Mass Shootings/Guns Thread

[Sharpshooter]

1 hour ago, Ryan Strome said:

Oh I fully understand there is. It's just the title of the thread is mass shooting/ gun thread. That's pretty much speaking for itself, that title. 

It was requested to add ‘Gun’ to the original Mass Shootings Title. 
 

I obliged. 
 

I may reverse that decision if it starts becoming about single shootings and not ‘mass’ shooting news. 
 

For now, it’s Mass Shooting news and high profile Gun events. 

[Gurn]

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/1-killed-and-8-wounded-in-shooting-at-pennsylvania-community-center-party/ar-AA1hSgNd?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=c3b883aac8684776b85d175d97204aea&ei=15

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INDIANA, Pa. (AP) — One person was killed and eight were wounded in a shooting during a private party at a Pennsylvania community center early Sunday, authorities said.

State police in Indiana County said troopers, local officers and emergency services responded at 12:35 a.m. Sunday to the shooting at the Chevy Chase Community Center in White Township, about 50 miles (80 kilometers) northeast of Pittsburgh.

Nine people between the ages of 18 and 23 were shot, including a 22-year-old Pittsburgh man who died at the scene, police said. Lt. Col. George Bivens said investigators believe more than one shooter was involved but declined to say how many there were.

“Dozens of gunshots were fired within the confines of the building," said Bivens, acknowledging later that “It may well be that we had a gunfight inside this building." Many fired shell casings and “multiple firearms” had been recovered, along with other evidence such as clothing and cellphones, he said.

Bivens said, however, that officials believe events were “isolated to the attendees at that party” and did not believe the threat was directed at the community at large.

Bivens said police were originally called about midnight about excessive noise coming from the building, and patrol officers were assured that the noise would be turned down. A state police mounted unit was sent to monitor the situation and for crowd control if needed.

 

Upon arrival, mounted unit members heard gunshots inside, called for backup, and then heard more gunshots and saw people fleeing from doors and windows. Some began to aid to injured people “collapsing outside the building,” and others went inside and found more victims, Bivens said. No state police or horses were injured, he said.

Bivens said more than 150 people were believed to be present at the time of the shooting, and the building wasn't particularly large and would have been “very full” at the time. When the shooting began, those inside "exited that building in any way possible,” he said.

“You can imagine the chaos that would ensue from a number of gunshots in a relatively confined space,” he said. “People dove through windows, people ran through doors, ran through porch railings, trying to get away from that scene.”

An 18-year-old man from Chicago was critically injured, and an 18-year-old man from Florida was also among the victims. The others who were shot were all from Pennsylvania: three men ages 19, 20 and 22; two 19-year-old women; and a 23-year-old woman.

The wounded were taken to Indiana Regional Medical Center in Indiana, Pennsylvania; UPMC Presbyterian and UPMC Marcy in Pittsburgh; and Conemaugh Memorial Medical Center in Johnstown. Six remain hospitalized, one critically, while two had been treated and released, police said later Sunday.

[RupertKBD]

https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/national-international/watch-woman-fires-multiple-rounds-in-connecticut-police-station/3121130/

 

This woman was obviously very drunk and very stupid....but I can't help but wonder if she would still be alive, had she been African American, or some other ethnicity other than Caucasian....

[Gurn]

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/us/5-officers-shot-in-east-central-minnesota-suspect-not-in-custody/ar-AA1i6K5q?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=325b72fc346b40f88b50ae411d868cee&ei=12

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PRINCETON, Minn. — Five officers have been shot in Minnesota's Benton County Thursday morning. The suspect is not yet in custody. 

According to the county sheriff's office, the incident occurred near the intersection of 190th Avenue Northeast and Glendorado Road Northeast in Glendorado Township, which is located just west of Princeton.

Officials confirmed with WCCO later that five officers were shot. Three officers are being treated at North Memorial Hospital in Robbinsdale and two others at St. Cloud Hospital. They all have non-life threatening injuries. 

Officials say the suspect is still at the scene, but not yet in custody. The public has been advised to avoid the area.

WCCO crews noted the presence of sheriff's deputies from Benton and Sherburn County, as well as Minnesota State Patrol squads. SWAT vehicles have also been seen at the scene, and there is at least one helicopter monitoring the area.

 

Glendorado Township is located about 60 miles northwest of Minneapolis.

