Hamas attacking Israel

[Optimist Prime]

When my wife was on staff and then teaching at the Royal Military College she helped to curate an, i guess, coffee table book of historical photos surrounding the Zulu wars in Southern Africa. We scoured thousands of these kinds of photo's and I always find them of historical interest, a picture is worth a thousand words they say.

 

This is the Black Watch in the trenches June 1918 on Brown Ridge after the actions at Arsuf. (north of Tel Aviv on the Mediterranean coastline)

To me it is neat to see the second dude back; i have a picture a friend took of me setting up an explosive tripwire somewhere on earth and my cigarrette is held in the exact fashion in my chapped lips. (yes in hindsight, that does sound suicidal) "the more things change the more they stay the same". I have been nicotiene free for over a decade now! I also find it interesting that the 'ghost images' of two apparent cavalry officers are in the foreground, some error in the photo equipment or method gives the illusion of these tiny shadows in the bottom of the image. POssibly they are from two photos sticking together over time and separated before digitalization? Shrug, interesting to see though. 

[NewbieCanuckFan]

 

 

[Playoff Beered]

2 hours ago, Optimist Prime said:

Middle East 1871

 

Middle east 1914

 

2 hours ago, Optimist Prime said:

middle east 1960

 

 

 

Edited October 19, 2023 by Playoff Beered

[Calamity K]

Sarah Silverman trended...then deleted it claiming she was drunk. I believe this was the post.

 

[Odd.]

31 minutes ago, Calamity K said:

Sarah Silverman trended...then deleted it claiming she was drunk. I believe this was the post.

 

Billions of dollars huh. Don’t know if their homemade 50 year old explosives reeks “billions” of dollars of expensive artillery.

[NewbieCanuckFan]

2 minutes ago, Odd. said:

Billions of dollars huh. Don’t know if their homemade 50 year old explosives reeks “billions” of dollars of expensive artillery.

I'd suggest she should stick to comedy but she's not funny imho.

[Elias Pettersson]

 

[Coconuts]

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/9/10/meta-deletes-al-jazeera-presenters-profile-after-show-criticising-israel

 

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/oct/18/instagram-palestine-posts-censorship-accusations

 

https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/10/08/israel/palestine-facebook-censors-discussion-rights-issues

 

https://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/eu-demands-meta-and-tiktok-detail-efforts-to-curb-disinformation-from-israel-hamas-war-1.6607985

 

 

 

 

[Coconuts]

Hard to know what's what with so much floating around and rising tensions everywhere 

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/19/what-hit-ahli-hospital-in-gaza

Edited October 19, 2023 by Coconuts

[Coconuts]

EU's inquiries regarding Meta and Tiktok are a follow up to their asking X/Twitter

 

https://apnews.com/article/musk-x-twitter-disinformation-israel-hamas-024fedcc43e9446ff1103253e239ce85

Edited October 19, 2023 by Coconuts

[bishopshodan]

6 minutes ago, Coconuts said:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/19/what-hit-ahli-hospital-in-gaza

 

That video is pretty interesting, to say the least. 

[Coconuts]

4 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

 

That video is pretty interesting, to say the least. 

 

It is, although admittedly the Meta censorship bits are of more interest to me as I deliberately follow certain accounts to give me a wider view of what's going on around the world. 

 

I've been following a number of middle eastern focused instagram accounts for a while, well before the events of this thread, and lately I've seen many of them complaining about their reach, being shadowbanned, and so on. 

 

Obviously with the new Canadian law regarding news and whatnot what I can access via social media is inhibited sometimes, but there are workarounds. 

 

Social media is a powerful news source, consider how many posts in this thread and the current/former Ukraine threads have been fueled by twitter/x posts for example. 

Edited October 19, 2023 by Coconuts

[Optimist Prime]

2 hours ago, Calamity K said:

Sarah Silverman trended...then deleted it claiming she was drunk. I believe this was the post.

 

I don't disagree largely with the tweet, but someone whose living depends on public perception will certainly want to lead with publicly acceptable narratives. Drunk vs sober actions wold support this, lol.

[bishopshodan]

24 minutes ago, Coconuts said:

 

It is, although admittedly the Meta censorship bits are of more interest to me as I deliberately follow certain accounts to give me a wider view of what's going on around the world. 

 

I've been following a number of middle eastern focused instagram accounts for a while, well before the events of this thread, and lately I've seen many of them complaining about their reach, being shadowbanned, and so on. 

 

Obviously with the new Canadian law regarding news and whatnot what I can access via social media is inhibited sometimes, but there are workarounds. 

 

Social media is a powerful news source, consider how many posts in this thread and the current/former Ukraine threads have been fueled by twitter/x posts for example. 

 

Actaully this is a moment for me to thank great posters like yourself.

 

I have never had any other SM than these Canucks sites. So what I have done is, after many years of reading posts,  come to trust some of the posters. Like an intel group. I see it that I have a fantastic resource of smart people that will read, post, and analyse. I learn a lot. There are so many posters from so many walks of life. Some of them have really cool jobs or really cool experiences. We have had thick skin for the most part and debated in good faith, attacking the idea is something that most can handle. 

 

Anyway, you are one of my 'group of trusted posters' that I pay attention to when here. You have great humour but also as bright as they come. Thanks Nuts.

