occ78 Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 (edited) yes! Kuzmenko is on fire! they got rid of him and this is what they get what a dumb trade everyone in this team is predictable and he was the only player I actually liked watching Edited March 31 by occ78 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
German Canuck Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 3 minutes ago, occ78 said: yes! Kuzmenko is on fire! they got rid of him and this is what they get what a dumb trade everyone in this team is predictable and he was the only player I actually liked watching What a dumb post 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jovocop55 Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 I don’t mind trading kuz. But those 2 dmen and first round pick gonna haunt the canucks for a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
occ78 Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 They don’t have anyone that can replace kuzy on the power play 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PureQuickness Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 40 minutes ago, occ78 said: They don’t have anyone that can replace kuzy on the power play To be fair, Kuzy was fairly one dimensional. Calgary wins the trade FOR SURE, unless Lindholm plays like a beast for us in the playoffs. It's a disappointing trade regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
occ78 Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 12 minutes ago, PureQuickness said: To be fair, Kuzy was fairly one dimensional. Calgary wins the trade FOR SURE, unless Lindholm plays like a beast for us in the playoffs. It's a disappointing trade regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NHL97OneTimer Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 Crikey, Calgary wins the trade but only because they have some young futures that COULD work out. The Canucks lose salary next year at the least which actually could pay bigger dividends through this critical year or two of tight cap. I've read that Hunter's assists were mainly secondary assists on a very good team. Losing him could bite them. Losing the first is a gamble but not a critical issue at this point. Losing Jurmo was going to happen regardless. So the question for me is if losing the ability to turn these assets into something else would have been better than bringing in Lindholm. Let's face it, Lindholm has been decent but not great. He's probably gone and this will all likely result in not moving the needle much either way. But next year the cap space option will be critical, so management has won in that regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 (edited) I'm honestly still not going to judge this trade until we see what happens in the playoffs. That, to me, was the entire point of this trade and the rest of the season leading up to the playoffs is the time for him to adjust. That being said, he obviously hasn't shown the greatest adjustment so far but everyone knows the season can be thrown out the window come playoff time. It's a fresh reset and suddenly more about who's going to step up. Edited April 1 by The Lock 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 6 minutes ago, The Lock said: I'm honestly still not going to judge this trade until we see what happens in the playoffs. That, to me, was the entire point of this trade and the rest of the season leading up to the playoffs is the time for him to adjust. That being said, he obviously hasn't shown the greatest adjustment so far but everyone knows the season can be thrown out the window come playoff time. It's a fresh reset and suddenly more about who's going to step up. it seems to be injury related. Hopefully its something that can heal by the start of round 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 Just now, Bob Long said: it seems to be injury related. Hopefully its something that can heal by the start of round 1. True, and that's certainly what I'm hoping for as well; however, even if he comes in let's say round 2 or beyond, there's a good chance someone's going to be injured by then just due to the nature of the playoffs. Is that necessarily a bad thing either? Now obviously, this is all dependent on us getting out of the 1st round and perhaps he's the factor we need to do so, but if we make it out of round 1 without him and he is indeed that factor jumping in round 2... that's a pretty good thing as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain insano Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 This trade was more than Lindholm, might be the difference to letting Joshua walk or having to trade garland for cap reasons in the summer, Kuzmenko offensively is playing well and good for him he was never going to be a fit playing one end of the ice for tocchet 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 8 minutes ago, Captain insano said: This trade was more than Lindholm, might be the difference to letting Joshua walk or having to trade garland for cap reasons in the summer, Kuzmenko offensively is playing well and good for him he was never going to be a fit playing one end of the ice for tocchet Yep, Kuzmenko was clearly never going to be a fit here