 

Edited October 12, 2023 by Gurn

[NewbieCanuckFan]

Damn....

 

[RupertKBD]

^^^^

 

Reminds me of a question we had on trivia night: "What did JFK and Abraham Lincoln have in common".....

 

I was seriously tempted to say "They both forgot to duck".....

[RupertKBD]

On a much sadder and more serious note:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/16/us/sirantonio-brown-us-gun-deaths-gdpr/index.html

 

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Just months shy of his kindergarten graduation, Sir’Antonio was shot and killed while playing outside his home in Kansas City, Kansas, on May 3, according to police. His family believes his uncle, who also was on the street, was the intended target. Two suspects in the shooting were arrested and charged with second-degree murder, but a third remains at large, according to Kansas City police.

 

Sir’Antonio is one of more than 1,300 children and teens killed by a gun so far in 2023 in the US, according to the Gun Violence Archive. Firearms became the No. 1 killer of children and teens in the US in 2020, surpassing motor vehicle accidents, which had long been the leading cause of death among America’s youth.

 

 

 

[Gurn]

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/five-people-including-shooter-dead-after-shootings-in-sault-ste-marie-police-say/ar-AA1iLyQM?bncnt=BroadcastNews_BreakingNews&ocid=UCPNC2&FORM=BNC001&pc=U531&cvid=84f551b3ddc049589c15fc26a954768f&ei=50

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Five people – including three children and a shooter – were found dead in the northern Ontario city of Sault Ste. Marie after shootings at two homes, police said Tuesday, calling what happened a tragic case of intimate partner violence.

Sault Ste. Marie police said the shootings that took place Monday night had left the community in deep mourning.

"The grief the families, friends, and loved ones of the victims are facing is unimaginable. Our hearts go out to them," Chief Hugh Stevenson wrote in a statement.

"As our community grieves this tragedy, I urge everyone to please watch out for each other."

Police said the shootings were not random acts of violence and there was no ongoing risk to public safety. They also said they would not be releasing the names of the victims or the accused because it was an intimate partner violence case.

Police were alerted to the shootings late Monday night, they said.

Officers first discovered the body of a 41-year-old around 10:20 p.m. after someone called to report a break-and-enter at a home, the force said.

The shooter appeared to have fled and about 10 minutes later, police received another call for someone with a weapon at a home about three kilometres north from the previous residence.

Police said they found three children – aged six, seven and 12 – dead in that second home and a 45-year-old who was injured with a gunshot wound.

They said officers also found the 44-year-old shooter, who appeared to have died after a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

Tyson Jikinosky, who works at an auto repair in the neighbourhood, said there was still a visible police presence in the area on Tuesday morning.

He said he learned of what happened by reading the news and said it came as a shock.

"It's a really, really, really ugly, ugly scenario," he said. "I live a few blocks away. It's pretty small town, so we're all pretty close."

The Algoma District School Board said it was mourning the loss of three students in Sault Ste. Marie.

"The entire Algoma District School Board community is heartbroken," the board's director of education, Lucia Reece, wrote in a statement.

 

"Counsellors and support staff have been put in place at schools impacted by this tragedy ... Our thoughts and prayers are with all who have been affected."

Sault Ste. Marie Mayor Matthew Shoemaker called what happened "an unspeakable tragedy."

"There are no words to adequately address such a tremendous loss," he wrote in a statement.

"I extend our community’s collective condolences and support to the family and loved ones of the victims ... We grieve with them as we try to reckon with this inconceivable act of violence."

The mayor called Sault Ste. Marie a "strong and caring community," and encouraged residents to support each other.

Premier Doug Ford said the news out of Sault Ste. Marie was “gut wrenching.”

“This senseless loss of life has left family, friends and an entire community grieving,” he wrote on X, formerly known as Twitter. “All of Ontario mourns this tragedy.”

 

Police spokesman Lincoln Louttit said investigators had learned more about the shooter through witnesses who came forward.

"It's crucial to the community that we let them know that this tragic event had taken place. But we also need to make sure that the investigation can continue and as as well protect other victims that are involved," Louttit said.

"We're not going to be providing any other details with the investigation at this point."

Officers were at the scene at both homes on Tuesday, police said, and the investigation remained underway.

[Goal_thecup]

On another note, millions of sane people did not shoot at anyone, even if they owned guns.

