.  This has nothing to do with Trudeau's Liberals.  Nothing.

CPC is not going to push for private health care. They’re not going to criminalize abortion or THC. They’re not going to build a wall. They’re not going to legalize assault rifles and They support Ukraine. Those issues right there make them more democratic than republican. Canada as a whole is far more socialist than the United States and our so called right wing party clearly show’s that. 
 

People like to compare the CPC to the Republican Party but in reality the CPC has more in common with the liberals than they do the republicans. 
 

The Liberals use to be the party in the centre of the NDP and the CPC but that is no longer the case. They still have fragments of conservative views in comparison to the NDP but they’ve definitely drifted far too left.

[Alflives]

41 minutes ago, LaBamba said:

Everything you are saying here is just as judgmental as the bigotry you’re suggesting you won’t stand for. A giant percentage of people in Canada and the United States are politically conservative. The minority of those people are on the extreme side of that spectrum but their voices are louder and they’re more combative. 
 

We all actually have more common ground than you realize. The silent majority are politically centre and lean to one side more than the other. Both sides are guilty of driving themselves apart from each other with extreme views and we are all playing into it. I remember a time where politics never came up in conversation. Social media plays a huge part in this division. 

Everyone acts like the worst possible scenario is will result if their side doesn’t have a majority government, but in reality your daily life barely changes.

Im actually in Texas right now. I’ve worked down in the USA since 2010. It’s funny how everyone acts like it’s just pure chaos down here but the daily life of Obama, Trump and Biden policies are completely indistinguishable.  

IMHAO we can have conservative values (like with spending money or how we dress) while politically being someone who votes for the NDP. I think most people, especially as they age, tend to be more conservative with their values. 

[Miss Korea]

34 minutes ago, LaBamba said:

CPC is not going to push for private health care. They’re not going to criminalize abortion or THC. They’re not going to build a wall. They’re not going to legalize assault rifles and They support Ukraine. Those issues right there make them more democratic than republican. Canada as a whole is far more socialist than the United States and our so called right wing party clearly show’s that. 
 

People like to compare the CPC to the Republican Party but in reality the CPC has more in common with the liberals than they do the republicans. 
 

The Liberals use to be the party in the centre of the NDP and the CPC but that is no longer the case. They still have fragments of conservative views in comparison to the NDP but they’ve definitely drifted far too left.

The CPC doesn't need to push for privatized health care.  That is a provincial jurisdiction and you should know that.  But in any case, Pierre has no need to push for it because the big premiers are already doing it themselves.  Alberta turned on its health care workers during the pandemic, and have used it as a launchpad against the system.  Ontario is privatizing health care bit by bit.  How have you not paid attention to any of this?

Party members repeatedly bring up abortion-related bills designed to weaken legislation on reproductive rights.  It's protected under the Supreme Court ruling, but there is enough smoke to signal an intent to undermine it.  

As for Pierre's stance on foreign policy and justice, he hasn't actually revealed much.  Nobody has any clue what he would do as PM because he doesn't talk about it.  His intentions are unclear and he is unwilling to even be asked about these things by media.

50 minutes ago, LaBamba said:

Everything you are saying here is just as judgmental as the bigotry you’re suggesting you won’t stand for. A giant percentage of people in Canada and the United States are politically conservative. The minority of those people are on the extreme side of that spectrum but their voices are louder and they’re more combative. 
 

We all actually have more common ground than you realize. The silent majority are politically centre and lean to one side more than the other. Both sides are guilty of driving themselves apart from each other with extreme views and we are all playing into it. I remember a time where politics never came up in conversation. Social media plays a huge part in this division. 

Everyone acts like the worst possible scenario is will result if their side doesn’t have a majority government, but in reality your daily life barely changes.

Im actually in Texas right now. I’ve worked down in the USA since 2010. It’s funny how everyone acts like it’s just pure chaos down here but the daily life of Obama, Trump and Biden policies are completely indistinguishable.  

If you are confident enough to label the policies of three presidents as "completely indistinguishable", and that "daily life barely changes", how can you be so fervently against Trudeau's Liberals?  

