[Signing] Travis Green to Ottawa

[PureQuickness]

1 hour ago, fanfor42 said:

Ottawa is a mess and not a destination top coaches will want to go.

 

He is cannon fodder.

 

 

 

He couldn't even do it with Jersey (as an interim) and they have more promise with Hischier (established player) and the two Hughes players. Soon we're gonna hear from Green apologists who will say that Green wasn't given a fair shake.

 

How many "fair shakes" does this guy get? The fact that a coach had Pettersson, Hughes, and Demko (or Markstrom) at his disposal is really a dream.

Edited May 7 by PureQuickness

[Canuck You]

Not our problem but I wish him well..

[Combover]

It’s almost like Ottawa doesn’t want to win, so They got the right guy. 

 

[erkayloomeh]

Amongst all the negativity here about green it's interesting he was here for 5 yrs. 

The single most reason JB had to go

 

[PureQuickness]

6 hours ago, DrJockitch said:

Tocchet couldn’t have won with Benning. Let’s not put it all on Green. That was a terrible decade of management 

 

And yet the core was built entirely of Benning.

 

Green has had six years or so of rolling tires with Benning. You seriously can't make this up. If you're gonna blame Benning, you HAVE to blame Green as well for his inability to coach.

 

Now this dude has handled: Hughes, Pettersson, Demko, Boeser, Hischier, and the Hughes brothers. How many coaches have as many chances as Green has with THESE players?

[PureQuickness]

8 minutes ago, erkayloomeh said:

Amongst all the negativity here about green it's interesting he was here for 5 yrs. 

The single most reason JB had to go

 

 

Yes, and the fact that JB extended him is a joke. Benning probably would've been doing well with a better coach who could advise better players.

 

Green could be handed a winning lottery ticket and he'd still end up losing it.

[Miss Korea]

35 minutes ago, Combover said:

It’s almost like Ottawa doesn’t want to win, so They got the right guy. 

 

 

I said this about Jack Quinn getting cut by San Jose.  Just because you are a rebuilding team doesn't mean ________ is the right coach for that rebuild.  Ottawa isn't even in rebuild mode anymore.  They're actually trying to win and just failing.

[King Heffy]

1 hour ago, PureQuickness said:

 

Come on dude. You're pushing those goal posts further and further away. Pettersson was phenomenal when Green came in. Arguably he has played worse after Tocchet, but you can't use the excuse that Hughes and Pettersson were "not that good".
 

The problem wasn't Green unable to coach them. The problem was Green unable to utilize the roster to his best benefit. Every single year of his coaching tenure, he had a losing record. In fact, Willie D had a WORSE roster with no superstar players and they have an IDENTICAL win rate.

 

I give Green credit for the bubble, but after that phenomenal bubble performance, he couldn't get it done.

 

Make no mistake, Green had EVERY opportunity to handpick his rosters. He did it with Benning - and Benning even EXTENDED Green. But we don't see a winning record at all - not once.

 

Objectively speaking, he's not a good coach. And from the eye test, he's not a good coach either. How many unsuccessful dump and chases do we see under Green? The guy makes these cute little defensive passes that serve no real purpose. His breakouts are nowhere near as good as Tocchet's.

 

Tocc and Green may be friends, but the coaching that these two do are MILES apart.

Green even contributed to making the roster worse his last year by gifting unearned roster spots to guys who had zero business playing in the NHL instead of some young guys who could at least play a physical game.  There's no reason for anyone to allow that idiot to have any input on roster construction given his proven incompetence in that area.  Ottawa is risking years of permanent damage by hiring Green instead of a real coach.

[Elias Pettersson]

An average coach for a non-playoff team.  Probably everyone else declined the offer...

 

Team	Year	Regular season						Postseason
		G	W	L	OTL	Pts	Finish	W	L	Win %	Result
VAN	2017–18	82	31	40	11	73	7th in Pacific	—	—	—	Missed playoffs
VAN	2018–19	82	35	36	11	81	5th in Pacific	—	—	—	Missed playoffs
VAN	2019–20	69	36	27	6	78	3rd in Pacific	10	7	.588	Lost in Second Round (VGK)
VAN	2020–21	56	23	29	4	50	7th in North	—	—	—	Missed playoffs
VAN	2021–22	25	8	15	2	(18)	(fired)	—	—	—	—
NJD	2023–24	21	8	12	1	(17)	7th in Metropolitan	—	—	—	Missed playoffs
Total		335	141	159	35			10	7	.588	1 playoff appearance

[BobbyClarke]

This is a really good move by the Sens. I think Gavin McKenna is worth it. The kids going to be a star in the NHL. 