[Alflives]

1 hour ago, Gurn said:

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/five-people-including-shooter-dead-after-shootings-in-sault-ste-marie-police-say/ar-AA1iLyQM?bncnt=BroadcastNews_BreakingNews&ocid=UCPNC2&FORM=BNC001&pc=U531&cvid=84f551b3ddc049589c15fc26a954768f&ei=50

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Five people – including three children and a shooter – were found dead in the northern Ontario city of Sault Ste. Marie after shootings at two homes, police said Tuesday, calling what happened a tragic case of intimate partner violence.

Sault Ste. Marie police said the shootings that took place Monday night had left the community in deep mourning.

"The grief the families, friends, and loved ones of the victims are facing is unimaginable. Our hearts go out to them," Chief Hugh Stevenson wrote in a statement.

"As our community grieves this tragedy, I urge everyone to please watch out for each other."

Police said the shootings were not random acts of violence and there was no ongoing risk to public safety. They also said they would not be releasing the names of the victims or the accused because it was an intimate partner violence case.

Police were alerted to the shootings late Monday night, they said.

Officers first discovered the body of a 41-year-old around 10:20 p.m. after someone called to report a break-and-enter at a home, the force said.

The shooter appeared to have fled and about 10 minutes later, police received another call for someone with a weapon at a home about three kilometres north from the previous residence.

Police said they found three children – aged six, seven and 12 – dead in that second home and a 45-year-old who was injured with a gunshot wound.

They said officers also found the 44-year-old shooter, who appeared to have died after a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

Tyson Jikinosky, who works at an auto repair in the neighbourhood, said there was still a visible police presence in the area on Tuesday morning.

He said he learned of what happened by reading the news and said it came as a shock.

"It's a really, really, really ugly, ugly scenario," he said. "I live a few blocks away. It's pretty small town, so we're all pretty close."

The Algoma District School Board said it was mourning the loss of three students in Sault Ste. Marie.

"The entire Algoma District School Board community is heartbroken," the board's director of education, Lucia Reece, wrote in a statement.

 

"Counsellors and support staff have been put in place at schools impacted by this tragedy ... Our thoughts and prayers are with all who have been affected."

Sault Ste. Marie Mayor Matthew Shoemaker called what happened "an unspeakable tragedy."

"There are no words to adequately address such a tremendous loss," he wrote in a statement.

"I extend our community’s collective condolences and support to the family and loved ones of the victims ... We grieve with them as we try to reckon with this inconceivable act of violence."

The mayor called Sault Ste. Marie a "strong and caring community," and encouraged residents to support each other.

Premier Doug Ford said the news out of Sault Ste. Marie was “gut wrenching.”

“This senseless loss of life has left family, friends and an entire community grieving,” he wrote on X, formerly known as Twitter. “All of Ontario mourns this tragedy.”

 

Police spokesman Lincoln Louttit said investigators had learned more about the shooter through witnesses who came forward.

"It's crucial to the community that we let them know that this tragic event had taken place. But we also need to make sure that the investigation can continue and as as well protect other victims that are involved," Louttit said.

"We're not going to be providing any other details with the investigation at this point."

Officers were at the scene at both homes on Tuesday, police said, and the investigation remained underway.

Common people don’t need firearms. Only military, police, those who choose to hunt, and some farmers need firearms. There might be some others too, but this idea that anyone who qualifies can own guns is (IMHAO) archaic. 

[Goal_thecup]

1 hour ago, Alflives said:

Common people don’t need firearms. Only military, police, those who choose to hunt, and some farmers need firearms. There might be some others too, but this idea that anyone who qualifies can own guns is (IMHAO) archaic. 

"Common people" don't need beer either, but they use it, and sane people follow the rules which make this socially acceptable and enjoyable.

 

Urban twits are driving the gun control debate because they live in fear of every freaking thing around them, all the time.

If it wasn't for this loud voting block, there could be a reasonable debate, but votes will put (lying, cheating, crooked) politicians in power that know they get the votes from the twits.

 

By the way, lots of people need firearms besides your short list; forest rangers for example, carry sidearms for bears and other predators.

Firemen and ambulance drivers should probably carry them as they are often tasked with going into dangerous situations (full of twits).

 

The screwheads shooting up people are not people who know firearms are tools; they are seriously fucked up nut-jobs.

It is still true that guns do not kill people, people kill people.