These aren't your dad's conservatives anymore.  Even Stephen Harper, a strongly right-wing, social conservative, knew better than to play with the far-right.  But now that the far-right has a visible media presence, PP has courted them to no end.  He has simply let the extremists become vocal leaders in his party. 

It's just weird how you seem to care very little about the consequences of who runs the US, while you hold Canada to a much harsher standard.  Actually... not Canada... just the Liberals.  If you want to criticize Trudeau and the party, do it.  But don't even try to give Poilievre and his Conservatives a pass here.  He is the most divisive party leader in modern Canadian history.  His use of identity politics is just as brazen, if not more than Trudeau and you know it.

By the way, in history, Canada has shown to be consistently more liberal than the United States.  There have been instances in American history where the Democrats took over and implemented progressive changes (especially in the 1930s and 60s), but America has largely been a Republican-governed country.  The opposite has been the case here in Canada, where the Liberals have essentially held government for multiple generations over the past century.  I would go even farther and say that the majority of Canadians AND Americans are socially liberal.  But the majority of voters are socially conservative, especially in America.

Edited September 19, 2023 by Miss Korea

[LaBamba]

54 minutes ago, Miss Korea said:

The CPC doesn't need to push for privatized health care.  That is a provincial jurisdiction and you should know that.  But in any case, Pierre has no need to push for it because the big premiers are already doing it themselves.  Alberta turned on its health care workers during the pandemic, and have used it as a launchpad against the system.  Ontario is privatizing health care bit by bit.  How have you not paid attention to any of this?

Party members repeatedly bring up abortion-related bills designed to weaken legislation on reproductive rights.  It's protected under the Supreme Court ruling, but there is enough smoke to signal an intent to undermine it.  

As for Pierre's stance on foreign policy and justice, he hasn't actually revealed much.  Nobody has any clue what he would do as PM because he doesn't talk about it.  His intentions are unclear and he is unwilling to even be asked about these things by media.

If you are confident enough to label the policies of three presidents as "completely indistinguishable", and that "daily life barely changes", how can you be so fervently against Trudeau's Liberals?  

These aren't your dad's conservatives anymore.  Even Stephen Harper, a strongly right-wing, social conservative, knew better than to play with the far-right.  But now that the far-right has a visible media presence, PP has courted them to no end.  He has simply let the extremists become vocal leaders in his party. 

It's just weird how you seem to care very little about the consequences of who runs the US, while you hold Canada to a much harsher standard.  Actually... not Canada... just the Liberals.  If you want to criticize Trudeau and the party, do it.  But don't even try to give Poilievre and his Conservatives a pass here.  He is the most divisive party leader in modern Canadian history.  His use of identity politics is just as brazen, if not more than Trudeau and you know it.

By the way, in history, Canada has shown to be consistently more liberal than the United States.  There have been instances in American history where the Democrats took over and implemented progressive changes (especially in the 1930s and 60s), but America has largely been a Republican-governed country.  The opposite has been the case here in Canada, where the Liberals have essentially held government for multiple generations over the past century.  I would go even farther and say that the majority of Canadians AND Americans are socially liberal.  But the majority of voters are socially conservative, especially in America.

Show me results and I’ll praise the Liberals. I want the Liberals to succeed because if they do we all do. 
 

they haven’t and it’s time for something new. 
 

everything you are saying about PP catering to the extreme right can be said for the NDP and Liberals on the extreme left. Politics are a mess today and you’re playing into it. 
 

 

[aGENT]

8 hours ago, LaBamba said:

With all do respect, that doesn’t make you more important. 
 

A lot of these people live a different life than you do and you cannot relate to their lifestyle. If you were 40-50 year old logger your entire life with a family to provide for wouldn’t  you be a conservative? 

conservatives (for the most part) are the blue collar people on the tractor, turning wrenches, framing your houses. those people should have a voice just like you do.

You are no better than they are

you’re both just as stubborn but on opposite sides of spectrum. 

With all due respect, I never said I was "more important"...what a weird take.

And those "blue collar" folks (I'm a tradesperson FYI) have been duped in to voting against their best interests by appealing to their (archaic) beliefs around things like abortion, LGBTQ+ rights etc. 

