N4ZZY Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 22 hours ago, DeNiro said: Because he’s small. Thats all it is. If Boeser had Garland’s motor and snarl he’d be a hell of a player. This is one of the things I hate about hockey. I know it's a physical sport, but there is such a huge bias on small players. I mean, I think that's ice age slowly changing. If you don't look at Garland's size, he's actually a pretty decent player on a contract I can't even say is that bad. Just under 5M for a guy who produces 45-50, maybe 55 points? That's not bad. I wish he was given a legitimate chance to show that he can contribute and play and be defensively sound. If he can do all those things - shouldn't he play - regardless of his stature? Size, and then where the person is from is the two things I dislike about hockey. In years past, it's always "We need more Canadian players for physicality" because you know, the idea behind a statement like that, is that European players are "soft". Well, we had a Canadian captain, before he was traded, and he rarely threw a hit. We have a towering defenseman who is also Canadian, and he isn't as physical as he should be. That narrative that Europeans are soft, or any other player besides Canadians, can't play a physical brand of hockey needs to begin to shift, and eventually die. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 22 hours ago, DeNiro said: If Boeser had Garland’s motor and snarl he’d be a hell of a player. Unfortunately, Brock doesn't have Garland's wheels, or snarl. But he's a decent player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 Question is, do any of CBJ's guys add any value to our team over Irwin, Hirose and Rathbone, and is that value more than the cost of them? I'm disappointed in how quickly we sent Hirose, Irwin and Rathbone down. They must have been pretty poor in training and Tocchet must want them to develop a bit more. As for Irwin, it's a shame he didn't stick - he played 60+ games for Washington last year but surely he must be too slow and not able to pass too well to not even make it to the later rounds of cuts. That leaves us a bit suspect on the back-end if we get hit with injuries, and we already have been. Juulsen has been good but does he crack any playoff roster? Same could be said for Myers. With Soucy injured, we're looking at a bottom 6 of Cole - Myers and what... Brisebois - Juulsen? We could certainly use an NHL defenceman who can play 18-20 minutes. CBJ has plenty. They're not flashy, they're not great, they're certainly not Pesce/Hanifin calibre but they'll get the job done in our bottom-4. I'd take Peeke, Bean, Boqvist or Blakenberg, let them decide who they don't want. Then comes the cost - Garland is obviously not going anywhere but Beauvillier carries some value with his cap and age and maybe he has more up-side than Garland these days. We'd surely have to add, I'd like to think Beauvillier + mid-round pick would get it done or Beau + Rathbone but wouldn't give more than a 2nd alongside Beauvillier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure10Kuzmenko96 Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 9 minutes ago, DownUndaCanuck said: Question is, do any of CBJ's guys add any value to our team over Irwin, Hirose and Rathbone, and is that value more than the cost of them? I'm disappointed in how quickly we sent Hirose, Irwin and Rathbone down. They must have been pretty poor in training and Tocchet must want them to develop a bit more. As for Irwin, it's a shame he didn't stick - he played 60+ games for Washington last year but surely he must be too slow and not able to pass too well to not even make it to the later rounds of cuts. That leaves us a bit suspect on the back-end if we get hit with injuries, and we already have been. Juulsen has been good but does he crack any playoff roster? Same could be said for Myers. With Soucy injured, we're looking at a bottom 6 of Cole - Myers and what... Brisebois - Juulsen? We could certainly use an NHL defenceman who can play 18-20 minutes. CBJ has plenty. They're not flashy, they're not great, they're certainly not Pesce/Hanifin calibre but they'll get the job done in our bottom-4. I'd take Peeke, Bean, Boqvist or Blakenberg, let them decide who they don't want. Then comes the cost - Garland is obviously not going anywhere but Beauvillier carries some value with his cap and age and maybe he has more up-side than Garland these days. We'd surely have to add, I'd like to think Beauvillier + mid-round pick would get it done or Beau + Rathbone but wouldn't give more than a 2nd alongside Beauvillier. Hirose was recalled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tower102 Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 23 hours ago, N4ZZY said: So why does he get such vitrial criticism? Because our fanbase is brutal, and our media is worse. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 And what a difference a day makes, 8-1 win with Garland scoring first, and Boeser scoring 4. Sure, we did play with Hirose and Juulsen in the lineup so could still use more depth, but it sounds like Soucy will be back soon. I wouldn't give up a lot just to help Columbus. If they can make the deal worthwhile, there is an option there though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 Wonder if a Podkolzin or hoglander trade to Columbus for a rhd would work? Ceulmans might be available but they want to move an NHL rhd I assume. Dont know enough about Columbus's situation or how certain prospects have developed since drafted Jiricek ain't happening so maybe the next young rhd might be available... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemon Face Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 9 minutes ago, Viking said: Wonder if a Podkolzin or hoglander trade to Columbus for a rhd would work? Ceulmans might be available but they want to move an NHL rhd I assume. Dont know enough about Columbus's situation or how certain prospects have developed since drafted Jiricek ain't happening so maybe the next young rhd might be available... Pekke and we are good to go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 11 minutes ago, Lemon Face said: Pekke and we are good to go He is ideal but what would the cost be? Garland alone ain't gonna get him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemon Face Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 Just now, Viking said: He is ideal but what would the cost be? Garland alone ain't gonna get him We have few healthy bodies coming back.One youngster with Garland maybe do magic Just now, Lemon Face said: We have few healthy bodies coming back.One youngster with Garland maybe do magic Colombus also have problem.Lack of forwards and extra defencmen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoop Hogg Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 On 10/11/2023 at 11:00 AM, Bure10Kuzmenko96 said: Hirose was recalled I wish Irwin would have been recalled for the rematch against Edmonton, in case things get out of hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpyone Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 On 10/10/2023 at 12:50 PM, Goal_thecup said: Peeke plus more if they take both Garland and Beauvillier and to make cap work and to add value to the return; maybe Corson Ceulemans? (Please.) Retention available on Beauvillier as he only has one year left. Jack Roslovic (26yrs; C/RW) has one year left at $4.00m, then he's UFA; CBJ not happy with him. One year tryout; could be motivated to do well for his upcoming UFA status. CBJ has $3m room; VCR has none. From Vancouver: Garland ($4.95m 3yrs remaining) Beauvillier ($4.15/yrs remaining) Rathbone ($0.85m 1 yr remaining) then RFA Total $99.500m To Vancouver: Roslovic $4.00m 1 yr remaining then UFA Peeke $2.75m 3 yrs remaining then UFA Ceulemans $.975m 3yrs remaining ELC Plus CBJ's 3rd round pick, CBJ-owned LA's 3rd round pick, or CBJ's 5rd round pick. Total $10.425m GO AHEAD. FLAME AWAY. I'm never any good at this, lol. sorry, but your math don't add up right 1 minute ago, grumpyone said: sorry, but your math don't add up right From Vancouver: Garland ($4.95m 3yrs remaining) Beauvillier ($4.15/yrs remaining) Rathbone ($0.85m 1 yr remaining) then RFA Total $99.500m ---- should be $9.95 ( only slipped your decimal point ) To Vancouver: Roslovic $4.00m 1 yr remaining then UFA Peeke $2.75m 3 yrs remaining then UFA Ceulemans $.975m 3yrs remaining ELC Plus CBJ's 3rd round pick, CBJ-owned LA's 3rd round pick, or CBJ's 5rd round pick. Total $10.425---- should be $7.725 ( not sure where the extra $2.7 came from ) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal_thecup Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 29 minutes ago, grumpyone said: sorry, but your math don't add up right From Vancouver: Garland ($4.95m 3yrs remaining) Beauvillier ($4.15/yrs remaining) Rathbone ($0.85m 1 yr remaining) then RFA Total $99.500m ---- should be $9.95 ( only slipped your decimal point ) To Vancouver: Roslovic $4.00m 1 yr remaining then UFA Peeke $2.75m 3 yrs remaining then UFA Ceulemans $.975m 3yrs remaining ELC Plus CBJ's 3rd round pick, CBJ-owned LA's 3rd round pick, or CBJ's 5rd round pick. Total $10.425---- should be $7.725 ( not sure where the extra $2.7 came from ) Thanks. What do you think of the rest of the proposal (without all the math mistakes)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 38 minutes ago, grumpyone said: sorry, but your math don't add up right From Vancouver: Garland ($4.95m 3yrs remaining) Beauvillier ($4.15/yrs remaining) Rathbone ($0.85m 1 yr remaining) then RFA Total $99.500m ---- should be $9.95 ( only slipped your decimal point ) To Vancouver: Roslovic $4.00m 1 yr remaining then UFA Peeke $2.75m 3 yrs remaining then UFA Ceulemans $.975m 3yrs remaining ELC Plus CBJ's 3rd round pick, CBJ-owned LA's 3rd round pick, or CBJ's 5rd round pick. Total $10.425---- should be $7.725 ( not sure where the extra $2.7 came from ) Well I’d easily do this, but I also view Beauvillier as a negative asset. He’s new more expensive Tanner Pearson. Paid like a 2nd liner but should only be playing on your 3rd line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 3 hours ago, Viking said: He is ideal but what would the cost be? Garland alone ain't gonna get him Garland + Rathbone...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 2 hours ago, Snoop Hogg said: I wish Irwin would have been recalled for the rematch against Edmonton, in case things get out of hand. He isn’t exactly a tough guy but I would sure rather him answer the bell than Hirose. They are really limited due to it being an emergency call up situation. They must really expect Mikheyev really soon rather than throwing him in LTIR for the start of the season. The team still needs to shed some cap so we can actually have full rosters and not be screwed by short term injuries. Maybe Garland has a really strong start and some team has an injury or realizes they need a hole filled and we could get an actual return without retaining salary or taking a bad contract back. Garland from Arizona had actual value around the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 On 10/10/2023 at 1:16 PM, Coconuts said: It'd be funny if it wound up being Gudbranson coming back for a second stint and not Peeke A straight across swap with Guddy's NTC being the only potential hiccup His wife was a dentist in Vancouver - if she's still here I can see it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpyone Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 2 hours ago, Goal_thecup said: Thanks. What do you think of the rest of the proposal (without all the math mistakes)? I don't mind it, but I don't think they would . I think they might only include 1 draft pick, not two. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 Werenski just took a nasty leg hit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 Knee on knee werenski hit by Hathaway Werenski is on the ice in pain.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick_theRyper Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 Watching the Columbus game and wondering if it's worth the injury history risk with Boquist, if there's a trade for Garland-package there I think it would be worth it personally. I don't think they're looking to move Peeke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Bob Long said: His wife was a dentist in Vancouver - if she's still here I can see it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duke Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 I see zero reason to try and land Boqvist and if the Jackets wanted Garland they had months to make that happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Lou Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 Boqvist is redudent another small offensive minded D... Gubranson God no hahaha. Peeke or Jiricek is all I'd want just my two cents. On a side note drives me nuts how everyone includes Rathbone on every proposal on this forum...like he's some awesome D... guys an offensive minded D who can't play defense... career AHL guy. His ceiling being generous is a 6 or 7 fringe player. Once again just my take. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 On 10/10/2023 at 7:18 AM, DrJockitch said: For D CDC first looks at height, then weight then where they are from. After those then counting numbers. CDC scouting rarely gets past that. Sure helped last night. Hronek Cole Myers worked pretty good against McFly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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