[Alflives]

26 minutes ago, Goal_thecup said:

"Common people" don't need beer either, but they use it, and sane people follow the rules which make this socially acceptable and enjoyable.

 

Urban twits are driving the gun control debate because they live in fear of every freaking thing around them, all the time.

If it wasn't for this loud voting block, there could be a reasonable debate, but votes will put (lying, cheating, crooked) politicians in power that know they get the votes from the twits.

 

By the way, lots of people need firearms besides your short list; forest rangers for example, carry sidearms for bears and other predators.

Firemen and ambulance drivers should probably carry them as they are often tasked with going into dangerous situations (full of twits).

 

The screwheads shooting up people are not people who know firearms are tools; they are seriously fucked up nut-jobs.

It is still true that guns do not kill people, people kill people.

And school teachers, at one time, had a firearm close at hand because the schoolhouse might have a bear or other wild critter visit. But times change, and a modern society changes and moves forward.

There is no need for any of the “twits” (as you so kindly refer to urban people) to own a firearm. Just like there’s no reason for rural living people (unless their needing one relates to their job, farm, or hunting) to have firearms either. 
 

[RupertKBD]

49 minutes ago, Goal_thecup said:

"Common people" don't need beer either, but they use it, and sane people follow the rules which make this socially acceptable and enjoyable.

 

What a ridiculous analogy....

 

No child has ever found a beer in an unlocked drawer and accidentally killed a sibling with it.

[Goal_thecup]

A gun in an unlocked drawer is illegal.  Do you need more laws?

Anyway, no changing anyone's mind here; said my piece; cheers.

[Satchmo]

36 minutes ago, Goal_thecup said:

 

Some thoughts on your post:

 

Common people" don't need beer either, but they use it, and sane people follow the rules which make this socially acceptable and enjoyable.

 

Fair enough.

 

Urban twits are driving the gun control debate because they live in fear of every freaking thing around them, all the time.

 

A bit over the top I think.

 

If it wasn't for this loud voting block, there could be a reasonable debate, but votes will put (lying, cheating, crooked) politicians in power that know they get the votes from the twits.

 

Let's also consider the NRA, it's devotees, the politicians who pander to them, and how open to reasonable debate each of those groups are.  And their haste to bring up the most vague and hard to decipher lines in the Constitution to form their argument.

 

By the way, lots of people need firearms besides your short list; forest rangers for example, carry sidearms for bears and other predators.

Firemen and ambulance drivers should probably carry them as they are often tasked with going into dangerous situations (full of twits).

 

Alf did mention in his post  ''There might be some others too'.   You seem to agree.

 

The screwheads shooting up people are not people who know firearms are tools; they are seriously fucked up nut-jobs.

It is still true that guns do not kill people, people kill people.

 

I'm not sure we can really say what screwheads know or don't know.   After all, they are screwheads.  I can agree not only people with guns kill people.  Sometimes they use kitchen knives, hammers,  or some other tool.

 

What I truly believe is that the US suffers from easy access to guns.    There are just so bloody many of them out there and it's so easy for a screwhead to obtain one.   And it seems fairly common that one of the sane tool owners comes down with some kind of 'temporary screwheadedness' and commits a horrible act.

 

[RupertKBD]

1 minute ago, Goal_thecup said:

A gun in an unlocked drawer is illegal.  Do you need more laws?

Anyway, no changing anyone's mind here; said my piece; cheers.

 

In regards to your second sentence, you're absolutely correct.

 

I have zero sympathy for people up in arms (pun intended) because they can't pretend to be Rambo any more....Guns should be used as tools, not toys.

 

 

[Goal_thecup]

25 minutes ago, Alflives said:

And school teachers, at one time, had a firearm close at hand because the schoolhouse might have a bear or other wild critter visit. But times change, and a modern society changes and moves forward.

There is no need for any of the “twits” (as you so kindly refer to urban people) to own a firearm. Just like there’s no reason for rural living people (unless their needing one relates to their job, farm, or hunting) to have firearms either. 
 

Urban twits appear to rural people as those sheeple in the cities that riot and blindly vote for the same politicians albeit with differing party names and the bloc of these grandmotherly, politically correct types see the symptoms of the problem, not the problems themselves, and attempt to solve the symptoms.

Look at the reasons people are rioting and shooting masses of people and try and find solutions to these problems.