[LaBamba]

5 minutes ago, aGENT said:

With all due respect, I never said I was "more important"...what a weird take.

And those "blue collar" folks (I'm a tradesperson FYI) have been duped in to voting against their best interests by appealing to their (archaic) beliefs around things like abortion, LGBTQ+ rights etc. 

ah yes, the ole grammar correction to insult my intelligence. 
 

Do you really think a government is going to change how Doug from Esterhazy SK feels about LQBTQ? Lol. Who cares what he thinks? 
 

Show me how the increase spending in Social programs in the last 8 years of the JT government has improved homelessness or Mental health.
 

I’d like to see a direct correlation between money spent and a tangible improvement in any social metric. 
 

I’m not saying social programs don’t help, I’m saying the Liberal government has had a hard time properly executing and producing results. 

[Cold]

9 hours ago, LaBamba said:

You’re thinking about factories. That’s urban. We are talking about the prairies here. There isn’t a union of canola farmers 

If you are only referring to the prairie farming community, then agreed, they very much are and vote Conservative. The Liberals have given them the short end of the stick for a long time now, so I don’t blame them. 
 

But blue collar workers in construction or manufacturing say, get a much better deal voting for pro union governments. 

[LaBamba]

2 hours ago, Miss Korea said:

The CPC doesn't need to push for privatized health care.  That is a provincial jurisdiction and you should know that.  But in any case, Pierre has no need to push for it because the big premiers are already doing it themselves.  Alberta turned on its health care workers during the pandemic, and have used it as a launchpad against the system.  Ontario is privatizing health care bit by bit.  How have you not paid attention to any of this?

Party members repeatedly bring up abortion-related bills designed to weaken legislation on reproductive rights.  It's protected under the Supreme Court ruling, but there is enough smoke to signal an intent to undermine it.  

As for Pierre's stance on foreign policy and justice, he hasn't actually revealed much.  Nobody has any clue what he would do as PM because he doesn't talk about it.  His intentions are unclear and he is unwilling to even be asked about these things by media.

If you are confident enough to label the policies of three presidents as "completely indistinguishable", and that "daily life barely changes", how can you be so fervently against Trudeau's Liberals?  

These aren't your dad's conservatives anymore.  Even Stephen Harper, a strongly right-wing, social conservative, knew better than to play with the far-right.  But now that the far-right has a visible media presence, PP has courted them to no end.  He has simply let the extremists become vocal leaders in his party. 

It's just weird how you seem to care very little about the consequences of who runs the US, while you hold Canada to a much harsher standard.  Actually... not Canada... just the Liberals.  If you want to criticize Trudeau and the party, do it.  But don't even try to give Poilievre and his Conservatives a pass here.  He is the most divisive party leader in modern Canadian history.  His use of identity politics is just as brazen, if not more than Trudeau and you know it.

By the way, in history, Canada has shown to be consistently more liberal than the United States.  There have been instances in American history where the Democrats took over and implemented progressive changes (especially in the 1930s and 60s), but America has largely been a Republican-governed country.  The opposite has been the case here in Canada, where the Liberals have essentially held government for multiple generations over the past century.  I would go even farther and say that the majority of Canadians AND Americans are socially liberal.  But the majority of voters are socially conservative, especially in America.

The liberals have only recently gone far left. The liberal party has always been common ground. 
 

We have had the JT government in power for 8 years. Nothing has improved in the area’s that a liberal government traditionally improves. from top to bottom everything is worse. Ignore the noise and think about real life here in BC. 
 

I understand that provincial governments are responsible for a lot of these things but it’s left in BC regardless. 

Health care: I gotta be in a major Jam to spend 7 hrs in an emergency room. That has become noticeably worse in the last 8 years I don’t even go to the doctor anymore. I wait till I’m working in Texas if I got something going on. My travel insurance in the US provides far better healthcare than what I have in Salmon Arm. 

Cost of living. What a disaster. I don’t know how people live in Vancouver. 