 

Go Canucks. 

Edited October 19, 2023 by bishopshodan
I was going to make a list of great posters to me, as mentioned in my opening line, but didn't want to leave anyone out. I bet you know who you are though, thanks.

[Playoff Beered]

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 19, 2023 by Playoff Beered

[Satchmo]

16 minutes ago, Coconuts said:

Social media is a powerful news source, consider how many posts in this thread and the current/former Ukraine threads have been fueled by twitter/x posts for example. 

I find myself agreeing and disagreeing at the same time.

 

I am very grateful to the people who have posted tweets that have been the first source of interesting and pertinent information.

 

I also know I have seen many tweets that just turn out to be completely or partially untrue.

 

Still, please keep it up everybody.   I truly appreciate it.  

[RomanPer]

31 minutes ago, Coconuts said:

Hard to know what's what with so much floating around and rising tensions everywhere 

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/19/what-hit-ahli-hospital-in-gaza

 

Watched the video. I'm not sure how they can claim that their "investigation" confirms that it was Israeli strike. They show non-stop video without any evidence of any rocket flying to the target, it's completely dark after the rocket intercept. Israeli rocket strike would have visual confirmation, which there's none. Yet, they make conclusions. I think they misunderstood - hiring someone with British accent to deliver the text doesn't make it suddenly more believable.

[Bob Long]

33 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

 

That video is pretty interesting, to say the least. 

 

it is, but it still doesn't really clear up where the blast came from. So if we take it on face value, we're still back to wondering where the bombing initiated. 

[bishopshodan]

8 minutes ago, RomanPer said:

 

Watched the video. I'm not sure how they can claim that their "investigation" confirms that it was Israeli strike. They show non-stop video without any evidence of any rocket flying to the target, it's completely dark after the rocket intercept. Israeli rocket strike would have visual confirmation, which there's none. Yet, they make conclusions. I think they misunderstood - hiring someone with British accent to deliver the text doesn't make it suddenly more believable.

I would have to watch it again...I know they did lead to the idea that the final 'strike' they showed was what hit the hospital, implying Isreal, but i dont remember them saying it confirms that it was Isreal

I thought they were just trying to say it was not likely a rocket from Hamas.

Edited October 19, 2023 by bishopshodan

[bishopshodan]

Just now, Bob Long said:

 

it is, but it still doesn't really clear up where the blast came from. So if we take it on face value, we're still back to wondering where the bombing initiated. 

yes.

I just typed my thoughts to Roman...

 

I feel a little like there are eggshells on the floor of this thread...I'll watch my words..

[Bob Long]

7 minutes ago, RomanPer said:

 

Watched the video. I'm not sure how they can claim that their "investigation" confirms that it was Israeli strike. They show non-stop video without any evidence of any rocket flying to the target, it's completely dark after the rocket intercept. Israeli rocket strike would have visual confirmation, which there's none. Yet, they make conclusions. I think they misunderstood - hiring someone with British accent to deliver the text doesn't make it suddenly more believable.

 

thats what I noticed as well, there's no claim of where the blast came from, just saying that the Israeli side doesn't have the supporting video.

 

We need to wait and see what the US evidence is. Its possible that there was no video angle from the ground that proves or disproves anything. 

[Coconuts]

9 minutes ago, RomanPer said:

 

Watched the video. I'm not sure how they can claim that their "investigation" confirms that it was Israeli strike. They show non-stop video without any evidence of any rocket flying to the target, it's completely dark after the rocket intercept. Israeli rocket strike would have visual confirmation, which there's none. Yet, they make conclusions. I think they misunderstood - hiring someone with British accent to deliver the text doesn't make it suddenly more believable.

 

I'm pretty sure that was my first post in relation to whatever happened at the hospital, although I did read folks going around in circles over it. I'm not interested in going around in circles with anyone over it, if other folks want to they can fill their boots. 

 

That was one of a few different links I shared, this thread is for discussion and resources and I was providing them. Al Jazeera has been presented in this thread as being credible, so I shared it. 

 

I'm sure we'll find out more as time goes on. 

[King Heffy]

3 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

yes.

I just typed my thoughts to Roman...

 

I feel a little like there are eggshells on the floor of this thread...I'll watch my words..

I do feel like it's being moderated a little more strictly than CDC.  I can't say I mind, but it's hard to know exactly where that line is initially.

[Bob Long]

3 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

yes.

I just typed my thoughts to Roman...

 

I feel a little like there are eggshells on the floor of this thread...I'll watch my words..

 

we just have to wait to see what all the available evidence is.

 

Everyone is supposed to have instant outrage at everything now. Its an interesting video, but also not based on all the evidence yet. Not sure what it really does as we don't know the full extent of the info available yet. 

[bishopshodan]

14 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

Everyone is supposed to have instant outrage at everything now. Its an interesting video, but also not based on all the evidence yet. Not sure what it really does as we don't know the full extent of the info available yet. 

 

Not me. Though I admit to getting fiesty about casual convos regarding killing of innocents.

 

I said what you did, that it was an interesting video. That's all.

 

In fact it got me thinking more about them lasers....damn Isreal, those things are dope...sure you dont have any on a satellite? California is curious...

Edited October 19, 2023 by bishopshodan