By the way, I'm out.  Thanks for the chat.  Cheers.

 

[Goal_thecup]

7 minutes ago, Satchmo said:

Some thoughts on your post:

 

Common people" don't need beer either, but they use it, and sane people follow the rules which make this socially acceptable and enjoyable.

 

Fair enough.

 

Urban twits are driving the gun control debate because they live in fear of every freaking thing around them, all the time.

 

A bit over the top I think.

 

If it wasn't for this loud voting block, there could be a reasonable debate, but votes will put (lying, cheating, crooked) politicians in power that know they get the votes from the twits.

 

Let's also consider the NRA, it's devotees, the politicians who pander to them, and how open to reasonable debate each of those groups are.  And their haste to bring up the most vague and hard to decipher lines in the Constitution to form their argument.

 

By the way, lots of people need firearms besides your short list; forest rangers for example, carry sidearms for bears and other predators.

Firemen and ambulance drivers should probably carry them as they are often tasked with going into dangerous situations (full of twits).

 

Alf did mention in his post  ''There might be some others too'.   You seem to agree.

 

The screwheads shooting up people are not people who know firearms are tools; they are seriously fucked up nut-jobs.

It is still true that guns do not kill people, people kill people.

 

I'm not sure we can really say what screwheads know or don't know.   After all, they are screwheads.  I can agree not only people with guns kill people.  Sometimes they use kitchen knives, hammers,  or some other tool.

 

What I truly believe is that the US suffers from easy access to guns.    There are just so bloody many of them out there and it's so easy for a screwhead to obtain one.   And it seems fairly common that one of the sane tool owners comes down with some kind of 'temporary screwheadedness' and commits a horrible act.

 

Pretty well bang on.

[Satchmo]

1 minute ago, Goal_thecup said:

Pretty well bang on.

Thanks.

 

I'm thinking we are still going to disagree on some stuff though.   And I'm never going to forgive you for calling me an urban twit.

[Goal_thecup]

5 minutes ago, RupertKBD said:

 

In regards to your second sentence, you're absolutely correct.

 

I have zero sympathy for people up in arms (pun intended) because they can't pretend to be Rambo any more....Guns should be used as tools, not toys.

 

 

Yes, yes, yes.  And I agree with some of the new laws addressing the problem not the generally law-abiding, registered gun owner.

Not even 'good citizens' should own assault weapons (without very good reason) and all guns should be registered.

But the police should do their part and check that all guns are registered and any that are not are dealt with immediately and charges laid.

That way, anywhere, somebody has a gun, the police can confirm the registration and stem the illegal trade.

The US is way worse of course.

[Goal_thecup]

4 minutes ago, Satchmo said:

Thanks.

 

I'm thinking we are still going to disagree on some stuff though.   And I'm never going to forgive you for calling me an urban twit.

If you identify as one...

No, I shouldn't have put that in.  I have this funny postcard with two pictures, one after the other.

The first is a bunch of people walking in a circle, holding up signs, which say, "Save the Wolves".

The second is a bunch of wolves, up on their hind legs, walking upright in a circle, holding up signs which say, "Save the Urban Twit".

Comedy is not pretty and I should shut my mouth.

[RupertKBD]

2 minutes ago, Goal_thecup said:

Yes, yes, yes.  And I agree with some of the new laws addressing the problem not the generally law-abiding, registered gun owner.

Not even 'good citizens' should own assault weapons (without very good reason) and all guns should be registered.

But the police should do their part and check that all guns are registered and any that are not are dealt with immediately and charges laid.

That way, anywhere, somebody has a gun, the police can confirm the registration and stem the illegal trade.

The US is way worse of course.

 

Completely agree with this.

 

That's coming from a rural twit, BTW....

[Satchmo]

22 minutes ago, Goal_thecup said:

Yes, yes, yes.  And I agree with some of the new laws addressing the problem not the generally law-abiding, registered gun owner.

Not even 'good citizens' should own assault weapons (without very good reason) and all guns should be registered.

But the police should do their part and check that all guns are registered and any that are not are dealt with immediately and charges laid.

That way, anywhere, somebody has a gun, the police can confirm the registration and stem the illegal trade.

The US is way worse of course.

Maybe we disagree on less stuff than I first thought...

[Sharpshooter]

 

[Sharpshooter]

16 dead, 50-60 injured so far.