under Tocchet. Ultimately we shouldn't have re-signed him until finding out if Tocchet likes him but we re-signed him just 4 days after the Tocchet hiring. It was still pretty clear early on though that he wasn't going to be Tocchet's favorite and we probably should have traded him last trade deadline when his value was highest. Even with his two year extension, a 40 goal pace forward at cap hit below $1M should have brought back at minimum a 1st and solid prospect. At the end of the day though we either cleared $5.5M in cap space to help re-sign our defensemen this summer or we replaced Kuzmenko with a player that fits our system better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 On 4/1/2024 at 10:41 AM, Diamonds said: Yep, Kuzmenko was clearly never going to be a fit here under Tocchet. Ultimately we shouldn't have re-signed him until finding out if Tocchet likes him but we re-signed him just 4 days after the Tocchet hiring. It was still pretty clear early on though that he wasn't going to be Tocchet's favorite and we probably should have traded him last trade deadline when his value was highest. Even with his two year extension, a 40 goal pace forward at cap hit below $1M should have brought back at minimum a 1st and solid prospect. At the end of the day though we either cleared $5.5M in cap space to help re-sign our defensemen this summer or we replaced Kuzmenko with a player that fits our system better. missed an opportunity to get some value back for Kuzmenko, probably could've gotten some youth returning. The trade is looking worse by the day. Lindholm's productivity since being acquired hasn't been good. He hasn't performed offensively, but has been good defensively when he's healthy, and that's not looking great at the moment either. He may not even dress for the Canucks in the postseason. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 On 4/1/2024 at 10:25 AM, Captain insano said: This trade was more than Lindholm, might be the difference to letting Joshua walk or having to trade garland for cap reasons in the summer, Kuzmenko offensively is playing well and good for him he was never going to be a fit playing one end of the ice for tocchet yes, that's true Kuz probably wasn't going to be a fit here. But we lost a good offensive player (albeit couldn't play under Tocchet's defensive system). But Petey needs some offensive wingers I think for his own offensive potential to be unlocked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coryberg Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 On 3/30/2024 at 9:41 PM, jovocop55 said: I don’t mind trading kuz. But those 2 dmen and first round pick gonna haunt the canucks for a long time. Lol Joni Jurmo is haunting you? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coryberg Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 1 hour ago, N4ZZY said: missed an opportunity to get some value back for Kuzmenko, probably could've gotten some youth returning. The trade is looking worse by the day. Lindholm's productivity since being acquired hasn't been good. He hasn't performed offensively, but has been good defensively when he's healthy, and that's not looking great at the moment either. He may not even dress for the Canucks in the postseason. He is traveling with the team on this road trip. He will be back before the playoffs begin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 On 3/30/2024 at 10:44 PM, PureQuickness said: To be fair, Kuzy was fairly one dimensional. Calgary wins the trade FOR SURE, unless Lindholm plays like a beast for us in the playoffs. It's a disappointing trade regardless. not sure how Calgary wins the trade if Lindholm is a beast in the playoffs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 17 hours ago, Coryberg said: Lol Joni Jurmo is haunting you? Maybe he's upset about the guy scared Mark Friedman is keeping him from playing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
occ78 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 Lol Calgary robbed Vancouver 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 You guys do realize Kuzy's shooting % is through the roof again in CGY right? It's not sustainable. Even with that shooting % he's only on a 35 goal and 55 point pace. When he regresses back to a normal shooting %, he will likely be a 20 to 25 goal guy and 45ish points. Pretty much the same pace he was on with Vancouver until he was traded. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baratheon Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 3 minutes ago, HKSR said: You guys do realize Kuzy's shooting % is through the roof again in CGY right? It's not sustainable. Even with that shooting % he's only on a 35 goal and 55 point pace. When he regresses back to a normal shooting %, he will likely be a 20 to 25 goal guy and 45ish points. Pretty much the same pace he was on with Vancouver until he was traded. I might end up wishing that we had our pick back. Not Kuzy though! Lol We took a chance on him and it didn't work out. Is what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 At the end of the day we paid a 1st and 2 prospect and 1 year of cap dump for a 3rd 4th liner center that’s great defensively.. not sure how you can view