Mental health. Homelessness has become drastically worse.

education. Expensive and definitely not improved by any means. 

environment. Carbon taxes go up. Yet forests still burn down. Probably the laziest approach imaginable to an issue their voters value the most. 

just to show you that I’m not bias to any party. They have done some things that I like. 
 
In real time I thought they handled the pandemic well. In hindsight of course it was a disaster but it was a disaster for everyone.

I like the child care subsidies. I got a soft spot for struggling families and I don’t mind spending money there. 

l like how they handled Ukraine. 

considering the circumstances, he did well with the NAFTA debacle. 

but overall quality of life is lower for most Canadians than it was 8 years ago and there are no excuses. 

[LaBamba]

18 minutes ago, Cold said:

If you are only referring to the prairie farming community, then agreed, they very much are and vote Conservative. The Liberals have given them the short end of the stick for a long time now, so I don’t blame them. 
 

But blue collar workers in construction or manufacturing say, get a much better deal voting for pro union governments. 

Manufacturing is a metro thing. You don’t see big manufacturers in low populated areas. There is a direct correlation between Unions and the exodus of manufacturing. I commend the intent, but the results are black and white. 
 

unionization needs to be supported by tariffs on goods from abroad to level the playing field. 

[Cold]

21 minutes ago, LaBamba said:

Manufacturing is a metro thing. You don’t see big manufacturers in low populated areas. There is a direct correlation between Unions and the exodus of manufacturing. I commend the intent, but the results are black and white. 
 

unionization needs to be supported by tariffs on goods from abroad to level the playing field.

Agreed.

But it’s a tricky proposition to pull off high tariffs to balance labour costs in a capitalist world that is used to getting cheap goods from the exploited, low wage parts of the world. 
I still support it, as our lack of secondary industry is a serious Achilles heel. 
In the same way, I support strong limits on exporting raw resources. It’s short sighted. 

[Warhippy]

4 hours ago, LaBamba said:

CPC is not going to push for private health care. They’re not going to criminalize abortion or THC. They’re not going to build a wall. They’re not going to legalize assault rifles and They support Ukraine. Those issues right there make them more democratic than republican. Canada as a whole is far more socialist than the United States and our so called right wing party clearly show’s that. 
 

People like to compare the CPC to the Republican Party but in reality the CPC has more in common with the liberals than they do the republicans. 
 

The Liberals use to be the party in the centre of the NDP and the CPC but that is no longer the case. They still have fragments of conservative views in comparison to the NDP but they’ve definitely drifted far too left.

It was literally in their convention last week actually or retreat or whatever it was they did.

 

Submission #1178 – Palliative Care 68. Health Care The Conservative Party believes all Canadians should have reasonable access to timely, quality health care services, regardless of their ability to pay. The provinces and territories should have maximum flexibility to ensure the delivery of medically necessary health services within a universal, public health care system. We support adding a sixth principle to the Canada Health Act to provide stable and transparent federal funding. The government should work with the provinces in a cooperative and constructive manner. The Conservative Party supports amending the Canada Health Act to recognize palliative care as a separate and distinct right for all Canadians. 41 Flexibility for the provinces and territories in the implementation of health services should include a balance of public and private delivery options. The government should work with the provinces and territories in the development of national quality indicators and objectives.

[LaBamba]

1 minute ago, Cold said:

Agreed.

But it’s a tricky proposition to pull off high tariffs to balance labour costs in a capitalist world that is used to getting cheap goods from the exploited, low wage parts of the world. 
I still support it, as our lack of secondary industry is a serious Achilles heel. 
In the same way, I support strong limits on exporting raw resources. It’s short sighted. 

Agreed, but our cost to build a finished product isn’t competitive. A large % of our national economy is directly linked to our housing market. Especially in the west. That needs to change somehow. 

[LaBamba]

1 minute ago, Warhippy said:

It was literally in their convention last week actually or retreat or whatever it was they did.