[King Heffy]

5 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

An average coach for a non-playoff team.  Probably everyone else declined the offer...

 

Team	Year	Regular season						Postseason
		G	W	L	OTL	Pts	Finish	W	L	Win %	Result
VAN	2017–18	82	31	40	11	73	7th in Pacific	—	—	—	Missed playoffs
VAN	2018–19	82	35	36	11	81	5th in Pacific	—	—	—	Missed playoffs
VAN	2019–20	69	36	27	6	78	3rd in Pacific	10	7	.588	Lost in Second Round (VGK)
VAN	2020–21	56	23	29	4	50	7th in North	—	—	—	Missed playoffs
VAN	2021–22	25	8	15	2	(18)	(fired)	—	—	—	—
NJD	2023–24	21	8	12	1	(17)	7th in Metropolitan	—	—	—	Missed playoffs
Total		335	141	159	35			10	7	.588	1 playoff appearance

New Jersey was a playoff team the previous season.  The biggest change they made was hiring an assistant coach with a proven track record of sabotaging every team he's been a part of.  Green's gross incompetence and lack of professionalism is a big reason his teams don't make the playoffs.

[canucks curse]

Canucks have to win the Stanley Cup

[PureQuickness]

16 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

New Jersey was a playoff team the previous season.  The biggest change they made was hiring an assistant coach with a proven track record of sabotaging every team he's been a part of.  Green's gross incompetence and lack of professionalism is a big reason his teams don't make the playoffs.

 

Many people thought that Lindy Ruff had lost the room, but when Ruff was fired, NJ was not in a better spot. TG is NOT an upgrade.

[flat land fish]

I enjoy listening to green talk but he's had alot of runway to lead nhl groups to success without alot of reason to believe he will figure it out in Ottawa.  Senators need a proven winner to embolden the players to take the next step.  

[King Heffy]

Just now, PureQuickness said:

 

Many people thought that Lindy Ruff had lost the room, but when Ruff was fired, NJ was not in a better spot. TG is NOT an upgrade.

Ruff's biggest mistake was letting Green in the room.  You don't want a guy like that anywhere near your young players if you have any respect for them.

[filthy animal]

Im not sure about you guys, but you know what the real joke is? Pure Quickness not giving Benning any of the blame for his failures LOL. Its Greens fault, its Willie D's fault hahahhahah just sounds like a bunch of whining from a Benning fanboy that claims to be "unbiased"

[Provost]

11 hours ago, Rekker said:

Not trying to be a Richard, but what makes Green a good coach? His teams didn't start on time here, failed to protect leads because of some weak defensive shell he insisted on. His teams had zero pushback. His assistants looked like deer in headlights. I didn't see much in adjustments to game plans that weren't working. I don't see it. 

He didn’t have the players or the upper management to be successful.

 

In the bubble every pundit and ex-head coach was marvelling at how well and how hard Green had that team playing and how they were the Canadian team most likely to win the Cup next.  Of course Benning then immediately dismantles that roster and sewers the team again.

 

The team that Alvin and JR have assembled is vastly different. Than what we had back then.  Young guys like Petterson didn’t know how to be pros yet and weren’t ready to buy into systems play.  They were all excited when Boudreau came in and they were allowed to run and gun.

 

Both Green and Tocchet say they think the game the same way and Tocchet has repeatedly said he calls Green to talk about coaching ideas.  I think you can take the word of an NHL head coach to know more about who is a good coach.

 

Everyone said Tocchet was a terrible head coach when he came here.  He had a losing record… it was because his roster was terrible.

 

It takes alignment from the whole organization and Green never had that.  Now Tocchet was given the support of a better roster, input on moves, a stellar (and likely very expensive) assistant coaching staff, etc.  

 

One was set up to fail and the other set up to succeed.

Edited May 7 by Provost

[Bob Long]

1 hour ago, Provost said:

He didn’t have the players or the upper management to be successful.

 

In the bubble every pundit and ex-head coach was marvelling at how well and how hard Green had that team playing and how they were the Canadian team most likely to win the Cup next.  Of course Benning then immediately dismantles that roster and sewers the team again.

 

The team that Alvin and JR have assembled is vastly different. Than what we had back then.  Young guys like Petterson didn’t know how to be pros yet and weren’t ready to buy into systems play.  They were all excited when Boudreau came in and they were allowed to run and gun.