that as positive. I mean that’s the role RT have lindholm playing anyways when he’s healthy. I don’t think kuzmenko would have cost much to trade in the summer. At least not what we had to give up to move him. This was the case of going after the big shiny object when we clearly don’t have a need for it. The Canucks were fine defensively and down the middle with bluegar suter aman and whoever else they had no need to get a lindholm and try to move ep or him off to the wing. They needed a top 6 winger bad but they decided to trade for a top 6 center and hope one of the center can play wing. If they were dumping that kind of package.. might as well went for a d like hanafin instead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 1 hour ago, wai_lai416 said: At the end of the day we paid a 1st and 2 prospect and 1 year of cap dump for a 3rd 4th liner center that’s great defensively.. not sure how you can view that as positive. I mean that’s the role RT have lindholm playing anyways when he’s healthy. I don’t think kuzmenko would have cost much to trade in the summer. At least not what we had to give up to move him. This was the case of going after the big shiny object when we clearly don’t have a need for it. The Canucks were fine defensively and down the middle with bluegar suter aman and whoever else they had no need to get a lindholm and try to move ep or him off to the wing. They needed a top 6 winger bad but they decided to trade for a top 6 center and hope one of the center can play wing. If they were dumping that kind of package.. might as well went for a d like hanafin instead Lindholm is elite defensively. Was runner up for the Selke. He’s probably our best defensive forward. Those come at a premium. Also, those are the types of players that you need to win the cup. We had Kelser in 2011. Linden was a best in 1994. With Lindholm you can move Blueger to 4C where he belongs. And have an elite 4th line. Yes, we are short a top 6 winger, but if we went after Guentzel or Toffoli we wouldn’t have that elite shutdown 3C for the playoffs. We got Lindholm for the playoffs. We didn’t get him for the regular season. So his value hasn’t been established yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 18 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Lindholm is elite defensively. Was runner up for the Selke. He’s probably our best defensive forward. Those come at a premium. Also, those are the types of players that you need to win the cup. We had Kelser in 2011. Linden was a best in 1994. With Lindholm you can move Blueger to 4C where he belongs. And have an elite 4th line. Yes, we are short a top 6 winger, but if we went after Guentzel or Toffoli we wouldn’t have that elite shutdown 3C for the playoffs. We got Lindholm for the playoffs. We didn’t get him for the regular season. So his value hasn’t been established yet. that's a massive price to pay for a "3C" again the bluegar joshua garland line was doing fine and bluegar was doing fine in that "3C" role... why change something that is working? the garland line was basically dominating other team.. so they decide to add something to change it up? or they want to force either EP lindholm or miller to play wing? if that's the case then again should have gotten a winger instead of forcing players to play out of their position. sure we got lindholm for the "playoff" but if he's playing 3c 4c in the playoff.. that's a massive L.. coulda found an actual 3c 4c for much cheaper.. right now almost every all the lines ain't working because of all the tinkering Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 (edited) 6 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said: that's a massive price to pay for a "3C" again the bluegar joshua garland line was doing fine and bluegar was doing fine in that "3C" role... why change something that is working? the garland line was basically dominating other team.. so they decide to add something to change it up? or they want to force either EP lindholm or miller to play wing? if that's the case then again should have gotten a winger instead of forcing players to play out of their position. sure we got lindholm for the "playoff" but if he's playing 3c 4c in the playoff.. that's a massive L.. coulda found an actual 3c 4c for much cheaper.. right now almost every all the lines ain't working because of all the tinkering Blueger isn’t an elite 3C. He was even scratched last playoffs with Vegas. Blueger is an elite 4C, which is where he will be for the playoffs. We also needed a right shot centre. Kesler was a right shot. So was Linden. Yes, we paid a high price for a 3C. But Lindholm is an elite 3C. The best in the NHL as he’s really a 2C on a lot of teams. Sure, we could have traded for Nic Dowd. But Dowd is a massive downgrade on Lindholm. Also, Lindholm is effective on the PP. so he will show his value there as well. And he is an elite PK’er and one of the best faceoff guys in the NHL. People are really underestimating Lindholm’s value come playoff time. I think alot of people are going to be proven wrong and have egg on their face. Edited April 4 by Elias Pettersson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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