 

Submission #1178 – Palliative Care 68. Health Care The Conservative Party believes all Canadians should have reasonable access to timely, quality health care services, regardless of their ability to pay. The provinces and territories should have maximum flexibility to ensure the delivery of medically necessary health services within a universal, public health care system. We support adding a sixth principle to the Canada Health Act to provide stable and transparent federal funding. The government should work with the provinces in a cooperative and constructive manner. The Conservative Party supports amending the Canada Health Act to recognize palliative care as a separate and distinct right for all Canadians. 41 Flexibility for the provinces and territories in the implementation of health services should include a balance of public and private delivery options. The government should work with the provinces and territories in the development of national quality indicators and objectives.

I’ve never seen anything so blatantly taken out of context in my life. Hahah. But I don’t have the energy to debate with you right now ole boy. You’re like the 80’s Mike Tyson of the CDC liberals hahaha. 
 

Good to see you here man. Been a long time. Hope you’re doing well. 

[bishopshodan]

Say what you want but this JT kid has always had balls. Challenge him to a fight and he will show up. Isn't intimidated very easily. 

Trudeau urges Modi to take murder allegations seriously after India denies 'absurd' claims

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/indian-government-rejects-trudeau-claims

 

“The Government of India needs to take this matter with the utmost seriousness. We are doing that. We are not looking to provoke or escalate. We are simply laying out the facts as we understand them,” Trudeau said on Tuesday morning before meeting with his cabinet.

[Warhippy]

I am so frigging happy we have differing opinions again here.  The echo chamber was getting a bit much and chased away genuine discussion.

I am not simplistic enough to believe minds can be changed on message boards.  We all just want to yell our opinions and crap on who we don't.

I don't like Poiliverre.  I think the shift and push towards social conservative values has been a near 10 year push and their recent convention indicates it won't be changing soon.

If we wanted to do something different we'd vote for the Bloc, NDP or literally anyone else.  People forget, Harper governed through some amazingly good times in Canada and still had to sell a ton of stuff just to make one budget look balanced.  So the myth he was somehow good at economic stewardship is a falsity.  Before people say "he helped us survive the 2008 crisis" the Covid pandemic was far FAR worse for Canada as a whole and wasn't just confined to certain regions of the G20 but the entirety of the globe with issues still being felt today.  Had nothing ben done to help small businesses or home owners we'd have seen a wave of defaults or bankruptcies like has never been seen before.

We voted in Trudeau to vote out harper and how'd that work?  Now we have a hyper partisan right that refuses to accept any level of cooperation from the left and the left sits smugly pretending somehow they're the end all be all of social stewardship following social media trends and helping further the divide of "inclusivity" which has done little to help the perception of favouritism.

Poiliverre has no genuine ideas though.  Like at all.  Having read the conventions missives there is the potential plan for a few things but by and large nothing that will help Canadians.  In fact it will only do EXACTLY what Trudeaus social policies have already done with their "alberta first over all" suggestion.  Adding in actual parts of the NEP that were once persona non grata to the Conservatives is even more insane because of the cost and social subsidization needed.

right now the Cons re polling in majority territory and that would be about the worst possible option.  We need to kill the majority rule and soon because those majorities between the two parties are what are causing so much of the problems.  As of now the Poiliverre lead Conservative brand has little except anger to run on and once that anger subsides that's it.  I don't want to give a bunch of people who think everything that doesn't agree with them are woke pedos who hate oil and gas and are taking their freedom away a majority rule in my nation

[Warhippy]

7 minutes ago, LaBamba said:

I’ve never seen anything so blatantly taken out of context in my life. Hahah. But I don’t have the energy to debate with you right now ole boy. You’re like the 80’s Mike Tyson of the CDC liberals hahaha. 
 

Good to see you here man. Been a long time. Hope you’re doing well. 

That's a bold assertion mate.  Whether you think it's out of context or not it was a major item in their convention and that suggestion of private care being an essential staple of our health care system should absolutely not be ignored.  "dollars need to be saved" and all and we know from historical experience what happens in the rush to cut costs.

 

Welcome back LB!

[bishopshodan]

Just now, Warhippy said:

I am so frigging happy we have differing opinions again here

I was just thinking the same thing.

 

I missed some of these opinions at CDC. I see some old 'banned' names floating around too.

Hope people remember respect. Convo is good for the country!