 

Both Green and Tocchet say they think the game the same way and Tocchet has repeatedly said he calls Green to talk about coaching ideas.  I think you can take the word of an NHL head coach to know more about who is a good coach.

 

Everyone said Tocchet was a terrible head coach when he came here.  He had a losing record… it was because his roster was terrible.

 

It takes alignment from the whole organization and Green never had that.  Now Tocchet was given the support of a better roster, input on moves, a stellar (and likely very expensive) assistant coaching staff, etc.  

 

One was set up to fail and the other set up to succeed.

 

It doesn't matter if you think the game the same way if you can't implement it.

[Don Brodka Jr]

The guy just doesn't get current NHL style of hockey. Sucks to be Ottawa fans.. One Step forward 5 steps back..

[Provost]

1 hour ago, Bob Long said:

 

It doesn't matter if you think the game the same way if you can't implement it.

… and that is situational and mostly not under a coaches control.

 

You can’t take the (ex) Coyotes and turn them into a Stanley Cup winner just by inserting the coach who won the Cup the previous year… that just isn’t how life works.

 

If anyone thinks Green ever had a winning roster, they need to put down the pipe. When you need to rely on an Ekman Larsson-Myers duo as your main shutdown pairing and Eriksson as your highest paid forward… you aren’t winning much.

[Bell]

11 hours ago, BobbyClarke said:

This is a really good move by the Sens. I think Gavin McKenna is worth it. The kids going to be a star in the NHL. 

I see what you did there

[Rekker]

3 hours ago, Provost said:

He didn’t have the players or the upper management to be successful.

 

8-12-1 with Jersey to finish the season. Lots of good players there and usually the coaching bump gets some wins. I suppose the proof will be in the upcoming season. I just can't get behind calling Travis Green a good NHL coach. He's shown me nothing to earn that nameplate. 

[Diamonds]

12 hours ago, PureQuickness said:

 

And yet the core was built entirely of Benning.

 

Green has had six years or so of rolling tires with Benning. You seriously can't make this up. If you're gonna blame Benning, you HAVE to blame Green as well for his inability to coach.

 

Now this dude has handled: Hughes, Pettersson, Demko, Boeser, Hischier, and the Hughes brothers. How many coaches have as many chances as Green has with THESE players?

This is not Benning's team anymore. There are only 2 defensemen remaining from Benning's tenure and only 1 bottom six player. While the heavy majority of the core may be from Benning, this is a very different team.

 

I don't think Green was a great coach, but he also takes too much flack. He coached 3 straight Calder finalists so the narrative that he hurts youth doesn't really work. The team never really had scoring problems under Green, but it did have defensive issues. Some of the defensive issues might be on Green, and some on Baumgartner, but the heavy majority falls on Benning. The most consistent thing about Benning's tenure is incompatible defense. The defensive chemistry was horrible almost his entire tenure and through multiple coaches so that's not just on Green.

 

I think Green's biggest struggle when in Vancouver was adjusting his systems after they were solved/when they became stale. Green is still a pretty young coach so I'm interested to see if he's learned in his second kick at the can.

[Coconuts]

Sounds like Ottawa went a ways down the road with Berube but he thought there may have been better setups elsewhere, as per Friedman

 

It sounds like money could have been a thing too, Berube may have cost more than Ottawa wanted to pay 

 

Roughly 8:30 onward

 

https://www.sportsnet.ca/590/jeff-marek-show/

 

He also makes some good points about Green 

[Curmudgeon]

Tanner Pearson, Alex Chiasson, Luke Schenn, Brad Hunt, Tyler Motte, Juho Lammikko, Matthew Highmore, Jason Dickinson, Travis Hamonic, Kyle Burroughs, Tucker Poolman, Jaroslav Halak, Brad Richardson. All of these guys were roster players in Green's last season. Seriously, who could have won anything with that lineup? Coaches always get too much credit when the team wins, and too much blame when they don't. Green was a competent coach who did the best he could with the players Benning signed or trade for. Up to the time COVID threw a monkey wrench into everything, Vancouver was in the mushy middle; not good enough to contend and not bad enough to score a top three draft pick. 

 

In Ottawa, Green is inheriting a team whose top 12 forwards average out at just over 22 years of age (minus dinosaur Claude Giroux, 36) and the top six defencemen average just under 25 years old. He'll have way more to work with in Ottawa than he did in Vancouver. I wish him well and hope that Ottawa makes the playoffs next year.